New "ironclad" Stadium deal reached

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Who are the corrupt locals asking for some of this pie?

Most politicians are corrupt I’m using that loosely .. Not the common people politicians and lobbyists

 

They’re all trying to get in on the deal

 

"Every resident of Erie County, and in fact, every taxpayer in New York state is an investor in the stadium so we all have a stake in this deal. It’s public money, it’s public land and we all have a right to a seat at the table," said Ó Súilleabháin.

 

We all have a right at the table

 

Every group and lobbyist is trying to get in at the table

Edited March 17 by Buffalo716

[Mr. WEO]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Most politicians are corrupt I’m using that loosely .. Not the common people politicians and lobbyists

 

They’re all trying to get in on the deal

 

"Responding to the suggestion that the Bills would have a hard time moving, a Pegula Sports Entertainment spokesman told The Post: “Relocation could have been a very real possibility if the governor had not worked so hard to get everyone to the table.”"

 

“I know that they are a very valuable asset,” she said. “For them to be in a market as small as Buffalo is rather extraordinary, and I don’t take that for granted. That’s why I have to work out a deal that is beneficial to them, knowing that there is other competition out there. I’m aware of that, and it is something that I lie awake and think about sometimes.”

Hochul referred to reports from last summer describing the possibility that the Bills could move to a larger market if a stadium deal doesn’t happen.

“There are other cities that were making at least a play for the Bills, and I’m very cognizant of that,” Hochul said.

 

"A message left with Gov. Kathy Hochul, who is from Buffalo, was not immediately returned. On Monday, her office released a statement to The AP, which read, “no one is more committed to keeping the Bills in Buffalo” than Hochul, and that details will be shared once negotiations are completed."

[Buffalo716]

7 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

"Responding to the suggestion that the Bills would have a hard time moving, a Pegula Sports Entertainment spokesman told The Post: “Relocation could have been a very real possibility if the governor had not worked so hard to get everyone to the table.”"

 

“I know that they are a very valuable asset,” she said. “For them to be in a market as small as Buffalo is rather extraordinary, and I don’t take that for granted. That’s why I have to work out a deal that is beneficial to them, knowing that there is other competition out there. I’m aware of that, and it is something that I lie awake and think about sometimes.”

Hochul referred to reports from last summer describing the possibility that the Bills could move to a larger market if a stadium deal doesn’t happen.

“There are other cities that were making at least a play for the Bills, and I’m very cognizant of that,” Hochul said.

 

"A message left with Gov. Kathy Hochul, who is from Buffalo, was not immediately returned. On Monday, her office released a statement to The AP, which read, “no one is more committed to keeping the Bills in Buffalo” than Hochul, and that details will be shared once negotiations are completed."

Notice the language they use

 

Could have been a possibility… If a stadium deal wasn’t agreed-upon

 

Of course we were going to leave if we didn’t get a new stadium … They’ve been saying this for 20 years

 

the stadium was to keep the bills in Buffalo… It’s not a threat if Pegula sports state the obvious…. If we don’t get a Stadium someone else will pay for one

 

That’s been a known fact for 20+ years… We build the stadium or lose the bills

 

I would rather pay more in taxes and keep the bills

 

 

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

And if we’re just speculating Then I’m pretty sure Terry would sell to somebody who would keep them in Buffalo 

 

Seeing his legacy is tied in Buffalo

 

And there’s a lot of corrupt lobbyists who want their piece of the pie in the stadium… That’s absolutely a fact

They’re trying to drain every last penny out of the state and county for their own needs, Not related to a football stadium

 

But since they’re getting 700 million for a football stadium they want their slice of the pie

 

That's fair, and if in fact he were trying to sell the team, he's first have to find such a buyer. 

 

Remember, if we didn't already have a team, Buffalo wouldn't make the short list for expansion or a move. 

 

As you imply above, all most people care about is money first and foremost.  That slide that the Pegula's put up at whichever organizational meeting they had, did not indicate otherwise.  

 

I think that finding a buyer for an eager seller without a place to play may be a bit of a tough sell.  

