Critical Race Theory

[Tiberius]

24 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

.........It is, hence parents (of all races) concern across the U.S.

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, someone wrote a book? So? 
 

Still no showing it used in classroom? 

[716er]

Just now, B-Man said:

 

 

 

Adults CAN and do have different ideas about things.

 

 

 

Indeed - which is why they study multiple theories of education in university. One of them is CRT.

 

GASP

[Chef Jim]

8 minutes ago, 716er said:

Proof CRT is a boogeyman above and in socals post - y’all can’t agree on WTF it even is.

 

Class dismissed 

 

Of course we can't agree.  Some of the smartest minds out there (black and white) can't agree on what it is and what it represents.  Hence our concern (AGAIN) of it potentially being taught to children.  

 

You close your ears/eyes/mind by dismissing class.  Leave the debate to the adults.  

8 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Oh, someone wrote a book? So? 
 

Still no showing it used in classroom? 

 

We're concerned with how it will be presented and in my mind we have every reason to be.  Sorry you (and the others) can't wrap you minds around that. 

[B-Man]

Just now, Tiberius said:

Oh, someone wrote a book? So? 
 

Still no showing it used in classroom? 

 

 

Oh my God in heaven !

 

You kids are beyond help.

 

"You can't show me any example"?

 

Well here are some parents and organizations across the country who are fighting against CRT.

 

"I don't know if those are real parents"

 

Well, here are schoolbooks that are being used by teachers across the country.

 

How do I know if those are real"?

 

 

Hopeless Charlie Brown, simply hopeless...........

 

 

 

 

9 minutes ago, 716er said:

Indeed - which is why they study multiple theories of education in university. One of them is CRT.

 

GASP

 

 

Indeed.

 

Except we are discussing the continued introduction of Critical Race Theory into our High Schools and Elementary Schools.

 

GROAN.

 

 

[716er]

3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Of course we can't agree.  Some of the smartest minds out there (black and white) can't agree on what it is and what it represents.  Hence our concern (AGAIN) of it potentially being taught to children.  

 

 

Lol

3 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Oh my God in heaven !

 

You kids are beyond help.

 

"You can't show me any example"?

 

Well here are some parents and organizations across the country who are fighting against CRT.

 

"I don't know if those are real parents"

 

Well, here are schoolbooks that are being used by teachers across the country.

 

How do I know if those are real"?

 

 

Hopeless Charlie Brown, simply hopeless...........

 

 

 

 

Those parents and orgs fighting CRT might as well be fighting the Flying Spaghetti Monster 

[Chef Jim]

3 minutes ago, 716er said:

Lol

 

Go on........

3 minutes ago, 716er said:

Those parents and orgs fighting CRT might as well be fighting the Flying Spaghetti Monster 

 

Would you be content with religion being taught in schools?

[716er]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Go on........

 

Would you be content with religion being taught in schools?

I am content with teaching the philosophies, histories, and roles of religion throughout the ancient to modern eras, yes. (It’s already taught, Jimbo).

[Tiberius]

12 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Oh my God in heaven !

 

You kids are beyond help.

 

"You can't show me any example"?

 

Well here are some parents and organizations across the country who are fighting against CRT.

 

"I don't know if those are real parents"

 

Well, here are schoolbooks that are being used by teachers across the country.

 

How do I know if those are real"?

 

 

Hopeless Charlie Brown, simply hopeless...........

 

 

 

 

 

 

Indeed.

 

Except we are discussing the continued introduction of Critical Race Theory into our High Schools and Elementary Schools.

 

GROAN.

 

 

No, showing covers of books doesn’t mean anything. You still got nothing 

16 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Of course we can't agree.  Some of the smartest minds out there (black and white) can't agree on what it is and what it represents.  Hence our concern (AGAIN) of it potentially being taught to children.  

 

You close your ears/eyes/mind by dismissing class.  Leave the debate to the adults.  

 

We're concerned with how it will be presented and in my mind we have every reason to be.  Sorry you (and the others) can't wrap you minds around that. 

How is it being presented? What are teachers teaching the kids that upset you? I mean concern you?

[Chef Jim]

3 minutes ago, 716er said:

I am content with teaching the philosophies, histories, and roles of religion throughout the ancient to modern eras, yes. (It’s already taught, Jimbo).

