Bad Things Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 17 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: They definitely need to make use of ETFE panels. All the new stadiums are taking advantage of it. Imagine having the outside of the stadium lit up in Bills colors on gameday. Or all white on a snow day. Or a Zubaz pattern 😆 In Orchard Park? 🤭 How much do you think the extra cost would be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Bad Things said: In Orchard Park? 🤭 How much do you think the extra cost would be? I don't think it's super expensive. I assume the 4 or 5 most recent NFL stadiums have used it because it's become more affordable and applicable. However, the stuff's been around for like 30+ years. I'm not envisioning it being used for 100% of the outside and look like bubble wrap, but it could be heavily incorporated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 Hatred for the Pegulas is 100% due to the Sabres. Their incredibly mismanaged handling of the team, coupled with the incredibly tone-deaf internal statements made to employees in that organization about "maintaining lifestyle" effectively turned all the hockey fans in the area against them. The hockey media tries their best to maintain the antagonistic relationship between fans and players too. Problem is that hatred is completely misplaced here, as the football team has competent leadership and is a good product on the field. The leaked report claiming the Pegulas wanted 100% publicly financed stadium + money for redoing the Sabres facilities was completely false and obviously leaked from a party hoping to turn the public against the ownership. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 Just now, LeGOATski said: Yeah, because we'll all be whiny old geezers by then, who don't want to sit outside. I'm getting there. The way the league is expanding the number of games means we're going to get more home games in December and January. The home viewing experience will continue to get better. The combination of wind off the lake and cold winter temperatures makes for the worst weather conditions of any franchise in the league. When this team gets back to mediocre where going to see a lot of empty seats again in December and January. Not to mention they'll have more trouble with season ticket sales and attracting free agents. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 26 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: They definitely need to make use of ETFE panels. All the new stadiums are taking advantage of it. Imagine having the outside of the stadium lit up in Bills colors on gameday. Or all white on a snow day. Or a Zubaz pattern 😆 This is exactly the kind of thing I expect(useless bells and whistles), and will be a huge waste of money as opposed to building a stadium with a fixed roof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Welp, I'm gonna take them at their (now repeated) word and buy in on the stadium staying in OP. Surprised. Disappointed (for Buffalo). But hey, it means we're more likely to keep tailgating, so fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: I'm getting there. The way the league is expanding the number of games means we're going to get more home games in December and January. The home viewing experience will continue to get better. The combination of wind off the lake and cold winter temperatures makes for the worst weather conditions of any franchise in the league. When this team gets back to mediocre where going to see a lot of empty seats again in December and January. Not to mention they'll have more trouble with season ticket sales and attracting free agents. Thankfully, Buffalo has better fans than that. I mean, look at Miami and Jax. They can't get fans in there even when the weather is beautiful... You're overreacting with the concerns about weather and fans. Even during the drought years, Buffalo was fine. As far as cost for new stadiums go, the Pegula proposal is actually relatively low, so I don't believe they'll be pricing fans out. People fear the worst, but the Pegula plan is to be cost effective and keep the place rocking and roaring like it's always been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, BTB said: This is exactly the kind of thing I expect(useless bells and whistles), and will be a huge waste of money as opposed to building a stadium with a fixed roof. A fixed roof is a waste of money. Might as well put that money into something else or cut the extra cost altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Ever think they don't want a roof , and the majority don't either Buffalonians don't cry about the weather .. when you hit an old age like my father you just don't go to cold games.. a dome is anti buffalo Don’t take your opinion and automatically assume that the “majority” don’t want a fixed roof stadium. Do you have numbers to back it up? Perfect example...the comeback game. Blacked out because it wasn’t sold out. Where were all the diehards that January that absolutely love outside football in the middle of winter? 14 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: A fixed roof is a waste of money. Might as well put that money into something else or cut the extra cost altogether. Explain how it is a waste of money? Edited August 20, 2021 by BTB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Ever think they don't want a roof , and the majority don't either Buffalonians don't cry about the weather .. when you hit an old age like my father you just don't go to cold games or embrace it with the fans.. a dome is anti buffalo the majority don't want a roof? Many polls have been made on that topic and it is pretty split down the middle. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 Just now, PrimeTime101 said: the majority don't want a roof? Many polls have been made on that topic and it is pretty split down the middle. I’ll wait to see the results of these “many polls”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, BTB said: Explain how it is a waste of money? They don't need a roof at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: They don't need a roof at all. You must have been your HS debate team captain. 