SoCal Deek Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Can somebody tell how much Canada has spent/blown on this small incursion? Asking for a friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said: From what I gather, and this could be wrong there's a lot of conflicting info, it looks like maybe Russian ministry of def attacked Wagner. Now Wagners going nuts and going after Moscow. Hard to believe. Not sure what's true. https://twitter.com/FordJohnathan5/status/1672344871112253440?t=5op1m-d80Zhsv1kalxMX2A&s=19 This twitter account has his manifesto. Backtrack through it and you should be able to find it all. Wagner's saying from what I've seen, that this is more a mutiny than a rebellion. Or a military strike, like what happened in France and Germany in 1917-1918. They want grievances addressed, or so they say, then they'll head back to the front. Ukraine's probing Russian lines around Bakhmut with a couple Marine brigades. My guess is they're trying to figure out what's what, and grab anything that's easy to grab. So it could be a rebellion, it could be a mutiny, could end up being a nothingburger. Nobody's talking about ending the war, but there's still a lot left to play out. We've got the luxury of being able to watch and wait. Edited June 24, 2023 by Coffeesforclosers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Today the rest of the sane world should have been able to figure out why we must support Ukraine’s fiery ordeal. And it ain’t about “democracy.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 10 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Today the rest of the sane world should have been able to figure out why we must support Ukraine’s fiery ordeal. And it ain’t about “democracy.” You should be happy if Russia is self-destructing so you can find something else to blame the Dems on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mynamemike Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 In our new world of artificial intelligence it’s hard to know what’s real and what’s not. The voice recording of the Wagner group leader is something that could be easily have been fabricated and just be misinformation. the video of the reported missile attack doesn’t look very convincing and the damage looks minimal. It all seems like something to get the Russians panicked and now maybe Ukraine does go for the big counter attack. Going to be interesting. If a full blow civil war happens in Russia who knows how that plays out but i error on the side of caution until we get more info 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mynamemike said: In our new world of artificial intelligence it’s hard to know what’s real and what’s not. The voice recording of the Wagner group leader is something that could be easily have been fabricated and just be misinformation. the video of the reported missile attack doesn’t look very convincing and the damage looks minimal. It all seems like something to get the Russians panicked and now maybe Ukraine does go for the big counter attack. Going to be interesting. If a full blow civil war happens in Russia who knows how that plays out but i error on the side of caution until we get more info Yup. The other thing being posted by the sources in this thread are: there's no video of Wagner columns on the roads, and there's no videos of Russian v Russian combat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Mynamemike said: In our new world of artificial intelligence it’s hard to know what’s real and what’s not. The voice recording of the Wagner group leader is something that could be easily have been fabricated and just be misinformation. the video of the reported missile attack doesn’t look very convincing and the damage looks minimal. It all seems like something to get the Russians panicked and now maybe Ukraine does go for the big counter attack. Going to be interesting. If a full blow civil war happens in Russia who knows how that plays out but i error on the side of caution until we get more info You're right. It's crazy. This could all be fake. I'm waiting to hear more because it's huge news potentially. Russia is an extremely f'd up country as evidenced by their complete lack of self control during war time (likely condoned from high up). If it is a civil war, big if, it will likely be an historic event. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Mynamemike said: In our new world of artificial intelligence it’s hard to know what’s real and what’s not. The voice recording of the Wagner group leader is something that could be easily have been fabricated and just be misinformation. the video of the reported missile attack doesn’t look very convincing and the damage looks minimal. It all seems like something to get the Russians panicked and now maybe Ukraine does go for the big counter attack. Going to be interesting. If a full blow civil war happens in Russia who knows how that plays out but i error on the side of caution until we get more info I agree, I’m very skeptical. I don’t trust a lot of these “war reporter” accounts no matter what side they’re on. an old professor of mine was (is) an expert Ukrainian/Balkan studies so stuff he retweets I trust pretty well, but that’s about it Edited June 24, 2023 by Roundybout 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Good Twitter space on this right now. https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1vAGRAwNvzXKl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 11 minutes ago, SCBills said: Good Twitter space on this right now. https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1vAGRAwNvzXKl Thanks for the link but I’m not joining anything with Ian Miles Cheong in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Thanks for the link but I’m not joining anything with Ian Miles Cheong in it It’s moderated by Mario Nawfal, who does a great job with these spaces. There are folks from both sides of the debate in there and they’re mostly focusing on news reports / speculation coming in. Edited June 24, 2023 by SCBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SCBills Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Do we want a coup in Russia? Honest question. I mean, I know our leaders do .. that’s obvious. We’ve certainly had our fair share of regime change … when has it turned out for the better? Prighozin has already stated that he wants Ukraine - He’s reportedly more hawkish in regards to this war than Putin .. so it’s not like he’s going to take out Putin and then leave Ukraine alone. We would then have a wild card government in charge of Russia with access to nukes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillStime Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 🎯 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, BillStime said: 🎯 Tell us why you prefer Prighozin to Putin. .. because I’m assuming you know nothing about him. Do you and William know that he’s more hawkish on demolishing Ukraine than Putin? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Wow https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/feud-between-moscow-wagner-group-214329810.html 1 minute ago, SCBills said: Tell us why you prefer Prighozin to Putin. .. because I’m assuming you know nothing about him. Do you and William know that he’s more hawkish on demolishing Ukraine than Putin? It means Russian instability and weakness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, SCBills said: Tell us why you prefer Prighozin to Putin. .. because I’m assuming you know nothing about him. Do you and William know that he’s more hawkish on demolishing Ukraine than Putin? 👆🤡👇 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: Wow https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/feud-between-moscow-wagner-group-214329810.html It means Russian instability and weakness. Instability and a wild card leader (who’s more bloodthirsty than Putin), with access to nuclear weapons. Sounds great. Edited June 24, 2023 by SCBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, SCBills said: Instability and a wild card leader (who’s more bloodthirsty than Putin), with access to nuclear weapons. Sounds great. Nothing new. Listen to Daniel Ellsberg's interview on npr. from 2016 I think but they played it today. He started in nuclear war planning. He stated that the equivalent of district governors could order nuclear launches under Kruschev, Nuclear loaded subs were cruising the caribbean during the Cuban missile crisis. All that said, I'm not sure there's anyone I trust less than Putin. We are always on a razors edge. Carpe diem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Important. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 24, 2023 Author Share Posted June 24, 2023 This is crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: This is crazy uh huh. what is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tiberius Posted June 24, 2023 Author Share Posted June 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: uh huh. what is? Russia losing control of a city, this looks really serious 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Sounds like this is moving very quickly and very effectively from all accounts. Prighozin wanted a realignment militarily. The question now seems to be is this a coup going after Putin or a power play to get what he wants. And if he gets what he wants .. is he in control anyway? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 49 minutes ago, SCBills said: Instability and a wild card leader (who’s more bloodthirsty than Putin), with access to nuclear weapons. Sounds great. some thoughts...they're going to be fighting each other, protecting their turf. How much will be left for the fight in Ukraine? Edited June 24, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 8 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: some thoughts...they're going to be fighting each other, protecting their turf. How much will be left for the fight in Ukraine? Mafia v Mafia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 33 minutes ago, SCBills said: Sounds like this is moving very quickly and very effectively from all accounts. Prighozin wanted a realignment militarily. The question now seems to be is this a coup going after Putin or a power play to get what he wants. And if he gets what he wants .. is he in control anyway? I remain skeptical that he’s going after Putin. My guess is he wants to take over Russia’s MoD, which he has been feuding with from day one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, BillStime said: Mafia v Mafia Montagues vs capulets, sharks vs Jets, bastards vs bastards in real life... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Joe Ferguson forever Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 15 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: I remain skeptical that he’s going after Putin. My guess is he wants to take over Russia’s MoD, which he has been feuding with from day one. if he takes over the military, he takes over the country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 14 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: if he takes over the military, he takes over the country I sincerely doubt that the man known as “Putin’s Chef” is trying to oust Putin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Joe Ferguson forever Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 8 minutes ago, BillStime said: i thought that was a guided missile at that fiat/whatever. Hopefully it will be over quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Go Brandon!: https://www.politico.eu/article/putin-in-crisis-as-wagner-chief-prigozhin-declares-war-on-russian-military-leadership/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 25 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: I sincerely doubt that the man known as “Putin’s Chef” is trying to oust Putin. Yeah but why wouldn't Putin just promote him and end the drama? He is he capturing a city? Has Putin lost control to one of the General's Prigozhin wants to oust? So much isn't adding up right now. Saw some speculation that Prig is gonna get amnesty from crimes and $ from the west. Probably not the answer but maybe he got an offer he doesn't want to refuse? We will know tomorrow I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said: Yeah but why wouldn't Putin just promote him and end the drama? He is he capturing a city? Has Putin lost control to one of the General's Prigozhin wants to oust? So much isn't adding up right now. Saw some speculation that Prig is gonna get amnesty from crimes and $ from the west. Probably not the answer but maybe he got an offer he doesn't want to refuse? We will know tomorrow I hope. they are getting their asses kicked by a guy who did "dancing with the stars". It's not funny , I know, but they attacked Ukraine. Hell yes, we helped. And good on us. Edited June 24, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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