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B-Man Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 You’d think it would be super easy to say NO, there weren’t FBI agents dressed as Trump supporters in the Capitol on J6, ya’ know? We’re certainly not experts on the matter but gosh, this isn’t a hard question to answer. Either there were agents and informants, or there weren’t. That seems simple too, eh? Release the tapes. Show Americans what really happened that day … Why won’t they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted November 16, 2022 Author Share Posted November 16, 2022 10 hours ago, B-Man said: You’d think it would be super easy to say NO, there weren’t FBI agents dressed as Trump supporters in the Capitol on J6, ya’ know? We’re certainly not experts on the matter but gosh, this isn’t a hard question to answer. Either there were agents and informants, or there weren’t. That seems simple too, eh? Release the tapes. Show Americans what really happened that day … Why won’t they? You see though it's not that simple. The FBI has informants participate in crimes all the time in order to entrap American citizens. It's what they do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted November 16, 2022 Author Share Posted November 16, 2022 But but but... Testimony under oath! They are just looking for the truth! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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All_Pro_Bills Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 23 hours ago, BillsFanNC said: But but but... Testimony under oath! They are just looking for the truth! The ultimate question isn't whether or not the Agency had assets embedded in the crowd or inside leadership in targeted groups and organizations. Wray refusing to "just say no" was loud and clear. If the answer is yes, which most certainly appears to be the case, the fundamental questions are what was their purpose and mission, and did they participate in the planning and execution of violence committed on 1/6? And if Federal law enforcement was aware of the plans by specific individuals to commit acts of violence then why didn't they make arrests prior to the event and stop the violence from occurring on that day? Not a single member of the 1/6 committee appears eager to get answers, which in itself is reason to be cynical of their stated objectives. An implication is the FBI let it happen for specific purposes which look clearly political in nature. A justification to pursue political enemies in some "official" government setting leveraging the legal system for political purposes outside the normal venues of political discourse. If they let it happen what does that imply? Certainly non-professional behavior and failure to perform the duties and functions of law enforcement. I mean, if the FBI infiltrates an assassination plot is it standard practice to allow the assassin to kill the target and then arrest them for murder rather than arrest them before the killing and charge them with planning and conspiracy to commit the act which saves the life of the intended victim? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 On 11/15/2022 at 1:56 PM, The Frankish Reich said: Yes, Kyle Becker, whoever the eff you are, I do have a question: Did the FBI assets you think were around sharpen flag poles and then use them as spears to attack the police? Did they beat on the Capitol Police with whatever they had access to as they tried to breach a barrier? Did they dress up like Halloween cavemen and prance around various Capitol chambers? Did they break windows and crush a police officer in a door? Amazing the powers of these informants. It’s like they hypnotized these trashy (“low class” in Trump’s own words) rioters into committing a whole variety of felonies. Fair points. The larger question imo was if FBI informants/undercover agents were aware of plans to lay siege to the Capital, what steps, if any, were put in place to minimize threat to human life, property and the seat of power? I’m not all that hung up on FBI personnel being in the mix one the day of the riot, or the use of paid informants in the days leading up to the event. It would be silly to assume those people didn’t exist given the history of law enforcement and use of such tactics. For God’s sake, Whitey Bulger was a glorified serial killer and the FBI used him as an informant and apparently was comfortable with everything/anything he did while so employed. There’s a fine line between information gathering and passively participating in pain and suffering and I’m not always sure that’s managed correctly. So, the question for me is if informants were deployed, what was their role on 1.6 and how did things spiral out of control so quickly? What signs were missed? Why wasn’t there more security? How are was the Capital overrun in minutes like a scene from a movie? it seems to me that in spite of the issues pointed out—people violently attacking others—the real story is how badly whomever was responsible for safeguarding the Capital was grossly incompetent or potentially complicit. On that note, it doesn’t seem like anyone in power is rushing to get to the bottom of THAT question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted November 17, 2022 Author Share Posted November 17, 2022 19 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: The ultimate question isn't whether or not the Agency had assets embedded in the crowd or inside leadership in targeted groups and organizations. Wray refusing to "just say no" was loud and clear. If the answer is yes, which most certainly appears to be the case, the fundamental questions are what was their purpose and mission, and did they participate in the planning and execution of violence committed on 1/6? And if Federal law enforcement was aware of the plans by specific individuals to commit acts of violence then why didn't they make arrests prior to the event and stop the violence from occurring on that day? Not a single member of the 1/6 committee appears eager to get answers, which in itself is reason to be cynical of their stated objectives. An implication is the FBI let it happen for specific purposes which look clearly political in nature. A justification to pursue political enemies in some "official" government setting leveraging the legal system for political purposes outside the normal venues of political discourse. If they let it happen what does that imply? Certainly non-professional behavior and failure to perform the duties and functions of law enforcement. I mean, if the FBI infiltrates an assassination plot is it standard practice to allow the assassin to kill the target and then arrest them for murder rather than arrest them before the killing and charge them with planning and conspiracy to commit the act which saves the life of the intended victim? And in answer to this sober, logical analysis you'll get.. Of course the FBI had informants embedded who lured people into committing crimes (crimes that threatened the very existence of our democracy they'll also tell you). It's what they do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 Should this be the first investigation for the Repub House? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 38 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: And in answer to this sober, logical analysis you'll get.. Of course the FBI had informants embedded who lured people into committing crimes (crimes that threatened the very existence of our democracy they'll also tell you). It's what they do! I've heard that too but I'd argue anyone that believes there's some standard FBI operating procedure that provides agents with autonomous authorization to perform such operations are misinformed. Here's a link to a declassified version of the "FBI Domestic Investigations and Operations Guide". 'https://vault.fbi.gov/FBI Domestic Investigations and Operations Guide (DIOG)/FBI Domestic Investigations and Operations Guide (DIOG) 2016 Version/FBI Domestic Investigations and Operations Guide (DIOG) 2016 Version Part 01 of 02/view I wouldn't expect anyone to read the entire document but start on page 41 Authority of the Attorney General's Guidelines For Domestic FBI Operations. See on page 43 section 2.4.2 Conducting Terrorism and Counterterrorosim Operations. They discuss procedures for deviations which my read of it include domestic entrapment and manufacturing of crimes to produce arrests and charges. Deviations require higher approval. Operations of entrapment that receive approval to proceed would appear to be "legal" under the defined procedures. So if they did indeed run a domestic sting operations here who in the hierarchy signed off on that and why? Alas, another question that will never be asked or answered. But I'd say the trail leads to somewhere in the upper ranks of the FBI and DOJ during the last days of the Trump administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillStime Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 10 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: ☝️😂 #winning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Chris Wray is Smacked Down for Dodging Question on ‘FBI Informants Dressed as Trump Supporters’ on January 6 by Kyle Becker Chris Wray, the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, appeared before the House of Representatives on Tuesday, and once again was grilled about the FBI’s knowledge of and participation in the events of January 6. Rep. Clay Higgins (R-LA) pressed Wray about FBI informants amid the far-right extremists that had planned the Capitol siege in advance of the Electoral College proceedings that day. https://trendingpolitics.com/chris-wray-is-smacked-down-for-dodging-question-on-fbi-informants-dressed-as-trump-supporters-on-january-6-knab/ . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Pence blasts J6 committee, refuses to testify https://hotair.com/karen-townsend/2022/11/17/pence-blasts-j6-committee-refuses-to-testify-and-liz-cheney-has-thoughts-n511713 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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B-Man Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 1 hour ago, BillsFanNC said: Could Trump have done more on January 6? Yes. Should he have done more? Yes. These tweets do not exonerate him from the things he could have done that day to quell the anger. But they do prove he was not using Twitter to foment violence and did make attempts to calm things. Liberals are so used to having their own words and agendas amplified on platforms like Twitter and Facebook, with Big Tech happily propping them up, that having Elon Musk come along and work toward parity has got them seething. They’d like nothing better than to have Donald Trump’s words from January 6 hidden forever, stricken from the record that only they are allowed to write. https://redstate.com/terichristoph/2022/11/19/donald-trumps-january-6-tweets-resurface-in-a-big-way-smack-libs-in-the-face-n661558 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, B-Man said: Could Trump have done more on January 6? Yes. Should he have done more? Yes. These tweets do not exonerate him from the things he could have done that day to quell the anger. But they do prove he was not using Twitter to foment violence and did make attempts to calm things. Liberals are so used to having their own words and agendas amplified on platforms like Twitter and Facebook, with Big Tech happily propping them up, that having Elon Musk come along and work toward parity has got them seething. They’d like nothing better than to have Donald Trump’s words from January 6 hidden forever, stricken from the record that only they are allowed to write. https://redstate.com/terichristoph/2022/11/19/donald-trumps-january-6-tweets-resurface-in-a-big-way-smack-libs-in-the-face-n661558 . Done more how? He didn't tell them to break into the Capitol and instead told them to "peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard." They obviously weren't listening to him then and wouldn't have listened later. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted November 21, 2022 Author Share Posted November 21, 2022 Report delayed again? Good thing @ChiGoose was too cowardly to accept my bet when he insisted all the testimony would come out in September. We also now know the report, if it ever does come out, won't be complete since they aren't including anything about law enforcement on J6. Gee...who is shocked other than Chigoose? The sham committee wasn't political at all! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 On 11/15/2022 at 2:17 PM, The Frankish Reich said: Here’s what it has to do with: yes, you innocent children, law enforcement agencies recruit informants with terrorist groups and other groups crowing (online or otherwise) about overthrowing the legitimate government. Yes, this is perfectly legal. No, the fact that an informant “helped” you with your stupid plans is no defense in a criminal case if you were predisposed to violent action. Yes, it is possible that anti-government groups were subjects of intel gathering, but that nobody anticipated that the sitting PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES would egg then on and that that same President would rebuff his own Vice President’s request to call of his dogs by saying, “Mike, you’re too honest.” There are hundreds of informants all over the place. I spooked a certain Deranged Rhino into thinking that I may be one. Are you so sure I’m not? 🤔 That was fun!! Now do the 2020 riots that caused billions in damage! 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 On 11/14/2022 at 9:51 PM, ChiGoose said: This stuff is hilarious. The FBI had an asset with some of the terrorists that did 9/11. Does that mean the FBI “was involved” with 9/11? I’m having trouble keeping up with the latest explanation for January 6th. If I have it right, it was a peaceful protest of pro-Trump antifa who attacked the Capitol because the FBI told them to do so. Is that right? This is an overly simplistic point of view. Post 9/11, there were many, many questions about failures of the intelligence community to identify to identify and stop the attacks before they happened. These were reasonable questions. Somewhere between “the FBI assets were responsible for the attacks” and “There’s nothing to see here!” is reasonable. In spite of the fact that Trump has not been charged with a crime for being directly involved with the 1/6 riots, there has been rampant speculation that he was intimately involved. Given that he hasn’t been charged, it’s reasonable to assume that the 1/6 riot was spontaneous, at least from his perspective. A completely reasonable question is if there were assets embedded, and if they knew of the threat of violence, and if they knew/believed Trump was directly involved—how was the Capital overrun to begin with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: This is an overly simplistic point of view. Post 9/11, there were many, many questions about failures of the intelligence community to identify to identify and stop the attacks before they happened. These were reasonable questions. Somewhere between “the FBI assets were responsible for the attacks” and “There’s nothing to see here!” is reasonable. In spite of the fact that Trump has not been charged with a crime for being directly involved with the 1/6 riots, there has been rampant speculation that he was intimately involved. Given that he hasn’t been charged, it’s reasonable to assume that the 1/6 riot was spontaneous, at least from his perspective. A completely reasonable question is if there were assets embedded, and if they knew of the threat of violence, and if they knew/believed Trump was directly involved—how was the Capital overrun to begin with? The entire 1/6 committee narrative has been an effort to link the acts of violence at the Capitol with the post-election activities of the administration and to date has failed to prove that Trump somehow "directed" the events at the Capitol. At this point they have less than 2 months left on the clock before the committee goes bye-bye. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 It's basically "he held a rally, people got riled up and did stupid ***** so it's his fault." Again that's a slippery slope considering what the Dems did leading up to the Summer of 2020. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. The Post reports: Several committee staff members were floored earlier this month when they were told that a draft report would focus almost entirely on Trump and the work of the committee’s “Gold Team,” excluding reams of other investigative work. Potentially left on the cutting room floor, or relegated to an appendix, were many revelations from the “Blue Team” — the group that dug into the law enforcement and intelligence community’s failure to assess the looming threat and prepare for the well-forecast attack on the Capitol. The proposed report would also cut back on much of the work of the Green Team, which looked at financing for the Jan. 6 attack, and the Purple Team, which examined militia groups and extremism. So they’re not even focusing on the Oath Keepers or the Proud Boys and all of the FBI agents embedded within them. It’s strictly about Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 I think Dick Jr. secretly has a crush on Don Sr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted November 24, 2022 Author Share Posted November 24, 2022 The committee is only after the truth wherever it may lead, right @ChiGoose? We will learn the truth when we get to read the comprehensive (not) report! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 Dick Jr.'s going to try to run in 2024? LOL! Good luck with that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillsFanNC Posted November 26, 2022 Author Share Posted November 26, 2022 Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 Because this was before China conquered the United States in March of 2020 and the Ds were good with it because this guy changed the game and their party would become extinct: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted November 27, 2022 Author Share Posted November 27, 2022 I forgot about this classic. INsUrECkShUN!!! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted November 28, 2022 Author Share Posted November 28, 2022 So the J6 committee was a complete sham? You don't say... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 The Capitol is more secure than ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillsFanNC Posted December 7, 2022 Author Share Posted December 7, 2022 The investigations will be toothless and there will be zero accountability. Just going out on a limb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Just now, BillsFanNC said: The investigations will be toothless and there will be zero accountability. Just going out on a limb. So much for 👆🎯 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 13 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: The investigations will be toothless and there will be zero accountability. Just going out on a limb. Probably. But it still needs to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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