It's Time to Mandate Vaccines

[The Frankish Reich]

57 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

Another person freaking out about vaccines not working in Israel. 

 

Try this article on for size.

 

https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/israeli-data-how-can-efficacy-vs-severe-disease-be-strong-when-60-of-hospitalized-are-vaccinated

 

I'll save you the read. 

 

 

So why is Israel (and the US) going for third shots? It helps the most vulnerable AND there have been few bad outcomes. Why not minimize your risk to get and spread Covid? 

 

I'd prefer we spread the vaccine to other countries but whatever. 

 

By the way for the 2 people here who are amazed by the actual science, the mRNA technology has already been adapted to work for Delta. Being tested already. And it's also being tested now vs HIV. It's 100% the wave of the future. Someday soon we will look at injecting live/dead virus into people as middle ages technology. 

I agree. If we look back to the very early days of the germ theory of disease, we'll see that the first attempts at vaccination were really innoculation - exposing a person to a less damaging pathogen that provides at least partial immunity against a more damaging one. Today we are astounded by the crudeness of the approach, but at least we recognize it as an advance over what we had before it. Seems to me that many of the commenters here are significantly less enlightened than the ordinary educated person c. 1796.

https://www.cdc.gov/smallpox/history/history.html

 

The basis for vaccination began in 1796 when the English doctor Edward Jenner noticed that milkmaids who had gotten cowpox were protected from smallpox. Jenner also knew about variolation and guessed that exposure to cowpox could be used to protect against smallpox. To test his theory, Dr. Jenner took material from a cowpox sore on milkmaid Sarah Nelmes’ hand and inoculated it into the arm of James Phipps, the 9-year-old son of Jenner’s gardener. Months later, Jenner exposed Phipps several times to variola virus, but Phipps never developed smallpox. More experiments followed, and, in 1801, Jenner published his treatise “On the Origin of the Vaccine Inoculation.” In this work, he summarized his discoveries and expressed hope that “the annihilation of the smallpox, the most dreadful scourge of the human species, must be the final result of this practice.”

[Sundancer]

40 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I agree. If we look back to the very early days of the germ theory of disease, we'll see that the first attempts at vaccination were really innoculation - exposing a person to a less damaging pathogen that provides at least partial immunity against a more damaging one. Today we are astounded by the crudeness of the approach, but at least we recognize it as an advance over what we had before it. Seems to me that many of the commenters here are significantly less enlightened than the ordinary educated person c. 1796.

https://www.cdc.gov/smallpox/history/history.html

 

The basis for vaccination began in 1796 when the English doctor Edward Jenner noticed that milkmaids who had gotten cowpox were protected from smallpox. Jenner also knew about variolation and guessed that exposure to cowpox could be used to protect against smallpox. To test his theory, Dr. Jenner took material from a cowpox sore on milkmaid Sarah Nelmes’ hand and inoculated it into the arm of James Phipps, the 9-year-old son of Jenner’s gardener. Months later, Jenner exposed Phipps several times to variola virus, but Phipps never developed smallpox. More experiments followed, and, in 1801, Jenner published his treatise “On the Origin of the Vaccine Inoculation.” In this work, he summarized his discoveries and expressed hope that “the annihilation of the smallpox, the most dreadful scourge of the human species, must be the final result of this practice.”

 

Don't put too much faith in earlier generations:

 

 

(Yes that's real)

1 hour ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Yeah I got it, you think the vaccine lasts 8 months but you have to stick to the 6 months number because everything else you say you can't back up. I conceded the 8 months when the white house went with it because it is not a hill worth dying on. I would keep arguing with you but you literally don't answer questions and just keep linking to stuff that is not related to the 8 month time frame. 

 

Evade and avoid little man. 

 

Back this up: "in most cases the vaccine doesn't work after 6 months" 

[The Frankish Reich]

14 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

And why would I find it hard to believe that 450K NYC health care workers aren't vaccinated?

 

 

 

I just read that an NFL team is saying if you aren't vaccinated you can't come to the games unless you let them give you the shot before you go in....on site.  

 

And people will hear that and think it's awesome!

Now this is stupid. If it is meant as an incentive to get vaccinated ("come to the game and if you get a vaccine we'll give you a coupon for a free beer!), that's great. If it's "we won't let you in unless you have been previously vaccinated OR you are vaccinated in the parking lot before the game," well, that does nothing to advance public health.

 

(My mission here: to offer positive reinforcement when someone makes a decent argument or calls out a stupid policy. And, of course, to call bs on people who advance or repeat stupid arguments)

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Big Blitz]

36 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Help me out here B-Man.... .

 

So per this report on the results of the election - is the media here saying "meh it wasn't really because of turning NV into a prison promising vaccine passports.......it was more about the promises to fix the health care system."

 

Is that what these idiots are saying?

 

Federal Liberals will have to run on more than pandemic record if N.S. election is any indication: Nanos

 

 

After the Progressive Conservatives unseated the incumbent Liberals in a surprise, majority win in Nova Scotia on Tuesday night, Nanos Research’s Nik Nanos says the result could be an indication that parties will have to run on more than their pandemic record in the federal election.