 

Is there a large segment of the population that doesn't feel the way you do about religion being taught in schools? 

[716er]

Just now, Chef Jim said:

 

Is there a large segment of the population that doesn't feel the way you do about religion being taught in schools? 

There’s a difference between religion being taught in schools and learning about religion in school.

 

The former few people agree with, the latter most do, unless as you imply, a large segment disagrees. Can you link that data?

[Chef Jim]

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

How is it being presented? What are teachers teaching the kids that upset you? I mean concern you?

 

 

Good ***** Lord.  Again for the 12,000th time it's not how it IS being taught.  It's how it COULD BE taught by teachers with an agenda/narrative.  That is could very likely be taught in a way that is divisive.  Do you not think that is a legitimate concern?   

 

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Is there a large segment of the population that doesn't feel the way you do about religion being taught in schools? 

Taught about religion, or indoctrination of religion? 

[Chef Jim]

Just now, 716er said:

There’s a difference between religion being taught in schools and learning about religion in school.

 

The former few people agree with, the latter most do, unless as you imply, a large segment disagrees. Can you link that data?

 

I'm talking religion being taught in schools.  Why do few people want religion taught in schools? 

[Tiberius]

Just now, Chef Jim said:

 

 

Good ***** Lord.  Again for the 12,000th time it's not how it IS being taught.  It's how it COULD BE taught by teachers with an agenda/narrative.  That is could very likely be taught in a way that is divisive.  Do you not think that is a legitimate concern?   

 

If you could give an example of what you are concerned about it might help me evaluate what concerns you. 

[Chef Jim]

Just now, Tiberius said:

Taught about religion, or indoctrination of religion? 

 

What's the difference?  It could be taught in such a way that it could be a form of indoctrination.  

[716er]

1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:

 

I'm talking religion being taught in schools.  Why do few people want religion taught in schools? 

Separation of church and state

[Chef Jim]

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

If you could give an example of what you are concerned about it might help me evaluate what concerns you. 

 

This didn't take long.........

 

https://www.heritage.org/education/commentary/im-former-teacher-heres-how-your-children-are-getting-indoctrinated-leftist

1 minute ago, 716er said:

Separation of church and state

 

That's would be great if that's what the separation of church and state were about.  Try again.  

Edited June 16, 2021 by Chef Jim

[716er]

1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:

 

This didn't take long.........

 

https://www.heritage.org/education/commentary/im-former-teacher-heres-how-your-children-are-getting-indoctrinated-leftist

 

That's great if that's what that was about.  Try again.  

That’s like, my opinion, man.

If you have facts let’s hear them.

 

[Buffalo716]

Anything that is supposed to divide us should not be taught in schools

 

Let alone something that is far from an actual fact

 

Bringing up race all day and every day just divides the races more

 

And you know what. There's actually only one race. The Human race and that's a fact , not an opinion 

 

 

 

Edited June 16, 2021 by Buffalo716

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, 716er said:

That’s like, my opinion, man.

If you have facts let’s hear them.

 

 

I'm sorry.  Which of my points was this regarding?

[716er]

Heritage dot org

 

Might as well link to Rush Limbaugh

Just now, Chef Jim said:

 

I'm sorry.  Which of my points was this regarding?

Like usual I have no idea what the ***** you’re talking about 

[Chef Jim]

Just now, 716er said:

Heritage dot org

 

Might as well link to Rush Limbaugh

Like usual I have no idea what the ***** you’re talking about 

 

So you're saying the person quoted in the article was lying?  

[716er]

Just now, Chef Jim said:

 

So you're saying the person quoted in the article was lying?  

He has an obvious agenda.

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, 716er said:

He has an obvious agenda.

 

What's his agenda? 

[Tiberius]

8 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

What's the difference?  It could be taught in such a way that it could be a form of indoctrination.  

What’s the difference? 

 

Why did i reply to you? 

 

You cant even understand the difference between teaching and indoctrination 

 

You are bad. Mentally. Very weak. 

[716er]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

What's his agenda? 

To provide something for you and other alt-righters to felate over

Edited June 16, 2021 by 716er

[Chef Jim]

Just now, Tiberius said:

What’s the difference? 

 

Why did i reply to you? 

 

You cant even understand the difference between teaching and indoctrination 

 

You are bad. Mentally. Very weak. 