 

We'll see, let's hope they break ground in June after all this nonsense and then this all amounts to nothing but worthless back and forth.  🙂

 

Not gonna say that it's not concerning though.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

 

Could have been a possibility… If a stadium deal wasn’t agreed-upon

 

 

 

the stadium was to keep the bills in Buffalo… It’s not a threat if Pegula sports state the obvious…. If we don’t get a Stadium someone else will pay for one

 

That’s been a known fact for 20+ years… We build the stadium or lose the bills

 

 

 

 

lol....

 

That was easier than I thought.

 

[I am leaving for good]

Can the new Buffalo Bills Stadium host a Buffalo Major League Cricket franchise? Or a Buffalo Major League Rugby franchise or is Buffalo to broke? If the answer is Buffalo is too broke or Buffalo isn’t capable of anything new than that new Buffalo Bills stadium is going to be as useless as the old Buffalo Bills Highmark Stadium in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

Edited March 18 by Buffalo Super Fan

[JoPoy88]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

Can the new Buffalo Bills Stadium host a Buffalo Major League Cricket franchise? Or a Buffalo Major League Rugby franchise or is Buffalo to broke? If the answer is Buffalo is too broke or Buffalo isn’t capable of anything new than that new Buffalo Bills stadium is going to be as useless as the old Buffalo Bills Highmark Stadium in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

I don’t really know what the question here is. No, the new stadium is just going to be a football stadium that will host some high school championships and a few concerts a year. So what.

 

if they built a covered stadium in downtown Buffalo for $2B+, plus got another $2B+ for necessary infrastructure improvements to put it down there, it would still be a football stadium that hosts some high school championships and a few concerts a year.

[LeGOATski]

16 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

I don’t really know what the question here is. No, the new stadium is just going to be a football stadium that will host some high school championships and a few concerts a year. So what.

 

if they built a covered stadium in downtown Buffalo for $2B+, plus got another $2B+ for necessary infrastructure improvements to put it down there, it would still be a football stadium that hosts some high school championships and a few concerts a year.

Yeah, the point is to build a football stadium to play football in. This is useless for some people, I guess.

[JoPoy88]

8 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

Yeah, the point is to build a football stadium to play football in. This is useless for some people, I guess.

apparently so. Makes no sense to me. Atlanta as a city didn’t improve because they got rid of the Georgia Dome and built a new stadium that looks like a giant metal anus from the sky. And since that was built, still no one cares about the Falcons. And Atlanta is still Atlanta, which Buffalo will never be. It made zero impact on the team popularity or the city as a whole. 

Edited March 18 by JoPoy88

[mrags]

8 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

apparently so. Makes no sense to me. Atlanta as a city didn’t improve because they got rid of the Georgia Dome and built a new stadium that looks like a giant metal anus from the sky. And since that was built, still no one cares about the Falcons. And Atlanta is still Atlanta, which Buffalo will never be. It made zero impact on the team popularity or the city as a whole. 

The difference is, Atlanta already had a stadium in that location. You got rid of one for another one. The Bills play in no where Orchard Park. Not downtown Buffalo. A city in need of something. A city that is currently growing in some aspects. But at the same time losing population. Creating a stadium downtown with not just the stadium but other attractions like bars, restaurants, a hotel maybe, some shopping maybe. Creating a corridor of things to do in that area would have only been good for the area. Instead you’re building another stadium in the same spot, in the middle of nowhere OP. That’s why there’s no benefits moving forward. They aren’t going to build new hotels in OP, and likely the 5 bars and restaurants in the immediate area will continue to be there and continue to be as small minded as they’ve been for the last 40+ years. 

[brianthomas]

11 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Yeah, the point is to build a football stadium to play football in. This is useless for some people, I guess.

Not useless but narrow in its focus or in its vision. Banks are collapsing, taxpayer dollars are a valuable commodity.

It'd be nice to try to maximize that investment & benefit to the community at large & not just to a franchise.

Sure we as fans can say we benefit because the team is here, maybe a handful of bars along the way do too. But financially we're the customers buying their BILLS product. So we're using tax payer dollars just for the right to be customers. I think its fair that some people have an opinion on where their money goes & i think many would just have preferred we set the bar a little higher with our plan if we were going to spend this much.

