Breakdown of Leonard Fournette 47 yard touchdown

[HoofHearted]

Tampa runs Buck Sweep on 1st and 10 and catch Buffalo rolling 3 weak. Buffalo is beat at birth right here based on alignment since they have Rousseau lined up in a 7 tech instead of a 9 and their Sam linebacker (Milano) playing a 50 and having to set the edge from depth. Milano's responsibility is to set the edge so he is going to take on the first puller with outside leverage forcing Edmunds to take on the second puller with outside leverage and force the play back inside to the Will/Nickel (Johnson) and Strong Safety (Poyer). Johnson missed the tackle and Poyer got worked by the Left Tackle as the Alley player allowing the touchdown. Edminds fit his gap assignment. Anyone who says he overran the play doesn't understand football and run fit assignments.

 

Flame on haters.... @AlCowlingsTaxiService @LABillsBacker @Rick 'r Mortis

 

 

Edited December 13, 2021 by HoofHearted

[HoofHearted]

where you at? @AlCowlingsTaxiService @LABillsBacker???

[Billsfan1972]

Another long TD run vs. the Bills defense......  This is an issue.

[HoofHearted]

1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Another long TD run vs. the Bills defense......  This is an issue.

100% it's an issue - but it's not an Edmunds specific issue as people like to make it out to be.

[ALLEN1QB]

1 hour ago, HoofHearted said:

Tampa runs Buck Sweep on 1st and 10 and catch Buffalo rolling 3 weak. Buffalo is beat at birth right here based on alignment since they have Rousseau lined up in a 7 tech instead of a 9 and their Sam linebacker (Milano) playing a 50 and having to set the edge from depth. Milano's responsibility is to set the edge so he is going to take on the first puller with outside leverage forcing Edmunds to take on the second puller with outside leverage and force the play back inside to the Will/Nickel (Johnson) and Strong Safety (Poyer). Johnson missed the tackle and Poyer got worked by the Left Tackle as the Alley player allowing the touchdown. Edminds fit his gap assignment. Anyone who says he overran the play doesn't understand football and run fit assignments.

 

Flame on haters.... @AlCowlingsTaxiService @LABillsBacker @Rick 'r Mortis

 

 

You should be our defensive coordinator. He probably doesn't understand that.

[HoofHearted]

2 minutes ago, ALLEN1QB said:

You should be our defensive coordinator. He probably doesn't understand that.

I assure you he does. If Poyer doesn't get caught rolling at the snap and plays run first (C gap responsibility) like he's intended to then we're good, but Poyer continues to roll pulling him further away from his gap assignment. It's just a good call against what we had called. Taron needs to make the tackle, plain and simple.

[BMWR100RT]

Are you defending Edmunds game today? Ugh. 

[BillsFan130]

Is there a breakdown for when Edmunds couldn't stop Fournette on a 3rd and 1 in the backfield, then got burned by Tom Brady's eyes that led to the game winning TD?

[Old Coot]

2 hours ago, HoofHearted said:

Tampa runs Buck Sweep on 1st and 10 and catch Buffalo rolling 3 weak. Buffalo is beat at birth right here based on alignment since they have Rousseau lined up in a 7 tech instead of a 9 and their Sam linebacker (Milano) playing a 50 and having to set the edge from depth. Milano's responsibility is to set the edge so he is going to take on the first puller with outside leverage forcing Edmunds to take on the second puller with outside leverage and force the play back inside to the Will/Nickel (Johnson) and Strong Safety (Poyer). Johnson missed the tackle and Poyer got worked by the Left Tackle as the Alley player allowing the touchdown. Edminds fit his gap assignment. Anyone who says he overran the play doesn't understand football and run fit assignments.

Excellent post. You obviously know your X's & O's. 

 

I have a question for you about Josh's ball placement on his dump off passes to RBs. 

 

First the content: Josh throws behind the RB forcing him to turn his back to the D to receive the ball.  This allows the D to rally to the RB and the result is that the play gains minimal yardage.  When I see similar plays executed by other teams the gain often is 5-7 yards.

 

Here's the question: are QBs coached to lace the throw behind the RB or is that just Josh?

[GoBills808]

19 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Is there a breakdown for when Edmunds couldn't stop Fournette on a 3rd and 1 in the backfield, then got burned by Tom Brady's eyes that led to the game winning TD?

Mesh w play side TE…Jackson or Wallace (probably Jackson) is supposed to switch to shallow route, Edmunds man is deeper drag from weak side. Pretty clearly not his man.

[727Bills]

Thought I read somewhere that Edmunds took ownership in his PC that it was his fault.... I could be mistaken 

[Old Coot]

18 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

then got burned by Tom Brady's eyes that led to the game winning TD?

That's a difficult play for any LB to make.  Edmunds is the MLB and he has no outside help -- the LB on that side Milano blitzes.  Looks like the DB who normally would cover the receiver doubles one of the receivers to the other side.  The receiver crosses behind Edmunds.

 

At no point does Edmunds have a shot at making the tackle -- he's behind the receiver, who is faster than him.

 

A good play call against our D.  The blitz didn't get to Brady in time.

[Nelius]

Leonard Fournette, man. Old 3.8 yards a carry probably hanging out in the 4.7 range 40 now Leonard Fournette. This team has serious run defense issues. I really think that the Saints game would have been a problem had Ingram played. We can't handle even average running backs right now.

