Bob Jones Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 5 minutes ago, FieldGeneral said: What's the point in arguing about roof/no roof or downtown/OP? The plans are what they are, they aren't changing. Construction worker here. Theoretically, until the foundation is in the ground, anything & everything *could* be changed. Yes, it doesn’t seem likely here, but it's not impossible. Of course, as with most everything, it's all about the $$$. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 3 minutes ago, Bob Jones said: Construction worker here. Theoretically, until the foundation is in the ground, anything & everything *could* be changed. Yes, it doesn’t seem likely here, but it's not impossible. Of course, as with most everything, it's all about the $$$. The Bills have the most powerful person in NY on their side. They aren't going anywhere except into their new stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 16 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: I live in Buffalo too. I’ve also lived in Boston. No one complained about the stadium in Foxborough, beyond the obvious complaints about traffic. Especially when they were winning all the time, everything was cool. Didn’t they build like an entire city center around Gillette? You’ll have to excise me because I’ve never been there but looking at their website it says there’s 19 restaurants, shopping, nightlife, bowling, top golf, movies, etc the 2 aren’t the same. Sounds like there’s more to do at Patriot Place campus than all of Orchard Park combined. 16 hours ago, LeGOATski said: This is a prime example of a false perspective that maybe a lot of people share, which leads to unrealistic expectations. Start in the east and you have 5 teams right off the bat: Patriots, Giants/Jets, Washington, Bills 5 stadiums all in the suburbs and that's not even looking at the rest of the NFL. Off the top of my head I know Arizona and GB (obviously) are in suburbs. Isn't Cowboys stadium in Arlington? That's 8.... Should we keep going? 16 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Still going because I got curious. Levi Stadium is in North San Jose, not even in San Francisco... Chicago is planning to build there's in the suburbs Arrowhead is outside of the East Side suburbs. Definitely not downtown. Houston is definitely not downtown, but relatively short jaunt down the highway, so that seems nice.... The Chargers in San Diego and Raiders in Oakland were out in the suburbs until they moved to huge cities. But let's not forget that the Chargers don't even have they're own stadium now. Lol. Every single one of those “suburbs” has probably 3x as many people as all of downtown Buffalo. They aren’t the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 9 hours ago, FieldGeneral said: What's the point in arguing about roof/no roof or downtown/OP? The plans are what they are, they aren't changing. Because this is a message board and that’s what we do? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 (edited) 30 minutes ago, mrags said: Didn’t they build like an entire city center around Gillette? You’ll have to excise me because I’ve never been there but looking at their website it says there’s 19 restaurants, shopping, nightlife, bowling, top golf, movies, etc the 2 aren’t the same. Sounds like there’s more to do at Patriot Place campus than all of Orchard Park combined. Lol. Every single one of those “suburbs” has probably 3x as many people as all of downtown Buffalo. They aren’t the same. Ummm Kansas City has 500000k And their stadium is 100% not downtown seeing I was there last season Buffalo has 280, 000 people in the city …. And another 300,000* in the surrounding suburbs… well over 1,000,000 metro Absolutely not 3x less than the city of KC lol… In fact… Kansas City smelled, Food was overrated The people were the only good thing Rather be in Buffalo Edited March 21 by Buffalo716 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 17 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Ummm Kansas City has 500000k And their stadium is 100% not downtown seeing I was there last season Buffalo has 280, 000 people in the city …. And another 300,000* in the surrounding suburbs… well over 1,000,000 metro Absolutely not 3x less than the city of KC lol… In fact… Kansas City smelled, Food was overrated The people were the only good thing Rather be in Buffalo Ok. So there’s one off that list. By the way, I never brought up Kansas City. But since I had to look it up. It’s listed as having surrounding areas of over 1.7m in population. So, still pretty much 75% more than Buffalo and it’s surrounding areas. Giants and Jets play in a metropolis compared to Orchard Park and are only a 20 minute drive to Manhattan with access to 20m in population in the New York metro area. ever been to Santa Clara? I have multiple times. It’s 15 minutes from San Jose which has a population of 1.8m. And 45 minutes from San Francisco and Oakland with a population of over 1.4m between them. It’s in the middle of Silicon Valley which is like the 10th largest areas in the US. There’s not a single area of downtown Buffalo that could compete with any of it. Regardless of having their own stadium or not, the Chargers now reside in LA where the Rams built the biggest and baddest stadium that will likely ever