 

Yes what is the difference?  Can something be taught in such a way that is indoctrinates?  You call me weak minded.  You're closed minded.  

[716er]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

What’s the difference? 

 

Why did i reply to you? 

 

You cant even understand the difference between teaching and indoctrination 

 

You are bad. Mentally. Very weak. 

He’s what Tom would call an ‘idiot’

[Chef Jim]

Just now, 716er said:

To provide something for you and other alt-righters to felate over

 

I see.  And you, of course, have no proof of that either.  So this will go nowhere.

 

How about let's go back to your poor separation of church and state.  You do realize that has nothing to do with religion being taught in schools correct? 

1 minute ago, 716er said:

He’s what Tom would call an ‘idiot’

 

I'm an idiot when you can't even tell us why CRT is fine to teach in schools.  You have made no argument.  

[716er]

3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

 

How about let's go back to your poor separation of church and state.  You do realize that has nothing to do with religion being taught in schools correct? 

 

Share your knowledge and inform then, Jim.

[SoCal Deek]

12 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

I see.  And you, of course, have no proof of that either.  So this will go nowhere.

 

How about let's go back to your poor separation of church and state.  You do realize that has nothing to do with religion being taught in schools correct? 

 

I'm an idiot when you can't even tell us why CRT is fine to teach in schools.  You have made no argument.  

Why do you even bother? All of this is nothing more than today’s thinly veiled excuse for redistribution. They know it. You know it. 

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, 716er said:

Share your knowledge and inform then, Jim.

 

Simple.  The separation of church and state was put in the First Amendment to state that the government shall not establish a "state religion".  Why many left Europe (England in particular) in the first place.   It also there to allow for the free expression of religion.  So schools can teach religion in historical context but could be used to push an agenda wouldn't you agree?  

[T master]

3 hours ago, Tiberius said:

The history of race relations should for sure be taught. Your side is all against that 

 

Apparently and as usual you didn't read my take again (plus you so conveniently forgot i'm a independent and prefer to make up my own mind and not follow or be told how my opinion should be formed) and only took out of it what you wanted and once again try to paint me as being on a side which is freakin typical !!

 

Read the second to last sentence of my previous reply which you are referencing which is MY PERSONAL take .

Never mind i'll rewrite it for you read it slow so it might sink in this time although i doubt it will ...

 

"History cannot be forgotten and should be taught as a learning tool so it isn't repeated but not in such a way to continue what you are trying to get rid of !"

 

I'll even break it down for you .

 

History cannot be forgotten - that means teach those younger so they know what happened

And should be taught - meaning in a NON BIASED (which is very important and you have no idea about) school room platform or by parents  

as a learning tool so it isn't repeated - that means to look at something and see where & how the mistakes and wrongs were made to not make the same mistakes again.

but not in such a way - this means (again NON BIASED) to bring it to a place in the younger minds not to create hate (which you have a very hard time grasping)

to continue what you are trying to get rid of - which means don't combat racism by teaching that the way to get rid of it is with more of the same ! 

 

I know that this is really hard for your brain to comprehend but i hope my break down has helped in some little way .

 

And to add to this given what the father in the video is teaching if all parents of every race, nationality, creed & color would teach what he is the way he is then racism would no longer exist but people such as you will continue to spew CRT and it may never end . 

[Tiberius]

1 hour ago, T master said:

 

Apparently and as usual you didn't read my take again (plus you so conveniently forgot i'm a independent and prefer to make up my own mind and not follow or be told how my opinion should be formed) and only took out of it what you wanted and once again try to paint me as being on a side which is freakin typical !!

 

Read the second to last sentence of my previous reply which you are referencing which is MY PERSONAL take .

Never mind i'll rewrite it for you read it slow so it might sink in this time although i doubt it will ...

 

"History cannot be forgotten and should be taught as a learning tool so it isn't repeated but not in such a way to continue what you are trying to get rid of !"

 

I'll even break it down for you .

 

History cannot be forgotten - that means teach those younger so they know what happened

And should be taught - meaning in a NON BIASED (which is very important and you have no idea about) school room platform or by parents  

as a learning tool so it isn't repeated - that means to look at something and see where & how the mistakes and wrongs were made to not make the same mistakes again.

but not in such a way - this means (again NON BIASED) to bring it to a place in the younger minds not to create hate (which you have a very hard time grasping)

to continue what you are trying to get rid of - which means don't combat racism by teaching that the way to get rid of it is with more of the same ! 

