HomeskillitMoorman Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 14 minutes ago, HappyDays said: They haven't treated unvaccinated and vaccinated players equally since the start. The complaints that Beasley has now were the same complaints he had in the offseason. Agree with it or not those have been the rules. All of the unvaccinated players have known they were at greater risk of missing games, irrespective of the vaccine's efficacy. This. Haha I didn’t read the whole thread before I just posted but I guess this angle is already being discussed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Maybe I misread but I think he was more saying the system is unfair and they should test everyone and he’s being singled out. I didn’t really read that snippet as advocating people playing sick but I didn’t read the full statement if there’s more yea love cole as a player. still cheer for him.....but his reasoning is so whack. he has some good counterpoints. its almost like hes dying on a hill of very small ideas that challenge science. the part about the vax companies manipulating or pulling the wool over ppl to make money is absolute bonkers. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evian Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 Just now, UKBillFan said: Though in the case of unvaccinated v vaccinated players, the former are still at a disadvantage, which has been the case all along. Well the unvaccinated gets tested everyday, which is a good thing to keep it from spreading in your locker room. IMO he is at a disadvantage for himself but his daily testing is best for the team. Now we have a bunch of vaccinated players who can be positive and spreading it to everyone and nobody is doing anything to stop it. That actually hurts the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 Just now, Evian said: The NFL just changed the rules. That is the problem. Just now, MasterStrategist said: Agree, but the NFL just changed their "rules" again in the past week. Yes, they changed the rules in response to a new variant that appears to be much more likely to cause break through infections in vaccinated people, but does not appear to be more likely to cause symptomatic or severe cases in vaccinated people. Truth be told if the NFL wanted to institute the one foolproof method of stopping the spread among teams entirely they would just cancel the season. Short of that they are going to do the best they can to keep the season going and reward vaccinated players for taking the best precaution available to them. The overarching message sent by the protocols has not changed - if you are unvaccinated you are at greater risk of missing games. Obviously the risk of vaccinated players missing games is now higher because of the new variant but the gap is still there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 yea variant has really messed up everything to a degree. just bottom line. get vax. well continue to have more variants. hopefully not as as contagious or deadly. its a massive global problem. as long as you have huge #s of ppl unvax (india, south america, africa) this can keep going on and on and on 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Evian said: Well the unvaccinated gets tested everyday, which is a good thing to keep it from spreading in your locker room. IMO he is at a disadvantage for himself but his daily testing is best for the team. Now we have a bunch of vaccinated players who can be positive and spreading it to everyone and nobody is doing anything to stop it. That actually hurts the team. I agree with this - the only reason the NFL has stopped testing everyone is because they want the season to continue as planned due to the money involved. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennstate10 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 42 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Glad to hear his symptoms aren't bad. Beasley sure aint the sharpest tool in the shed. The rules preventing him from playing aren't designed to support him or his health. They are designed to support the health of everyone he comes in contact with. So many of these rocket scientists dont understand the concept of PUBLIC health. 3 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Well, not quite. There are a couple of things uninformed about it, though. Preventive medicine like vaccines are always less expensive than disease treatment, and this is no exception. Vaccines (like Prevnar) normally sell for about $200/dose. The various Covid vaccines are being sold to the US Gov't currently for between $4 to <$20/dose. A single pharmacist can administer at least 20 doses/hr, more if it's a clinic where one person is checking the paperwork and filling out vaccine cards, another is drawing up doses, a third is administering them. 6 doses fit in a tiny vial, and racks and racks of vials can fit in a freezer box. Monoclonal antibodies are far more expensive to produce, store, ship, and administer. Regeneron is currently selling its mAb treatment to the go'vt at a discount- $2,100 dose (a mAb treatment may normally cost $5,000-7,000). The treatments can be given on an out-patient basis, so they don't take up a hospital bed, but they do take up a treatment room and the attention of a nurse for 90 minutes, so they cost more to administer - as much as the dose again, perhaps, or more. The patient to staff ratio should be something like 1:5 to be sure the IVs are all running smoothly, no air, no blown veins, no adverse reactions. Appreciate your comment and the breakdown of figures. Guess your final comment is what I meant by treatments needing a hospital bed though didn’t phrase it very well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 4 hours ago, nucci said: Great, biggest game of season and he's out. Beas and Felicia shouldn’t see the field again this season. It’s time to let the players that value the team, city, and fans, get a chance to play. It’s a total slap in the face to everyone that invests time and money into this organization. 3 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagne591 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 Everyone is getting it vaccinated or not...don't hate Cole because he made a personal choice...life is bigger then football people. The NFL is rigged these days anyway when they legalized gambling if you haven't noticed...its like watching the WWE...yes they hit and put on a show but the outcome is already decided before the opening kickoff. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 1 minute ago, pennstate10 said: Beasley sure aint the sharpest tool in the shed. The rules preventing him from playing aren't designed to support him or his health. They are designed to support the health of everyone he comes in contact with. So many of these rocket scientists dont understand the concept of PUBLIC health. He’s a millionaire and doesn’t have any teeth. The signs were always there. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Governor said: Beas and Felicia shouldn’t see the field again this season. It’s time to let the players that value the team, city, and fans, get a chance to play. It’s a total slap in the face to everyone that invests time and money into this organization. I believe Feliciano is vaccinated. So why should he not see the field the rest of this season? And compared to a lot of teams the Bills still haven't been hit all that hard by the covid. I mean I'm watching my second NFL game in two days featuring a PRACTICE SQUAD QB because the fully vaccinated starter and back-up were down with covid. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, wagne591 said: Everyone is getting it vaccinated or not...don't hate Cole because he made a personal choice...life is bigger then football people. The NFL is rigged these days anyway when they legalized gambling if you haven't noticed...its like watching the WWE...yes they hit and put on a show but the outcome is already decided before the opening kickoff. theres a difference between "getting it" which is called test positivity. and being sick, spreading to community and other ppl, hospitlizations, and death. the NFL and vegas and WWE has no relevancy here 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evian Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, pennstate10 said: Beasley sure aint the sharpest tool in the shed. The rules preventing him from playing aren't designed to support him or his health. They are designed to support the health of everyone he comes in contact with. So many of these rocket scientists dont understand the concept of PUBLIC health. Actually you don't understand the concept of PUBLIC health. Beasley is right that only testing unvaccinated players is moronic. You have to test everyone if you are going to stop the spread. The NFL is the one ignoring science and public health. Their rules are designed to keep players on the field with very little concern for the public health. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, Evian said: The NFL would test everyone daily, not just the unvaccinated players, if they cared about the virus spreading. They don't just care about the virus spreading, they care about their players getting severely ill. That is why they are still testing symptomatic vaccinated players and randomly testing some asymptomatic vaccinated players. And as far as I know the other protocols designed to limit spreading are still there - all staff and players wearing masks indoors, limited interactions with the community, social distancing in the team cafeterias, etc. It is not a free for all for the vaccinated players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: I believe Feliciano is vaccinated. So why should he not see the field the rest of this season? And compared to a lot of teams the Bills still haven't been hit all that hard by the covid. I mean I'm watching my second NFL game in two days featuring a PRACTICE SQUAD QB because the fully vaccinated starter and back-up were down with covid. Yes, Feliciano said he was vaccinated and this was backed up by Beasley. 2 minutes ago, Steptide said: I don't know why the NFL is so much different than real life. What I mean is, nobody in the real world is getting tested daily or on a weekly basis to be able to go to work. People are only getting tested if they feel or get sick. I don't know why the NFL should be any different. Also I'm to the point where I couldn't care less if a person is vaccinated or not. I know just as many people that ended up hospitalized that were vaxxed vs people who were not. This whole "you have less chance of being hospitalized if you're vaxxed" is just flat out wrong. Not according to the data in the U.K. Maybe it is different in America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Evian said: Actually you don't understand the concept of PUBLIC health. Beasley is right that only testing unvaccinated players is moronic. You have to test everyone if you are going to stop the spread. The NFL is the one ignoring science and public health. Their rules are designed to keep players on the field with very little concern for the public health. youre right in that its confusing and the NFL def has an agenda. ideally. yes everyone would be tested everyday.. but thats not realistic. these "rules" were made when pandemic was relatively under control withought any idea of omicron and part of the deal the NFLPA and NFL made was to incentivize players to get vax - both for everyones health and to allow the games to be played without delay and cancellation. now the NFL is adopting something a lot of scientific communities and others are talking about - do we really need to regulary test vax ppl ? i think were finding we dont. BUT the definition of vax is changing. its really 3 doses. not 1 , not 2 but 3. a lot of moving parts. but this isnt black and white and its not so polar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Evian said: No, the NFL would just test everyone daily, not just the unvaccinated players, if they cared out the virus spreading. That is how science works. Vaccinated and unvaccinated players both spread the virus if they have it. The NFL either should test everyone daily or test nodody and just let players get it. This is not hard to understand. Testing only unvaccinated and players with symptoms is laughable. It is all meant just to keep players playing with a fake PR boost for the media. No science involved. So I understand where you're coming from, and "test everyone every day" would have been my approach if I were "NFL Covid King for a Day" and was trying to limit infections on teams. However, Stills (NFL CMO) said their data pre-season supported that vaccinated players were 7x less likely to contract covid and they weren't seeing intra-facility spread. I believe the claim was, that's been the case most of the fall - they've not been seeing intra-facility spread (they can tell by sequencing the virus from different infections). Recently, Stills implied they are now seeing intra-facility spread, which is why they went to everyone masked, distanced, etc. But he also stated asymptomatic infected players don't spread the virus, nor do recovering players with Ct >35. I do not know what those data are or how conclusive they are, because the NFL isn't sharing it. So they are claiming to be driven by science, but it's their own internal science so 🤷♂️ 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamptonBillsfan Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 23 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: He is unavailable for the biggest game of the year. How are you not hurting the team when you aren't on the field against the New England Patriots and are sitting home once again popping off on twitter and making yourself the center of a sideshow days before the biggest game of the year? Are you serious? 50 players tested positive for Covid Monday,most have been vaccinated. Games are being played with 3rd string QBs and 11 starters unavailable. Did you see the Browns play without their 1st and 2nd string QBs. NE has their top 3 receivers on Covid protocols. This is a problem league wide with protocols that are unworkable and will result in the competitive nature of the season being compromised. You're pointing your finger at 1 guy. More Bills will get Covid and it will be a war of attrition. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
par73 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 My biggest fear going into this week (other than the rush D) was the Covid-list. Still five days left, and the Bills are down an important weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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