 

For the cost & after decades of debating alternate stadium locations & their potential impacts to our region, in the end we went with a smaller version of the same thing right next to the old one. Maybe some people just dont understand or care but it just seems like a failure of imagination & a colossal missed opportunity for an area lacking much of either.

It just makes sense you dont spend close to $2 billion on a building you only use 10 times a year... in an area thats not known for its great economy. I mean that makes sense right? I think for many thats what it comes down to.

[brianthomas]

5 hours ago, mrags said:

The difference is, Atlanta already had a stadium in that location. You got rid of one for another one. The Bills play in no where Orchard Park. Not downtown Buffalo. A city in need of something. A city that is currently growing in some aspects. But at the same time losing population. Creating a stadium downtown with not just the stadium but other attractions like bars, restaurants, a hotel maybe, some shopping maybe. Creating a corridor of things to do in that area would have only been good for the area. Instead you’re building another stadium in the same spot, in the middle of nowhere OP. That’s why there’s no benefits moving forward. They aren’t going to build new hotels in OP, and likely the 5 bars and restaurants in the immediate area will continue to be there and continue to be as small minded as they’ve been for the last 40+ years. 

I know here in Buffalo for decades i've heard of the need for a new & larger convention center & the economic boon to the city we'd get if larger conventions could be held here. I'm no engineer or developmental planner but integrating the 2 concepts together could've been a wonderful opportunity. Isn't that what they did with the AT&T Stadium in Dallas? They use it to bring in big events during the off-season which in-turn brings in millions in revenue each year? Not just to the stadium itself, but to all the local hotels & businesses now booked due to the influx of visitors? What a great idea or concept! Wish we would've thought of it.

Its just 1 example of the contrast between smart forward thinking planning & whatever we had.

[Buffalo716]

15 minutes ago, brianthomas said:

Not useless but narrow in its focus or in its vision. Banks are collapsing, taxpayer dollars are a valuable commodity.

It'd be nice to try to maximize that investment & benefit to the community at large & not just to a franchise.

Sure we as fans can say we benefit because the team is here, maybe a handful of bars along the way do too. But financially we're the customers buying their BILLS product. So we're using tax payer dollars just for the right to be customers. I think its fair that some people have an opinion on where their money goes & i think many would just have preferred we set the bar a little higher with our plan if we were going to spend this much.

 

For the cost & after decades of debating alternate stadium locations & their potential impacts to our region, in the end we went with a smaller version of the same thing right next to the old one. Maybe some people just dont understand or care but it just seems like a failure of imagination & a colossal missed opportunity for an area lacking much of either.

It just makes sense you dont spend close to $2 billion on a building you only use 10 times a year... in an area thats not known for its great economy. I mean that makes sense right? I think for many thats what it comes down to.

Every single stadium study ever done has shown a football stadium does not do much for a local economy

 

The study the bills did, Said the stadium will bring in as much money as a new target

 

Would a new target in Orchard Park change the scope of Western New York? No

Edited March 18 by Buffalo716

[mrags]

18 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Every single stadium study ever done has shown a football stadium does not do much for a local economy

 

The study the bills did, Said the stadium will bring in as much money as a new target

 

Would a new target in Orchard Park change the scope of Western New York? No

The point is, that all studies show building new stadiums where stadiums already exist. The point is we’re talking about building a stadium in an area where there is not one now. It would absolutely create jobs, opportunities, businesses, restaurants, hotels, additional future opportunities as well. Where as a new stadium right where the old one was that has a lit 6 bars and restaurants around it does absolutely nothing for the area. 
 

for the purpose of getting a new stadium, and keeping the team here, we have the right idea. For the betterment of the area, this stadium does nothing. 

[LeGOATski]

2 hours ago, brianthomas said:

Not useless but narrow in its focus or in its vision. Banks are collapsing, taxpayer dollars are a valuable commodity.

It'd be nice to try to maximize that investment & benefit to the community at large & not just to a franchise.

Sure we as fans can say we benefit because the team is here, maybe a handful of bars along the way do too. But financially we're the customers buying their BILLS product. So we're using tax payer dollars just for the right to be customers. I think its fair that some people have an opinion on where their money goes & i think many would just have preferred we set the bar a little higher with our plan if we were going to spend this much.

