Pokebball Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 19 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: No doubt some slaves learned skills that they used productively once freed. But it's ridiculously tone deaf. And I can't really think of an important reason to include it. So I must assume that it is included to satisfy the "America must not be presented as bad" guys. Think about similar jaw-droppingly stupid things we could say in a "fair and balanced" look at various atrocities. - The Holocaust was the worst abuse of humanity in the history of the world. Having said that, some Jews who escaped with their lives had developed survival skills that contributed to their success in building the state of Israel. - The Irish Potato Famine was caused or exacerbated by colonial British policies that led to the starvation and exodus of millions. But for those who survived and remained in Ireland, it spurred them to innovate and diversify their economy. It is the logical outgrowth of a political stunt led by DeSantis. One that he doesn't have the guts to defend on the merits now. Oh, he'll take credit for changes to the curriculum. Just not this change, which he won't even bother to defend on the merits. "I didn't write it." Kamala 1, Ron 0. Ouch. You need to direct your partisan criticism to the two authors of this new curriculum. Wanna guess their race? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 54 minutes ago, B-Man said: Leftists lying ? Good thing that I was sitting down. CHARLES COOKE: Kamala Harris Is Brazenly Lying about Florida’s Slavery Curriculum. NBC reports that Kamala Harris intends to visit Florida today to criticize its new school curriculum: In remarks Thursday, Harris blasted efforts in some states to ban books and “push forward revisionist history.” “Just yesterday in the state of Florida, they decided middle school students will be taught that enslaved people benefited from slavery,” she said at a convention for the traditionally Black sorority Delta Sigma Theta Inc. “They insult us in an attempt to gaslight us, and we will not stand for it.” This is a brazen lie. It’s an astonishing lie. It’s an evil lie. It is so untrue — so deliberately and cynically misleading — that, in a sensible political culture, Harris would be obligated to issue an apology. Instead, NBC confirms that she will repeat the lie today during a speech in Jacksonville. I have been trying to work out how best to illustrate the sheer scale of Harris’s falsehood, and I’ve come to the conclusion that the only way to achieve it is to list in one place all the relevant parts of the course about which she is complaining. So, below, I have copied and pasted every single reference to slavery, slaves, abolitionism, civil rights, and African Americans that is in the document. For those interested, the full curriculum (along with the curriculum for the teaching of the Holocaust) is here. The list is extremely long. That’s because, pace Harris, there’s a lot in there. If you are able to read it and conclude that the single reference to slaves developing skills (which I’ve bolded) is indicative of the narrative direction of the course, rather than a tiny (and correct) part of it, then you are beyond saving and you deserve to live your life as an ignoramus. Rest at the link: https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/kamala-harris-is-brazenly-lying-about-floridas-slavery-curriculum/ https://www.fldoe.org/core/fileparse.php/20653/urlt/6-4.pdf Shame that writers like this need to waste everyones time defending ridiculous, deliberately inflammatory, culture/class warfare policies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 2 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: No doubt some slaves learned skills that they used productively once freed. But it's ridiculously tone deaf. And I can't really think of an important reason to include it. So I must assume that it is included to satisfy the "America must not be presented as bad" guys. Think about similar jaw-droppingly stupid things we could say in a "fair and balanced" look at various atrocities. - The Holocaust was the worst abuse of humanity in the history of the world. Having said that, some Jews who escaped with their lives had developed survival skills that contributed to their success in building the state of Israel. - The Irish Potato Famine was caused or exacerbated by colonial British policies that led to the starvation and exodus of millions. But for those who survived and remained in Ireland, it spurred them to innovate and diversify their economy. So in short based on these two examples, your position is; Why focus on overcoming adversity when you can focus on victimization instead. oh that’s right because if you convince people they are helpless victims, then they buy they need government to save them. It all ties together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: So in short based on these two examples, your position is; Why focus on overcoming adversity when you can focus on victimization instead. oh that’s right because if you convince people they are helpless victims, then they buy they need government to save them. It all ties together. You can tell when a politician knows an argument is a loser. They do what DeSantis did: disclaim any knowledge or involvement in it, and hope that it blows away after this news cycle. You can also tell when a politician knows an argument is a winner. They immediately try to focus attention on the gaffe, even sending one of their weaker surrogates (Kamala) right into the mix. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 (edited) 51 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: You can tell when a politician knows an argument is a loser. They do what DeSantis did: disclaim any knowledge or involvement in it, and hope that it blows away after this news cycle. You can also tell when a politician knows an argument is a winner. They immediately try to focus attention on the gaffe, even sending one of their weaker surrogates (Kamala) right into the mix. you can tell when people are gullible unaware uninformed and easily misled too. Here is the actual standards document. please point out the proslavery propaganda? https://www.fldoe.org/core/fileparse.php/20653/urlt/6-4.pdf how dare they focus on black Americans’ achievements?? This is terrible for our youth. Edited July 22, 2023 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 8 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: No doubt some slaves learned skills that they used productively once freed. But it's ridiculously tone deaf. And I can't really think of an important reason to include it. So I must assume that it is included to satisfy the "America must not be presented as bad" guys. Think about similar jaw-droppingly stupid things we could say in a "fair and balanced" look at various atrocities. - The Irish Potato Famine was caused or exacerbated by colonial British policies that led to the starvation and exodus of millions. But for those who survived and remained in Ireland, it spurred them to innovate and diversify their economy. Teaching facts is now tone deaf? Teaching that black people had worth as real people, not just as slaves, is stupid? But it is great to picked the one event that helped shape america as much as any other event outside our borders. There are more Irish Americans in MA then all of Ireland, it is why I am here, and 7 of the past 9 presidents have all had the same ancestorial home. So mentioning the good that came from it does not forgive the sin but it allows us to see the fuller picture. Only a moron cares if a fact is uncomfortable, so long as you can learn from it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said: Teaching facts is now tone deaf? Teaching that black people had worth as real people, not just as slaves, is stupid? But it is great to picked the one event that helped shape america as much as any other event outside our borders. There are more Irish Americans in MA then all of Ireland, it is why I am here, and 7 of the past 9 presidents have all had the same ancestorial home. So mentioning the good that came from it does not forgive the sin but it allows us to see the fuller picture. Only a moron cares if a fact is uncomfortable, so long as you can learn from it. And while not exactly akin to slavery, at one time the Irish immigrants were at the bottom of the melting pot, and so many could only take civil servant jobs (thus Irish cops). They used those opportunities to springboard themselves into the mainstream of America. Another inconvenient truth for those peddling in race hate. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 That's piss poor of Harris and she knows it. That's my take when reading through this stupid controversy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 DeSantis rebooting his campaign and burning lots of $. Major donors/controllers losing faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 4 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: DeSantis rebooting his campaign and burning lots of $. Major donors/controllers losing faith. You claimed last week that DeSantis is getting a ton of money from Big Pharma, where did you get that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 This guy is a fn DeSaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Wise words from a brilliant man. Maybe if pundits and commentators took the time to listen to Dr. Allen, the conversation would be productive and useful, rather than name calling and casting aspersions on well intended people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 On 7/22/2023 at 2:55 PM, Over 29 years of fanhood said: https://www.fldoe.org/core/fileparse.php/20653/urlt/6-4.pdf Again… read the law what’s wrong with this- someone step up and advise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 55 minutes ago, B-Man said: Even CNN . . . . . . . . lol CNN Panelist Unloads on Kamala Harris, She 'Completely Made-up' Allegations About Florida's Curriculum By Bob Hoge https://redstate.com/bobhoge/2023/07/23/auto-draft-96-n781148 and here we have a couple of pages here on PPP was wasted on the fake narrative about the Florida education curriculum, just because the usual suspects hate Governor Desantis. the absolutely ridiculous aspect of this latest tirade is, yes, there is a history section about the skills slaves developed…. Sorry. It happened. And it’s In between a lot of great African American achievements and and pointing to the tyranny of slavery. liberal brainwashed idiots might actually be the biggest problem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 (edited) On 7/22/2023 at 8:13 PM, SoCal Deek said: And while not exactly akin to slavery, at one time the Irish immigrants were at the bottom of the melting pot, and so many could only take civil servant jobs (thus Irish cops). They used those opportunities to springboard themselves into the mainstream of America. Another inconvenient truth for those peddling in race hate. yeah, they weren't slaves. Some were indentured servants but I'll bet few of those became "lace Irish"... https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/shanty-lace-curtain-irish This isn't really a culture war, now is it? Edited July 24, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 No one listens to or takes Kammy seriously anyway. But when she gets booted from the ticket... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 On 7/22/2023 at 11:30 AM, The Frankish Reich said: No doubt some slaves learned skills that they used productively once freed. But it's ridiculously tone deaf. And I can't really think of an important reason to include it. So I must assume that it is included to satisfy the "America must not be presented as bad" guys. Think about similar jaw-droppingly stupid things we could say in a "fair and balanced" look at various atrocities. - The Holocaust was the worst abuse of humanity in the history of the world. Having said that, some Jews who escaped with their lives had developed survival skills that contributed to their success in building the state of Israel. - The Irish Potato Famine was caused or exacerbated by colonial British policies that led to the starvation and exodus of millions. But for those who survived and remained in Ireland, it spurred them to innovate and diversify their economy. Your statement now is even funnier since we have learned that a panel of black scholars had worked to get this standard added to the curriculum. Your comment that these black scholars are "jaw-droppingly stupid" might be the most racist thing on this board since you believe that these facts are not worthy of your time and how dare they insult you. https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2023/07/24/cnn-commentator-rips-kamala-harris-over-claim-about-fla-slavery-curriculum/amp/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 “Any attempt to reduce slaves to just victims of oppression fails to recognize their strength, courage and resiliency during a difficult time in American history,” the joint statement said. “Florida students deserve to learn how slaves took advantage of whatever circumstances they were in to benefit themselves and the community of African descendants.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 7 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said: Your statement now is even funnier since we have learned that a panel of black scholars had worked to get this standard added to the curriculum. Your comment that these black scholars are "jaw-droppingly stupid" might be the most racist thing on this board since you believe that these facts are not worthy of your time and how dare they insult you. https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2023/07/24/cnn-commentator-rips-kamala-harris-over-claim-about-fla-slavery-curriculum/amp/ Maybe you want to compare what I actually said to how you've characterized it. I thought you were better than this. I've actually asked for you to share your experience as an educator regarding some points of agreement or disagreement. This is the worst kind of response. On 7/22/2023 at 9:30 AM, The Frankish Reich said: Think about similar jaw-droppingly stupid things we could say in a "fair and balanced" look at various atrocities. What I actually said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 28 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Maybe you want to compare what I actually said to how you've characterized it. I thought you were better than this. I've actually asked for you to share your experience as an educator regarding some points of agreement or disagreement. This is the worst kind of response. What I actually said. Your comment was that the topic was too jaw droppingly stupid to discuss despite being factually accurate. You were so busy being political that you were extremely insulting to anyone who could think was a good idea. Your opinion appears to have changed when the person presenting it was changed to different race. I will ask directly, do you still think the standard is stupid? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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