Buffalo716 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Pegula threatened to move the team if he didn't get this stadium built for him... There is 1000 junk articles with no verifiable sources Give me one verifiable link from Terry Pegula where he threatened to move the bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: There is 1000 junk articles with no verifiable sources Give me one verifiable link from Terry Pegula where he threatened to move the bills This was quoted everywhere at the time: "The Pegulas have made a proposal," PSE spokesperson Jim Wilkinson said in mid-August, per Marlee Tuskes of Buffalo's WIVB Channel 4. "They would like to build it right there [in Orchard Park], and we need to hear back. You can't really do plans and designs on things until you have a deal, and right now the City of Buffalo and the state are going to have to decide if they want a team." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: This was quoted everywhere at the time: "The Pegulas have made a proposal," PSE spokesperson Jim Wilkinson said in mid-August, per Marlee Tuskes of Buffalo's WIVB Channel 4. "They would like to build it right there [in Orchard Park], and we need to hear back. You can't really do plans and designs on things until you have a deal, and right now the City of Buffalo and the state are going to have to decide if they want a team." That’s not threatening to move the team Lol Like Ralph… He’s saying the city and state have to pay… They need to decide how much they want the bills… Pegula basically said I WANT IT in Orchard Park… Now it’s your turn to show how much you want it Where does it say I will move the team? Terry wasn’t paying for the stadium majority… Neither did Ralph…. The city and state needed to decide how much they wanted the bills If they want the bills , pay for the stadium… That is still not saying give me my stadium or I’m leaving Because he never said I will leave That’s Called playing hardball…. That is absolutely not a threat to leave because he never said the words leave he Put it on the state and city Edited March 17 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Just now, Buffalo716 said: That’s not threatening to move the team Lol Where does it say I will move the team? Terry wasn’t paying for the stadium majority… Neither did Ralph…. The city and state needed to decide how much they wanted the bills If they want the bills , pay for the stadium… That is still not saying give me my stadium or I’m leaving Because he never said I will leave That’s Called playing hardball…. That is absolutely not a threat to leave because he never said the words leave Well everyone who read that as a "hardball" tactic--but it is clearly a threat. He didn't say: "the City and State have to decide how much of the tab they are going to pick up for this new stadium"----he said they need to decide whether they even "want a team" in Buffalo. What would not having a team look like? Why would he even bring up "wanting a team" in Buffalo if there was no chance they ever move? This isn't as hard as you are pretending to make it. The guy said what he said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RG Murdock Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Fabulous News!!!!! Bills were almost gone a half dozen times at least. Be nice to have a stadium with super-wide concourses, where your also protected from the cold and wind. Decent food restaurants, and giant restrooms, Fabulous giant sized 4K high definition video screens. Welcome to the NFL Bills fans... If not for the legend of the Bills mafia, they'd be long gone!!!.... And the Pegulas and Ralph of course as well.. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Well everyone who read that as a "hardball" tactic--but it is clearly a threat. He didn't say: "the City and State have to decide how much of the tab they are going to pick up for this new stadium"----he said they need to decide whether they even "want a team" in Buffalo. What would not having a team look like? Why would he even bring up "wanting a team" in Buffalo if there was no chance they ever move? This isn't as hard as you are pretending to make it. The guy said what he said. He never threatened to move the bills At most you could call it veiled…. Which is completely different than being out right threatening to move the bills… He’s not wrong when he said the city and state need to decide how much they want the bills… That’s perfectly reasonable Because He wasn’t footing the bill…. So absolutely the state and city needed to decide how much they want the bills… They can pay and keep them…. Or someone will build them a stadium That’s just a fact it’s not a threat You can cry and think he was threatening you , it’s called a business move… leverage Edited March 17 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 31 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: He never threatened to move the bills At most you could call it veiled…. Which is completely different than being out right threatening to move the bills… He’s not wrong when he said the city and state need to decide how much they want the bills… That’s perfectly reasonable Because He wasn’t footing the bill…. So absolutely the state and city needed to decide how much they want the bills… They can pay and keep them…. Or someone will build them a stadium That’s just a fact it’s not a threat You can cry and think he was threatening you , it’s called a business move… leverage It’s interesting, I read it more like he’s saying they needed to decide how much they wanted it in the City of Buffalo (downtown) versus in the State at large…thus Orchard Park Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 (edited) 3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: It’s interesting, I read it more like he’s saying they needed to decide how much they wanted it in the City of Buffalo (downtown) versus in the State at large…thus Orchard Park You can also read it like that which is perfectly acceptable And that makes a lot of sense The stadium downtown would’ve been close to $1 billion more after infrastructure changes…The state and city would’ve needed to foot a lot more Edited March 17 by Buffalo716 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: There is 1000 junk articles with no verifiable sources Give me one verifiable link from Terry Pegula where he threatened to move the bills Well, for starters, Kim is on record as stating that they couldn't afford a stadium because they had a lifestyle to maintain. That was in fact said by her. It was nested in an article(s) way back at the onset of this. It may have been only one, I don't know, but just like 30 articles all stating the same thing go up after we sign a player, so too it got around. They've made it clear that it was a passive threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 6 minutes ago, PBF81 said: Well, for starters, Kim is on record as stating that they couldn't afford a stadium because they had a lifestyle to maintain. That was in fact said by her. It was nested in an article(s) way back at the onset of this. It may have been only one, I don't know, but just like 30 articles all stating the same thing go up after we sign a player, so too it got around. They've made it clear that it was a passive threat. As already mentioned 1000 times Ralph Wilson did not pay for the stadium… It is owned by the county a precedent Was set Terry tied up most of his liquid assets in purchasing the bills… It was always well known that the county and state would have to pay most of the stadium Reiterating that is not a threat There is not one fortune 500 company in Buffalo… Not one fortune 500 company And Terry Pegula does not own the current stadium… Just like Ralph Doesn’t own it He showed how much he wanted the bills by paying over $1 billion for them… His commitment to Buffalo is clear with the Ownership of all three teams Telling the county and state it’s your time to show how much you want to team is not a threat… Because they had to pony up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: He never threatened to move the bills At most you could call it veiled…. Which is completely different than being out right threatening to move the bills… He’s not wrong when he said the city and state need to decide how much they want the bills… That’s perfectly reasonable Because He wasn’t footing the bill…. So absolutely the state and city needed to decide how much they want the bills… They can pay and keep them…. Or someone will build them a stadium That’s just a fact it’s not a threat You can cry and think he was threatening you , it’s called a business move… leverage meant the Bills…how? Why would he ask that? Of course Buffalo wants the Bills. If it’s not a threat to move the team then how does it act as “hardball” “business move” ? It is, as you have finally come around to, a veiled threat….to love the team. PSE put that out there unprompted. He didn’t say “The Bills will never leave Buffalo. Let’s work this out”. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Just now, Mr. WEO said: meant the Bills…how? Why would he ask that? Of course Buffalo wants the Bills. If it’s not a threat to move the team then how does it act as “hardball” “business move” ? It is, as you have finally come around to, a veiled threat….to love the team. PSE put that out there unprompted. He didn’t say “The Bills will never leave Buffalo. Let’s work this out”. A Veiled threat It’s completely different than a real threat Hence the separate definition It’s to make the state get in gear… It’s not serious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: He never threatened to move the bills At most you could call it veiled…. Which is completely different than being out right threatening to move the bills… He’s not wrong when he said the city and state need to decide how much they want the bills… That’s perfectly reasonable Because He wasn’t footing the bill…. So absolutely the state and city needed to decide how much they want the bills… They can pay and keep them…. Or someone will build them a stadium That’s just a fact it’s not a threat You can cry and think he was threatening you , it’s called a business move… leverage Here's an article about three years ago, referencing the aforementioned. The exact quote was somewhere, but if you're handy with Google I'm sure you can fid it if you really want to. Also, these are statements based upon people that met with the Pegulas for varying reasons. Read between the lines. It's not like they're going to come right out and say, either the state and county pony up or we're moving the team elsewhere. How stupid would that be on their part. If you don't like this source there were dozens of others, probably the BN too. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2887710-report-bills-owner-kim-pegula-talked-budget-cuts-sought-to-maintain-lifestyle Here's one of her exact quotes from a BN piece; “I don’t even know if we can get there,” the team’s co-owner told The Buffalo News while attending the NFL spring meeting. “I know fans in Buffalo don’t want higher ticket prices, they don’t want PSLs (personal seat licenses). The state doesn’t want to give you any money, the city doesn’t ... We don’t have a billion-and-a-half dollars sitting around. We used it to buy the team.” That's from this piece three years ago; https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/kim-pegula-on-new-bills-stadium-i-dont-even-know-if-we-can-get-there/article_c577fdb3-66dc-51ae-adee-eb4031f9de0f.html And here's an interesting piece that doesn't exactly paint the Pegulas out to be George Bailey; https://theathletic.com/1758235/2020/04/20/as-pegulas-face-business-challenges-employees-describe-a-toxic-culture-at-pse/ Here's a page from their presentation that clearly depicts the Bills as being subservient to the things above it. Do with it as you like, not trying to stir up trouble, but any notions that the Pegulas would bend over backwards to keep this team in Buffalo were outdated at least three years ago. It's beyond clear that their own financial (and other) interests in the matter supercede those of the Bills, their fans, the state, or county. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 (edited) 3 minutes ago, PBF81 said: Here's an article about three years ago, referencing the aforementioned. The exact quote was somewhere, but if you're handy with Google I'm sure you can fid it if you really want to. Also, these are statements based upon people that met with the Pegulas for varying reasons. Read between the lines. It's not like they're going to come right out and say, either the state and county pony up or we're moving the team elsewhere. How stupid would that be on their part. If you don't like this source there were dozens of others, probably the BN too. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2887710-report-bills-owner-kim-pegula-talked-budget-cuts-sought-to-maintain-lifestyle Here's one of her exact quotes from a BN piece; “I don’t even know if we can get there,” the team’s co-owner told The Buffalo News while attending the NFL spring meeting. “I know fans in Buffalo don’t want higher ticket prices, they don’t want PSLs (personal seat licenses). The state doesn’t want to give you any money, the city doesn’t ... We don’t have a billion-and-a-half dollars sitting around. We used it to buy the team.” That's from this piece three years ago; https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/kim-pegula-on-new-bills-stadium-i-dont-even-know-if-we-can-get-there/article_c577fdb3-66dc-51ae-adee-eb4031f9de0f.html And here's an interesting piece that doesn't exactly paint the Pegulas out to be George Bailey; https://theathletic.com/1758235/2020/04/20/as-pegulas-face-business-challenges-employees-describe-a-toxic-culture-at-pse/ Here's a page from their presentation that clearly depicts the Bills as being subservient to the things above it. Do with it as you like, not trying to stir up trouble, but any notions that the Pegulas would bend over backwards to keep this team in Buffalo were outdated at least three years ago. It's beyond clear that their own financial (and other) interests in the matter supercede those of the Bills, their fans, the state, or county. There’s been plenty of owners who threaten things without having to read between the lines If I have to read between the lines it’s not a real threat And they would never be able to keep the Sabres if they sold the bills… It would be mutiny in Buffalo And Terry’s not selling his beloved Sabres Edited March 17 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: meant the Bills…how? Why would he ask that? Of course Buffalo wants the Bills. If it’s not a threat to move the team then how does it act as “hardball” “business move” ? It is, as you have finally come around to, a veiled threat….to love the team. PSE put that out there unprompted. He didn’t say “The Bills will never leave Buffalo. Let’s work this out”. And where is he now? His stone silence in all of this is concerning. Here's what he did say, he did say that he was not extending the current lease at Rich until a formal agreement was signed for a new stadium. Here's the rub, all of the articles in the meantime have plainly stated that the lease extensions would be a series of 1-year extensions. So sign one already for just one year. How long can they push this without a lease going into the fall? Have they worked it out behind the scenes that on such and such a date one will be signed regardless? Who knows. I'm not saying that it's not getting done, but there sure is a lot of weird stuff going on a few months before training camps begin, and what, about 4 months before preseason games begin. You know how many times we've heard "next 30 days" about finalizing things. We were told that this was "Iron-clad" a year ago, a year, and they're still bickering with each other now over who's fault that it is that it hasn't been done already. Then they tell us that there's a meeting for "final approval" but then after the meeting they say that it still has to go through other approvals. Then it wasn't final, was it. LOL 6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: There’s been plenty of owners who threaten things without having to read between the lines If I have to read between the lines it’s not a real threat And they would never be able to keep the Sabres if they sold the bills… It would be mutiny in Buffalo And Terry’s not selling his beloved Sabres BTW, not arguing with you, just providing info that you claim didn't exist. You say "his beloved Sabres," but here's the rub, Kim meant the world to him. Terry's no spring chicken, that's why he was happy to have her run the team. But that's not possible anymore. At the end of the day neither you, I, nor anyone else but him knows what he's thinking. He wouldn't be the first person in history to cash it all in over a spouse's condition. Again, not arguing, I myself and somewhere between perplexed and concerned about the entire thing. It's taken way longer than they said. Not sure you remember, but originally they said that they wanted to break ground during this past season. Then it was March, now it's June. We're pushing a year here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 (edited) 54 minutes ago, PBF81 said: And where is he now? His stone silence in all of this is concerning. Here's what he did say, he did say that he was not extending the current lease at Rich until a formal agreement was signed for a new stadium. Here's the rub, all of the articles in the meantime have plainly stated that the lease extensions would be a series of 1-year