 

I know that this is really hard for your brain to comprehend but i hope my break down has helped in some little way .

 

And to add to this given what the father in the video is teaching if all parents of every race, nationality, creed & color would teach what he is the way he is then racism would no longer exist but people such as you will continue to spew CRT and it may never end . 

Seems more like you guys just want to erase the racism from the teaching of history. Like ignoring how intense and all pervasive racism was. White washing history is evil. And this attack on one way people may teach history looks more like people getting angry the truth will be told. 

 

Poverty and peonage were policies of this government and the states to oppressive blacks and that should be taught. It was a central aspect of our history 

[Chef Jim]

29 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Seems more like you guys just want to erase the racism from the teaching of history. Like ignoring how intense and all pervasive racism was. White washing history is evil. And this attack on one way people may teach history looks more like people getting angry the truth will be told. 

 

Poverty and peonage were policies of this government and the states to oppressive blacks and that should be taught. It was a central aspect of our history 

 

Stop just stop.  No one, not a goddamn one of us is wanting to erase race relations nor are we against teaching the history of race relations.  The has almost not one ***** thing to do with teaching the past.  It's how they intend to use that past to engineer the future.  The fact that you continually bring this up shows us that you aren't paying attention to anything we are saying.  Open your eyes, ears and mind.  Just as you are likely against (and rightly so)  teachers using their influence on children to push a religious agenda we're concerned that teachers will use this to push a divisive agenda.  They are so similar yet you don't see it.  

[B-Man]

47 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Seems more like you guys just want to erase the racism from the teaching of history.

 

 

It SEEMS to you.

 

But it is the exact opposite.

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

Wake up! This is about one thing. It’s always about one thing: MONEY!

How do we get a bunch of people to volunteer to give us their money? You guessed it....CRT. 
 

second verse, same as the first

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

4 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Seems more like you guys just want to erase the racism from the teaching of history. Like ignoring how intense and all pervasive racism was. White washing history is evil. And this attack on one way people may teach history looks more like people getting angry the truth will be told. 

 

Poverty and peonage were policies of this government and the states to oppressive blacks and that should be taught. It was a central aspect of our history 

You believe in CRT. Admit that you agree you are racist.

 

Own your own racist oppression and supremacy based on crt and you have some credibility in this thread. 
 

otherwise you identify as a mindless clueless troll @Tiberius. 

[All_Pro_Bills]

12 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Stop just stop.  No one, not a goddamn one of us is wanting to erase race relations nor are we against teaching the history of race relations.  The has almost not one ***** thing to do with teaching the past.  It's how they intend to use that past to engineer the future.  The fact that you continually bring this up shows us that you aren't paying attention to anything we are saying.  Open your eyes, ears and mind.  Just as you are likely against (and rightly so)  teachers using their influence on children to push a religious agenda we're concerned that teachers will use this to push a divisive agenda.  They are so similar yet you don't see it.  

The problem is they won't stop.  Because to true believers of CRT its not a theory or "teaching tool" its an ideology, a belief system.  And ideologists or people of faith are not driven or moved by logic and facts. 

Debating with believers that racism is not the core and primary driver of American culture is like arguing with Christian Fundamentalist that God does not exist.  Debating with them that we do not live in 1860 but rather 2021 is futile.  Trying to convince them that White people don't sit around all day in groups thinking of ways to discriminate against Black people is useless.  Whatever the issue or cause, Its just simply impossible to reason with ideologists and fanatics. 

But their ultimate goal is not to bring an awareness of history or eliminate racism but rather to replace and eliminate the core cultural beliefs and values of America with something that aligns with this ideology.  To impose the values of a specific sub-culture on the dominant culture.  Through coercion and if necessary through force.  This isn't about racism its about power.   Transferring power and control of society to them and people that hold similar views.  Its about using the concept of racism as leverage to gain power.  Its deception at its best.     

How stupid and weak are people that either buy into this or remain silent against their best interests?  Either compromise your values and or fight them.  For me, I don't see anything there I particularly care about going along with so the choice is pretty clear.  

 

Edited June 17, 2021 by All_Pro_Bills

[716er]

I hope the CRT Boogeyman didn’t come for anyone overnight