 

Premier-designate Tim Houston led the Progressive Conservatives to a majority win over Iain Rankin’s Liberals after a campaign focused primarily on fixing the province’s troubled health-care system.

 

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/federal-election-2021/federal-liberals-will-have-to-run-on-more-than-pandemic-record-if-n-s-election-is-any-indication-nanos-1.5551748

 

I thought Canada's health care system was what we want to be like.  Now it's "troubled?"  Interesting.

 

 

 

While I'm sure there were specific things voters had issue with regarding the system, but was this more "we're done with your dystopian nightmare life we didn't ask for."  

[Sundancer]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Help me out here B-Man.... .

 

 

Yeah, help him out B-man. I want to see you two deeply insightful guys do a Bluenose political commentary. 

 

Should be as good as B-Man's deep insights on Scottish politics yesterday: "What who me?"

[Chef Jim]

47 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

Brilliant!! 

[Governor]

1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Now this is stupid. If it is meant as an incentive to get vaccinated ("come to the game and if you get a vaccine we'll give you a coupon for a free beer!), that's great. If it's "we won't let you in unless you have been previously vaccinated OR you are vaccinated in the parking lot before the game," well, that does nothing to advance public health.

 

(My mission here: to offer positive reinforcement when someone makes a decent argument or calls out a stupid policy. And, of course, to call bs on people who advance or repeat stupid arguments)

You could do both and set up J&J tents around the stadiums. Unvaccinated already have to bring proof of negative test.

 

That seems to be the direction Live Nation (concerts) is going moving forward.

Edited August 18, 2021 by Governor

[Chef Jim]

2 minutes ago, Governor said:

You could do both and set up J&J tents around the stadiums.

 

That seems to be the direction Live Nation (concerts) is going moving forward.

 

I guess you'd be ok with them giving everyone a breathalyzer before they hopped in their cars and drove home?  

[Governor]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

I guess you'd be ok with them giving everyone a breathalyzer before they hopped in their cars and drove home?  

No one is forcing you to go and it isn’t a right to attend a game.

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, Governor said:

No one is forcing you to go and it isn’t a right to attend a game.

 

Good luck with the lines getting in.  Be prepared to leave the tailgate at 9am to make the kickoff.  

[Governor]

5 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Good luck with the lines getting in.  Be prepared to leave the tailgate at 9am to make the kickoff.  

The NFL is watching the summer concerts very closely and I’m already assuming they will adopt some version of it. Live Nation has already been testing it out with great results.

 

https://phish.com/news/updated-covid-19-protocols-for-tour/

 

Now, all you need is vaccine tents.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Culture/live-nation-require-proof-vaccination-negative-covid-test/story?id=79497439

 

 

Edited August 18, 2021 by Governor

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, Governor said:

The NFL is watching the summer concerts very closely and I’m already assuming they will adopt some version of it. Live Nation has already been testing it out with great results.

 

Now, all you need is vaccine tents.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Culture/live-nation-require-proof-vaccination-negative-covid-test/story?id=79497439

 

LA County is now mandating masks for outdoor events of 10,000 or more.  Why 10,000? And you don't have to wear one if you're actively drinking or eating. So I anticipate zero masks at the football games.  

[Governor]

6 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

LA County is now mandating masks for outdoor events of 10,000 or more.  Why 10,000? And you don't have to wear one if you're actively drinking or eating. So I anticipate zero masks at the football games.  

I didn’t see any masks at the Jets/Giants game but I don’t know what other protocols are in place.

 
I think everyone is waiting around to see what worked and what didn’t for concerts.

[JaCrispy]

15 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

LA County is now mandating masks for outdoor events of 10,000 or more.  Why 10,000? And you don't have to wear one if you're actively drinking or eating. So I anticipate zero masks at the football games.  

Yup...just keep a beer to your lips the whole time instead of a mask...😉

[Governor]

6 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Yup...just keep a beer to your lips the whole time instead of a mask...😉

I have one of those little backpacks that has a bladder in it. I can drink with that wearing a mask. 

[Chef Jim]

11 minutes ago, Governor said:

I have one of those little backpacks that has a bladder in it. I can drink with that wearing a mask. 

 

You're the kind of guy who had a vasectomy, the wife's had her tubes tied and gone through menopause and you still wear a condom aren't you?   

[Governor]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

You're the kind of guy who had a vasectomy, the wife's had her tubes tied and gone through menopause and you still wear a condom aren't you?   

I do that after I send her through one of Putin’s Covid spray/mist chambers.

 

You can never be too careful.

[SoCal Deek]

4 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

You're the kind of guy who had a vasectomy, the wife's had her tubes tied and gone through menopause and you still wear a condom aren't you?   

There is no way the Governor has a wife....they are way too expensive! 

[Chef Jim]

5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

There is no way the Governor has a wife....they are way too expensive! 

 

For years while I was a poor Chef mine kept us afloat.  

7 minutes ago, Governor said:

I do that after I send her through one of Putin’s Covid spray/mist chambers.

 

You can never be too careful.

 

See @BillStime  this is how you do it. Lighten up dude.