be in the NFL. Even split up between the 2 teams they come in way over what any other stadium has. never been to Arlington but I’d imagine it’s similar in that even the suburbs are larger, and more populated than downtown Buffalo. Oh, just checked. According to wiki it’s over 300k. And it’s smack dab in the middle of Fort Worth (1m) and Dallas (6m+) FedEx Field? It’s a 25min drive from Washington DC. With a population of almost 1m. Arizona? Glendale itself has a population of 250k. But let’s not kid ourselves, the stadium is located in Maricopa County which boasts a population of over 4.4m between Phoenix, Tempe, Scottsdale, and Mesa. again, I didn’t bring these places up. Yes they are in suburbs, but let’s be real here, most of the “suburbs” are larger than Downtown Buffalo, if you throw in surrounding areas to the mix, Buffalo likely doesn’t even belong in the league with almost every team in the league. screw it, let’s just sell the team. I’m sick of arguing about this. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 5 minutes ago, mrags said: Ok. So there’s one off that list. By the way, I never brought up Kansas City. But since I had to look it up. It’s listed as having surrounding areas of over 1.7m in population. So, still pretty much 75% more than Buffalo and it’s surrounding areas. Giants and Jets play in a metropolis compared to Orchard Park and are only a 20 minute drive to Manhattan with access to 20m in population in the New York metro area. ever been to Santa Clara? I have multiple times. It’s 15 minutes from San Jose which has a population of 1.8m. And 45 minutes from San Francisco and Oakland with a population of over 1.4m between them. It’s in the middle of Silicon Valley which is like the 10th largest areas in the US. There’s not a single area of downtown Buffalo that could compete with any of it. Regardless of having their own stadium or not, the Chargers now reside in LA where the Rams built the biggest and baddest stadium that will likely ever be in the NFL. Even split up between the 2 teams they come in way over what any other stadium has. never been to Arlington but I’d imagine it’s similar in that even the suburbs are larger, and more populated than downtown Buffalo. Oh, just checked. According to wiki it’s over 300k. And it’s smack dab in the middle of Fort Worth (1m) and Dallas (6m+) FedEx Field? It’s a 25min drive from Washington DC. With a population of almost 1m. Arizona? Glendale itself has a population of 250k. But let’s not kid ourselves, the stadium is located in Maricopa County which boasts a population of over 4.4m between Phoenix, Tempe, Scottsdale, and Mesa. again, I didn’t bring these places up. Yes they are in suburbs, but let’s be real here, most of the “suburbs” are larger than Downtown Buffalo, if you throw in surrounding areas to the mix, Buffalo likely doesn’t even belong in the league with almost every team in the league. screw it, let’s just sell the team. I’m sick of arguing about this. Just To be fair You said the surrounding suburbs of these cities mostly have three times as many population as the city of Buffalo Which is just not true at all go bills! I would watch them at Buffalo State Stadium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Just To be fair You said the surrounding suburbs of these cities mostly have three times as many population as the city of Buffalo Which is just not true at all go bills! I would watch them at Buffalo State Stadium Surrounding areas. Then I brought up cities like Arlington, and Glendale which have as many as downtown Buffalo. Throw in surrounding areas and your into the multimillions. Comparing Buffalo and/or its surrounding areas to any of those other cities and/or their surrounding areas isn’t the same. And with small mindset thinking like we have with this stadium among other blunders, it’ll never matter anyway. what’s bothersome is Buffalo is located on the shores of some of the Most abundant fresh water supply in the world. Used to be one of the 10 largest cities in the United States, and is now a joke of all jokes. Edited March 21 by mrags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 13 minutes ago, mrags said: Surrounding areas. Then I brought up cities like Arlington, and Glendale which have as many as downtown Buffalo. Throw in surrounding areas and your into the multimillions. Comparing Buffalo and/or its surrounding areas to any of those other cities and/or their surrounding areas isn’t the same. And with small mindset thinking like we have with this stadium among other blunders, it’ll never matter anyway. what’s bothersome is Buffalo is located on the shores of some of the Most abundant fresh water supply in the world. Used to be one of the 10 largest cities in the United States, and is now a joke of all jokes. Thank politicians not the people of Western NY 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Thank politicians not the people of Western NY I never blamed the people of WNY. I’m fully aware it’s the politicians. It’ll never change in western New York. I also don’t plan on being here forever either. I lived in Vegas for a few years and moved back because this place was home. I missed it. Unfortunately I have come to the realization that things aren’t and won’t ever be what they could and should be. When the time comes and I retire I will be out of here, hopefully not to come back too often. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 12 hours ago, mrags said: I never blamed the people of WNY. I’m fully aware it’s the politicians. It’ll never change in western New York. I also don’t plan on being here forever either. I lived in Vegas for a few years and moved back because this place was home. I missed it. Unfortunately I have come to the realization that things aren’t and won’t ever be what they could and should be. When the time comes and I retire I will be out of here, hopefully not to come back too often. Yes I would move to a much warmer climate. It will be a much higher quality of life for you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 On 3/20/2023 at 10:16 AM, BillStime said: So, you're telling us that a stadium in the city would do jack for the region? We should spend $1B+ in OP and get nothing for our investment for the region? Let me guess - die hard tailgater? You get to keep the Bills. Or you can spend nothing and they move. 14 hours ago, mrags said: Ok. So there’s one off that list. By the way, I never brought up Kansas City. But since I had to look it up. It’s listed as having surrounding areas of over 1.7m in population. So, still pretty much 75% more than Buffalo and it’s surrounding areas. Giants and Jets play in a metropolis compared to Orchard Park and are only a 20 minute drive to Manhattan with access to 20m in population in the New York metro area. ever been to Santa Clara? I have multiple times. It’s 15 minutes from San Jose which has a population of 1.8m. And 45 minutes from San Francisco and Oakland with a population of over 1.4m between them. It’s in the middle of Silicon Valley which is like the 10th largest areas in the US. There’s not a single area of downtown Buffalo that could compete with any of it. Regardless of having their own stadium or not, the Chargers now reside in LA where the Rams built the biggest and baddest stadium that will likely ever be in the NFL. Even split up between the 2 teams they come in way over what any other stadium has. never been to Arlington but I’d imagine it’s similar in that even the suburbs are larger, and more populated than downtown Buffalo. Oh, just checked. According to wiki it’s over 300k. And it’s smack dab in the middle of Fort Worth (1m) and Dallas (6m+) FedEx Field? It’s a 25min drive from Washington DC. With a population of almost 1m. Arizona? Glendale itself has a population of 250k. But let’s not kid ourselves, the stadium is located in Maricopa County which boasts a population of over 4.4m between Phoenix, Tempe, Scottsdale, and Mesa. again, I didn’t bring these places up. Yes they are in suburbs, but let’s be real here, most of the “suburbs” are larger than Downtown Buffalo, if you throw in surrounding areas to the mix, Buffalo likely doesn’t even belong in the league with almost every team in the league. screw it, let’s just sell the team. I’m sick of arguing about this. So, technically you're not mad the stadium is in Orchard Park, you're just mad Buffalo isn't a bigger city. That sums up all the domer/down-towners to me. Just a bunch of wishful thinking that Buffalo was somehow comparable to these other cities. The fact is that these teams are still building out in the suburbs because building their stadiums downtown wasn't feasible. Just like it isn't for Buffalo. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 1 hour ago, LeGOATski said: You get to keep the Bills. Or you can spend nothing and they move. So, technically you're not mad the stadium is in Orchard Park, you're just mad Buffalo isn't a bigger city. That sums up all the domer/down-towners to me. Just a bunch of wishful thinking that Buffalo was somehow comparable to these other cities. The fact is that these teams are still building out in the suburbs because building their stadiums downtown wasn't feasible. Just like it isn't for Buffalo. Whatever you feel like telling yourself to make the cities/states terrible investment sound better. the only people that benefit from this deal is the Billionaire Pegulas who opted not to pick up the extra slack for a domed stadium, or downtown where it might do some good. also hilarious that you talk about other cities suburbs that have more population than Buffalo. Meanwhile we build another stadium in Orchard Park with its 29,000 residents. Again, Kettles, Big Tree, Danny’s, and The Prospector should have career years as soon as the new stadium is built. Yay for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiva Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 5 hours ago, LeGOATski said: You get to keep the Bills. Or you can spend nothing and they move. So, technically you're not mad the stadium is in Orchard Park, you're just mad Buffalo isn't a bigger city. That sums up all the domer/down-towners to me. Just a bunch of wishful thinking that Buffalo was somehow comparable to these other cities. The fact is that these teams are still building out in the suburbs because building their stadiums downtown wasn't feasible. Just like it isn't for Buffalo. This is the type of mentality that put Buffalo in the position it’s in. It’s a string of bad decisions that doom future generations and the city. Just no foresight, no long term plan. I live in San Diego and