[HurlyBurly51]

3 hours ago, HoofHearted said:

Tampa runs Buck Sweep on 1st and 10 and catch Buffalo rolling 3 weak. Buffalo is beat at birth right here based on alignment since they have Rousseau lined up in a 7 tech instead of a 9 and their Sam linebacker (Milano) playing a 50 and having to set the edge from depth. Milano's responsibility is to set the edge so he is going to take on the first puller with outside leverage forcing Edmunds to take on the second puller with outside leverage and force the play back inside to the Will/Nickel (Johnson) and Strong Safety (Poyer). Johnson missed the tackle and Poyer got worked by the Left Tackle as the Alley player allowing the touchdown. Edminds fit his gap assignment. Anyone who says he overran the play doesn't understand football and run fit assignments.

 

Flame on haters.... @AlCowlingsTaxiService @LABillsBacker @Rick 'r Mortis

 

 

You've only got 37 posts - Post more!  Good stuff.

[bouds]

Great breakdown brother.  Question, what does playing a 50 mean?

 

Romo even said it on the broadcast, he was talking about our safeties rotating late and keeping QBs off balance, except when you rotate yourself out of position and get slapped.  Seems like thats what happened here, because we kept the rest of the run game bottled up.

 

Appreciate the analysis.

[HoofHearted]

8 hours ago, BMWR100RT said:

Are you defending Edmunds game today? Ugh. 

No. Just this play as I saw a lot of posters bashing him for this one.

8 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

Is there a breakdown for when Edmunds couldn't stop Fournette on a 3rd and 1 in the backfield, then got burned by Tom Brady's eyes that led to the game winning TD?

If I can find a video of both plays where I can see what everyone on both sides of the ball are doing I’ll gladly do breakdowns.

8 hours ago, Old Coot said:

Excellent post. You obviously know your X's & O's. 

 

I have a question for you about Josh's ball placement on his dump off passes to RBs. 

 

First the content: Josh throws behind the RB forcing him to turn his back to the D to receive the ball.  This allows the D to rally to the RB and the result is that the play gains minimal yardage.  When I see similar plays executed by other teams the gain often is 5-7 yards.

 

Here's the question: are QBs coached to lace the throw behind the RB or is that just Josh?

Are you talking throws to the sideline or middle of the field?

7 hours ago, HurlyBurly51 said:

You've only got 37 posts - Post more!  Good stuff.

Gotta start somewhere 🤷‍♂️

6 hours ago, bouds said:

Great breakdown brother.  Question, what does playing a 50 mean?

 

Romo even said it on the broadcast, he was talking about our safeties rotating late and keeping QBs off balance, except when you rotate yourself out of position and get slapped.  Seems like thats what happened here, because we kept the rest of the run game bottled up.

 

Appreciate the analysis.

A 50 is the linebackers alignment. Second level defenders follow the same rules as the defensive line as far as what their different alignments are called. They just add a 0 to the end of theirs. So a 3 tech defensive tackle plays outside shade of a guard - a LB in a 30 is playing outside shade of a guard but off ball. So to answer your question a 50 is outside shade of the offensive tackle.

[Blank Stare]

I have no doubt you’re accurate in your play design, but you know what’s better than funneling your guy back inside? Using your instinct and just making the tackle. Edmunds passed up just making the tackle on Fournette to engage the blocker because that’s what the play told him to do. He went right by him to force the play inside when he could have just shown a little instinct and stopped it right there. Players rely on their instinct and deviate from script all the time to make a play. Rarely, if ever, seems to happen with Tremaine who tends to be out of position on many big plays. 

[BuffaloRebound]

7 minutes ago, TheProcess said:

I have no doubt you’re accurate in your play design, but you know what’s better than funneling your guy back inside? Using your instinct and just making the tackle. Edmunds passed up just making the tackle on Fournette to engage the blocker because that’s what the play told him to do. He went right by him to force the play inside when he could have just shown a little instinct and stopped it right there. Players rely on their instinct and deviate from script all the time to make a play. Rarely, if ever, seems to happen with Tremaine who tends to be out of position on many big plays. 

This.  Times 1,000.  Nobody cares anymore if he’s doing what he’s supposed to be doing on paper.  You can get a JAG to do that.  That’s all Edmunds is.  A physically talented guy that plays like a JAG.  

[colin]

11 hours ago, HoofHearted said:

Tampa runs Buck Sweep on 1st and 10 and catch Buffalo rolling 3 weak. Buffalo is beat at birth right here based on alignment since they have Rousseau lined up in a 7 tech instead of a 9 and their Sam linebacker (Milano) playing a 50 and having to set the edge from depth. Milano's responsibility is to set the edge so he is going to take on the first puller with outside leverage forcing Edmunds to take on the second puller with outside leverage and force the play back inside to the Will/Nickel (Johnson) and Strong Safety (Poyer). Johnson missed the tackle and Poyer got worked by the Left Tackle as the Alley player allowing the touchdown. Edminds fit his gap assignment. Anyone who says he overran the play doesn't understand football and run fit assignments.

 

Flame on haters.... @AlCowlingsTaxiService @LABillsBacker @Rick 'r Mortis

 

 

 

 

you make a good point, but i have babbled endlessly about how our D (at great great expense cap wise and with a huge amount of coaching advantage vs our O) structurally combined w our actual players, just has a problem.  we are built to take away the big play, but allow big plays while not forcing the O out of their comfort zone.  based on what we have, i don't think edmunds gives us enough since he doesn't make enough impact plays, but does make mistakes.

 

for example, if he were exactly who he is, but could really get off or punish blockers, he mighta disrupted the blocker levering the whole play inside and at a worse angle, making the tackle more likely.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Beer can to the head = angry run years later.  Who threw that beer?! 😡