 

For the cost & after decades of debating alternate stadium locations & their potential impacts to our region, in the end we went with a smaller version of the same thing right next to the old one. Maybe some people just dont understand or care but it just seems like a failure of imagination & a colossal missed opportunity for an area lacking much of either.

It just makes sense you dont spend close to $2 billion on a building you only use 10 times a year... in an area thats not known for its great economy. I mean that makes sense right? I think for many thats what it comes down to.

They're actually doing the most fiscally responsible thing. The Pegulas saved western NY politicians from themselves because paying triple the amount for a downtown domed stadium would do nothing for the economy and at the same time would ruin the football experience that Bills fans love.

[LeGOATski]

2 hours ago, mrags said:

The point is, that all studies show building new stadiums where stadiums already exist. The point is we’re talking about building a stadium in an area where there is not one now. It would absolutely create jobs, opportunities, businesses, restaurants, hotels, additional future opportunities as well. Where as a new stadium right where the old one was that has a lit 6 bars and restaurants around it does absolutely nothing for the area. 
 

for the purpose of getting a new stadium, and keeping the team here, we have the right idea. For the betterment of the area, this stadium does nothing. 

You have it backwards. There needs to be opportunity there BEFORE a stadium is built. If there was opportunity there, other businesses would already be investing in the area. There would already be people in the area. It's not an if-you-build-it-they-will-come scenario. A new football stadium wouldn't suddenly attract people back to the region.

 

Instead of a big expensive building barely being used out in the suburbs, you'd have an even bigger, more expensive building barely being used downtown. Oh, and on top of that, the football/tailgating experience would suck now too.

 

Some people think "drop a stadium downtown and now Buffalo will be like Nashville!" and that is just wishful thinking.

 

Nashville was Nashville first. LA was LA first. Atlanta was Atlanta first. The Twin Cities was the Twin Cities first. These places were not built by NFL stadiums. As such, Buffalo will not be built by an NFL stadium. 

[mrags]

35 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

You have it backwards. There needs to be opportunity there BEFORE a stadium is built. If there was opportunity there, other businesses would already be investing in the area. There would already be people in the area. It's not an if-you-build-it-they-will-come scenario. A new football stadium wouldn't suddenly attract people back to the region.

 

Instead of a big expensive building barely being used out in the suburbs, you'd have an even bigger, more expensive building barely being used downtown. Oh, and on top of that, the football/tailgating experience would suck now too.

 

Some people think "drop a stadium downtown and now Buffalo will be like Nashville!" and that is just wishful thinking.

 

Nashville was Nashville first. LA was LA first. Atlanta was Atlanta first. The Twin Cities was the Twin Cities first. These places were not built by NFL stadiums. As such, Buffalo will not be built by an NFL stadium. 

Are you from the area? Have you not noticed all the things that have been going on downtown in the last few years? Canalsode, all the breweries, restaurants, bars, etc. 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

1 hour ago, LeGOATski said:

They're actually doing the most fiscally responsible thing. The Pegulas saved western NY politicians from themselves because paying triple the amount for a downtown domed stadium would do nothing for the economy and at the same time would ruin the football experience that Bills fans love.

 

That's just flat out not true. The extra money spent on infrastructure is needed anyway. It would be a way to get the state to invest in Buffalo rather than downstate for once.

 

Oh well, I'll probably never go back after this past Christmas' storm. Making my family come to me from now on.

[JoPoy88]

19 minutes ago, mrags said:

Are you from the area? Have you not noticed all the things that have been going on downtown in the last few years? Canalsode, all the breweries, restaurants, bars, etc. 

 

And a football stadium that’s used a dozen times a year down there is that much more additive to these current developments? No, it’s not. And hordes of suburbanites are not going to trek into downtown to eat on a random Thursday just because they can see the stadium from the window.

[mrags]

1 hour ago, JoPoy88 said:

 

And a football stadium that’s used a dozen times a year down there is that much more additive to these current developments? No, it’s not. And hordes of suburbanites are not going to trek into downtown to eat on a random Thursday just because they can see the stadium from the window.

The point is, if the stadium was built downtown there would be plenty of other businesses and hotels popping up in an area that is already up and coming vs a suburban area that will not, nor will it ever progress.