the difference in infrastructure and positive mental health is apparent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 47 minutes ago, Kiva said: This is the type of mentality that put Buffalo in the position it’s in. It’s a string of bad decisions that doom future generations and the city. Just no foresight, no long term plan. I live in San Diego and the difference in infrastructure and positive mental health is apparent. Different cultures and priorities for sure. But San Diego Chargers stadium was also in a suburb out east of Mission Valley... And as we all know, they weren't willing to pay to keep the Chargers anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 1 hour ago, Kiva said: This is the type of mentality that put Buffalo in the position it’s in. It’s a string of bad decisions that doom future generations and the city. Just no foresight, no long term plan. I live in San Diego and the difference in infrastructure and positive mental health is apparent. You live in SD. So you can shed some light on this for everyone. How far from the stadium is downtown SD? I’ve been there but it’s been over 20 years so I can’t really recall. Google maps says 15 minutes from the stadium to downtown SD. Also showing an approx population of 1.38m people and population in the metro area of 3.3m. the stadium was also built in 1967 at a time when Mission Valley was in early development. From dairy farms up until the 60s to I80 opening up right through it for development. In the early to mid 60s there was construction with hotels and shopping malls in the area. wow. Imagine that, building a stadium in a place in hope for more development. The fact that it didn’t help in the immediate area of mission Valley is lost considering San Diego itself grew from approx 1m resident to 3.3 from 1967 to 2023. Buffalo in that same time has regressed from approx 500k to 280k. But more importantly, the town of Orchard Park grew from approx 15k to 30k. In an area that was never set up or expected to develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiva Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 (edited) 42 minutes ago, mrags said: You live in SD. So you can shed some light on this for everyone. How far from the stadium is downtown SD? I’ve been there but it’s been over 20 years so I can’t really recall. Google maps says 15 minutes from the stadium to downtown SD. Also showing an approx population of 1.38m people and population in the metro area of 3.3m. the stadium was also built in 1967 at a time when Mission Valley was in early development. From dairy farms up until the 60s to I80 opening up right through it for development. In the early to mid 60s there was construction with hotels and shopping malls in the area. wow. Imagine that, building a stadium in a place in hope for more development. The fact that it didn’t help in the immediate area of mission Valley is lost considering San Diego itself grew from approx 1m resident to 3.3 from 1967 to 2023. Buffalo in that same time has regressed from approx 500k to 280k. But more importantly, the town of Orchard Park grew from approx 15k to 30k. In an area that was never set up or expected to develop. They knocked down the chargers stadium and replaced it with a new college stadium. The padres, petco park is downtown, right off 5th and the city is bumping on game nights. I know apples to oranges but San Diego is what Buffalo can be. At times it reminds me of Rochester (in the summer) west. 1 hour ago, LeGOATski said: Different cultures and priorities for sure. But San Diego Chargers stadium was also in a suburb out east of Mission Valley... And as we all know, they weren't willing to pay to keep the Chargers anyway We (the voters) refused to fund a new stadium so they moved. I’m surprised orchard park new stadium wasn’t voted on. If Buffalo can’t do a stadium right (dome) move them to a city that can actually support them. Pegula with his wife’s health issues, really should be looking for another buyer. San Diego would be a strong consideration. Imo. Edited March 22 by Kiva 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 22 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Ummm Kansas City has 500000k And their stadium is 100% not downtown seeing I was there last season Buffalo has 280, 000 people in the city …. And another 300,000* in the surrounding suburbs… well over 1,000,000 metro Absolutely not 3x less than the city of KC lol… In fact… Kansas City smelled, Food was overrated The people were the only good thing Rather be in Buffalo WTF are you talking about? Kansas City metro has 2.5 million people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 5 minutes ago, Billl said: WTF are you talking about? Kansas City metro has 2.5 million people. That’s not what he said He literally said the suburbs of most of these places have more than the city of Buffalo I literally disputed that in 10 seconds In fact he said the suburbs of most of these places are probably three times larger than the city of Buffalo which is just not true So I don’t know what you’re talking about 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Weren't they supposed to be breaking ground on the new stadium this month? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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