extensions. So sign one already for just one year. How long can they push this without a lease going into the fall? Have they worked it out behind the scenes that on such and such a date one will be signed regardless? Who knows. I'm not saying that it's not getting done, but there sure is a lot of weird stuff going on a few months before training camps begin, and what, about 4 months before preseason games begin. You know how many times we've heard "next 30 days" about finalizing things. We were told that this was "Iron-clad" a year ago, a year, and they're still bickering with each other now over who's fault that it is that it hasn't been done already. Then they tell us that there's a meeting for "final approval" but then after the meeting they say that it still has to go through other approvals. Then it wasn't final, was it. LOL BTW, not arguing with you, just providing info that you claim didn't exist. You say "his beloved Sabres," but here's the rub, Kim meant the world to him. Terry's no spring chicken, that's why he was happy to have her run the team. But that's not possible anymore. At the end of the day neither you, I, nor anyone else but him knows what he's thinking. He wouldn't be the first person in history to cash it all in over a spouse's condition. Again, not arguing, I myself and somewhere between perplexed and concerned about the entire thing. It's taken way longer than they said. Not sure you remember, but originally they said that they wanted to break ground during this past season. Then it was March, now it's June. We're pushing a year here. And if we’re just speculating Then I’m pretty sure Terry would sell to somebody who would keep them in Buffalo Seeing his legacy is tied in Buffalo And there’s a lot of corrupt lobbyists who want their piece of the pie in the stadium… That’s absolutely a fact They’re trying to drain every last penny out of the state and county for their own needs, Not related to a football stadium But since they’re getting 700 million for a football stadium they want their slice of the pie Edited March 17 by Buffalo716 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am leaving for good Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: He never threatened to move the bills At most you could call it veiled…. Which is completely different than being out right threatening to move the bills… He’s not wrong when he said the city and state need to decide how much they want the bills… That’s perfectly reasonable Because He wasn’t footing the bill…. So absolutely the state and city needed to decide how much they want the bills… They can pay and keep them…. Or someone will build them a stadium That’s just a fact it’s not a threat You can cry and think he was threatening you , it’s called a business move… leverage His lawyers did it’s semantics without the new stadium the Buffalo Bills were going to look elsewhere. Did that mean the Buffalo Bills were definitely gone maybe, maybe not depending on if there was another sucker city willing to give Terry Pegula public money like Erie County and New York State did. Bottom line Terry Pegula is never going to be popular in Western New York after taking the public money of $850 million dollars. That is part of the deal he is a big boy Terry Pegula knows that and he doesn’t need to have Buffalo Bills fans all to like him. I am a Buffalo Bills fan I don’t like Terry Pegula. I think Buffalo fans have it wrong on this preferring Terry Pegula over Kim Pegula. I am the opposite I like Kim Pegula over Terry Pegula. Terry Pegula is a terrible public speaker and at times cringe worthy some of the phony stuff he does and says starting with the first press conference when he bought the Buffalo Sabres crying with the French Connection seemed phony. Kim Pegula was the one I had some belief in and unfortunately with her health issues we aren’t likely to see her putting her stamp on the Buffalo sports teams anymore which is disappointing. Maybe one of the children will take over someday but Terry “Howard Hughes Like” Pegula is a public relations disaster no more phony crying no more Stanley Cup promises. You promise something then you tank you lose credibility in Buffalo in my opinion. Go Bills! Go Sabres! Let’s Go Buffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 29 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: And if we’re just speculating Then I’m pretty sure Terry would sell to somebody who would keep them in Buffalo Seeing his legacy is tied in Buffalo And there’s a lot of corrupt locals who want their piece of the pie in the stadium… That’s absolutely a fact They’re trying to drain every last penny out of the state and county for their own needs, Not related to a football stadium But since they’re getting 700 million for a football stadium they want their slice of the pie What piece of the pie are they getting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: What piece of the pie are they getting? You Talk about all the reports about Terry threatening to leave Yet you’ve never seen the reports of all the local community groups trying to get a hold of part of that public money? "Every resident of Erie County, and in fact, every taxpayer in New York state is an investor in the stadium so we all have a stake in this deal. It’s public money, it’s public land and we all have a right to a seat at the table," said Ó Súilleabháin. Executive Director Of the partnership for public good Lots of lobbyists are trying to touch the money Edited March 17 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: You Talk about all the reports about Terry threatening to leave Yet you’ve never seen the reports of all the local community groups trying to get a hold of part of that public money? Who are the corrupt locals asking for some of this pie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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