😂 Edited August 20, 2021 by BTB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: Because Jim Kelly wasn't playing lol and Bills fans are more fickle than you think Our fans are passionate but we don't sell out every game historically... And we've sold out plenty of cold games lol from the rock pile on Cleveland, rust belt , no dome.. Pitt , rust belt, no dome... Philadelphia, rust belt , no dome , GB , blue collar , no dome, NE , in New England , no dome Buffalo is as blue collar if not more than all of them.. and the city embraces the elements Are there thousands or even 30-40k that would like a dome? Sure But there's hundreds of thousands of people in the city who embrace the elements.. and another hundred thousand in the suburbs For as much as the weather effects our team, it effects the other team more because they don't have Josh Allen.. same in the Kelly days.. and the Kemp , lamonica days Buffalo's a tough city, we embrace adverse conditions and always have When you get on one of your exaggeration rides, there is no arguing with you. I will move on. PS Buffalo hasn’t been a blue collar city for at least three decades...maybe more. 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: That's the cheapest possible way they could build a new stadium so it benefits the owners in that regard. The myopic decision of an outdoor stadium will be the biggest regret when we look back at this process 30 years from now. I agree, but the fans wanted open air and OP because cost and Tailgating were cited in multiple studies as the top things fans wanted. For the city of Buffalo, for the long term enjoyment, and the development of the area - it is by far the most short sighted decision as basically you are replacing one with another and there is little benefit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 55 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: the majority don't want a roof? Many polls have been made on that topic and it is pretty split down the middle. 25 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Because Jim Kelly wasn't playing lol and Bills fans are more fickle than you think Our fans are passionate but we don't sell out every game historically... And we've sold out plenty of cold games lol from the rock pile on Cleveland, rust belt , no dome.. Pitt , rust belt, no dome... Philadelphia, rust belt , no dome , GB , blue collar , no dome, NE , in New England , no dome Buffalo is as blue collar if not more than all of them.. and the city embraces the elements Are there thousands or even 30-40k that would like a dome? Sure But there's hundreds of thousands of people in the city who embrace the elements.. and another hundred thousand in the suburbs For as much as the weather effects our team, it effects the other team more because they don't have Josh Allen.. same in the Kelly days.. and the Kemp , lamonica days Buffalo's a tough city, we embrace adverse conditions and always have I believe you are correct it is about a 50/50 mix of people wanting fixed roof and people wanting open air. It bounces a bit back and forth either way. As to the idea that we have sold out plenty of games even during the drought - that is just crazy talk. The running joke for most of the early 2000’s - was the cost of Bills tickets on the resale market starting in November. Most years you could get resale tickets on Stub Hub for under $5 a ticket. The Comeback game wasn’t the only late season game during the Super Bowl run that didn’t sell out - it was quite common with Ralph having to by up 2-3000 tickets and give them away. The other misconceptions is that the weather effects other teams more - that is a false narrative- the weather makes the 2 teams more closely matched because each team loses the ability to play the game to the best of their ability. The wind in the Ravens game basically kept the Ravens in the game as teams only moved the ball going in 1 direction. Bad weather/windy games help strong running teams and hurt passing teams and if we want to have an elite offense built on Josh Allen’s arm - we should be doing everything to maximize that. Yes he can throw the better and farther than most, but if the wind is causing issues with every throw going in one direction a team built like the Pats is going to have a huge advantage coming into OP late in the year. The same thing goes for a team like Cleveland or Tennessee in the playoffs - if we have home field and the weather is crap - we hamper our own ability - while enhancing others. 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 According to the Patriots* fan forum, New York State, and Buffalo are broke, and there is no way a new stadium is going to be built anywhere in WNY, and the Pegula's are definitely going to move the Bills, and we will all be very sad. Also, the "jury is still out" on Josh Allen, and now that we overpaid him, he's not going to try hard anymore, and will regress, and even if he doesn't, he's going to get injured because he's a "running quarterback," and boy are we gonna regret all that guaranteed money. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: According to the Patriots* fan forum, New York State, and Buffalo are broke, and there is no way a new stadium is going to be built anywhere in WNY, and the Pegula's are definitely going to move the Bills, and we will all be very sad. Also, the "jury is still out" on Josh Allen, and now that we overpaid him, he's not going to try hard anymore, and will regress, and even if he doesn't, he's going to get injured because he's a "running quarterback," and boy are we gonna regret all that guaranteed money. The patriots fan forum ?? Lol. People actually read that forum🤣🤣😂😂. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 (edited) 56 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: The patriots fan forum ?? Lol. People actually read that forum🤣🤣😂😂. I've really been paying attention to the forums for all three of our divisions rivals. It's been interesting to get a bead on other fan's perceptions. And, they pay a lot of attention to the practices, so it can be informative. The Dolphins forum has been super active, and there seems to be a lot of optimism in Miami. Rightfully so, I'd say. Some of the clips of Waddle are especially impressive. That dude is going to ball. The Jets forum, as to be expected, has become a chronicle of sadness. The Patriots* forum is as obnoxious as ever. It's sort of the Breitbart comments section of fan forums. They have a 100+ page thread, that gets added to daily, celebrating the misfortunes (including injuries) of the Jets. It's interesting though, how much they project onto the Bills-- "Last season was a fluke," "McDermott is a flash in the pan," "Allen will get injured," "they'll never get a new stadium," etc. Their fear of the Bills becoming dominant is almost palpable. Edited August 20, 2021 by Rocky Landing 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 There's a lot of posts about how "they" should poll more of the fans for their opinion on the stadium design. Don't you think they should poll the Taxpayers that will be footing the bill? I live on the other side of the planet, and to be honest, my opinions shouldn't count for anything on this. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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