Georgia election laws and MLB

[BillStime]

31 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

A hack Democrat Senator (do you even know his history ?)  repeats the fake narrative about concerns about voting irregularities in his opening speech.

 

 

Wow, good thing I was sitting down when I was reading it.

 

😆

 

It's true though...lol... too many people are showing up and that's not a good thing for the GQP.

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Chef Jim]

9 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

It's true though...lol... too many people are showing up and that's not a good thing for the GQP.

 

I thought the lines were a bad thing.  Please get your stories straight.  

[BillStime]

28 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Trump and all his followers (YOU) still claim he won the election - what’s the difference 

[Big Blitz]

More please

 

 

 

[Doc]

6 hours ago, Melon said:

Grassley confirms a third of Americans lost their jobs due to the all-star game being moved. We cannot let this stand!

 

 

 

At least they only lost their jobs.  According to Joe, 2/3 of Americans died of the Chinese virus.

Edited April 20, 2021 by Doc

[B-Man]

 

 

You will be made to care...............

 

 

Home Depot, based in Georgia, had the nerve to stay silent as others screamed about Georgia’s new voting laws. Black religious leaders are now urging people to boycott the company over that silence.

 

Two Democrat governors are also applying pressure on businesses.

 

Hey, private businesses. You must get involved in politics. You cannot go about your day, provide goods and services for people, and make jobs.

 

You all must listen to the left and not question them. You must accept their interpretation of the new Georgia voting laws, even though they’re stretching the truth and lying.

 

From The New York Times:

Quote

 

The call for a boycott, led by Bishop Reginald T. Jackson, who oversees all 534 African Methodist Episcopal churches in Georgia, represents one of the first major steps to put significant economic pressure on businesses to be more vocal in opposing Republican efforts in Georgia and around the country to enact new restrictions on voting.

 

“We don’t believe this is simply a political matter,” Bishop Jackson said in an interview. “This is a matter that deals with securing the future of this democracy, and the greatest right in this democracy is the right to vote.”

 

Home Depot, Mr. Jackson said, “demonstrated an indifference, a lack of response to the call, not only from clergy, but a call from other groups to speak out in opposition to this legislation.”

 

 

Jackson wants four things:

• Speak out against the law
• Publicly oppose similar bills in other states
• Support the John Lewis Voting Rights Act in Congress
• Back litigation against the Georgia voting law

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/20/us/politics/georgia-home-depot-boycott.html

 

 

 

 

Since the usual suspects here tend to twist everything posted, I will be proactive.

 

No, this does not mean that anyone thinks that these 'leaders' don't have a right to speak.

 

The irony is that Home Depot probably thought that the best way to avoid problems would be to not "take sides"

but that shows a poor understanding of the mindset of today's extremist democrats.

 

 

[BillStime]

7 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

You will be made to care...............

 

 

Home Depot, based in Georgia, had the nerve to stay silent as others screamed about Georgia’s new voting laws. Black religious leaders are now urging people to boycott the company over that silence.

 

Two Democrat governors are also applying pressure on businesses.

 

Hey, private businesses. You must get involved in politics. You cannot go about your day, provide goods and services for people, and make jobs.

 

You all must listen to the left and not question them. You must accept their interpretation of the new Georgia voting laws, even though they’re stretching the truth and lying.

 

From The New York Times:

 

Jackson wants four things:

• Speak out against the law
• Publicly oppose similar bills in other states
• Support the John Lewis Voting Rights Act in Congress
• Back litigation against the Georgia voting law

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/20/us/politics/georgia-home-depot-boycott.html

 

 

 

 

Since the usual suspects here tend to twist everything posted, I will be proactive.

 

No, this does not mean that anyone thinks that these 'leaders' don't have a right to speak.

 

The irony is that Home Depot probably thought that the best way to avoid problems would be to not "take sides"

but that shows a poor understanding of the mindset of today's extremist democrats.

 

 

But you don’t mind the Georgia legislature punishing Delta for criticizing the suppression bill?

 

Of course not you hypocrite. 

[BillStime]

 

[oldmanfan]

10 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

You will be made to care...............

 

 

Home Depot, based in Georgia, had the nerve to stay silent as others screamed about Georgia’s new voting laws. Black religious leaders are now urging people to boycott the company over that silence.

 

Two Democrat governors are also applying pressure on businesses.

 

Hey, private businesses. You must get involved in politics. You cannot go about your day, provide goods and services for people, and make jobs.

 

You all must listen to the left and not question them. You must accept their interpretation of the new Georgia voting laws, even though they’re stretching the truth and lying.

 

From The New York Times:

 

Jackson wants four things:

• Speak out against the law
• Publicly oppose similar bills in other states
• Support the John Lewis Voting Rights Act in Congress
• Back litigation against the Georgia voting law

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/20/us/politics/georgia-home-depot-boycott.html

 

 

 

 

Since the usual suspects here tend to twist everything posted, I will be proactive.

 

No, this does not mean that anyone thinks that these 'leaders' don't have a right to speak.

 

The irony is that Home Depot probably thought that the best way to avoid problems would be to not "take sides"

but that shows a poor understanding of the mindset of today's extremist democrats.

 

 

Some Republicans wanted to boycott Disney when it had a gay pride day.  They wanted to boycott the NFL.  And on and on.  Quit pretending that political pressure on corporations is one sided.

[B-Man]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

Some Republicans wanted to boycott Disney when it had a gay pride day.  They wanted to boycott the NFL.  And on and on.  Quit pretending that political pressure on corporations is one sided.

 

Yes, both sides do that. No one ever denied that

 

But surely you can see the difference here. They are not "reacting" because an industry took a stand on the right or left.

 

They are calling for action against Home Depot, BECAUSE they wouldn't come out on their side.

 

That is very different and very dangerous.

 

Wouldn't you agree ?

 

 

 

 

 

[oldmanfan]

10 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

Yes, both sides do that. No one ever denied that

 

But surely you can see the difference here. They are not "reacting" because an industry took a stand on the right or left.

 

They are calling for action against Home Depot, BECAUSE they wouldn't come out on their side.

 

That is very different and very dangerous.

 

Wouldn't you agree ?

 

 

 

 

 

No I don't.  They are exactly the same.  Conservatives wanted to boycott Disney because they would not go along with their demands to stop recognizing gay people.  Trump wanted the NFL boycotted because he wanted the NFL to be on his side.  These are two sides of the exact same coin, and your partisanship does not allow you to see it.

 

 

[B-Man]

7 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

No I don't.  They are exactly the same.  Conservatives wanted to boycott Disney because they would not go along with their demands to stop recognizing gay people.  Trump wanted the NFL boycotted because he wanted the NFL to be on his side.  These are two sides of the exact same coin, and your partisanship does not allow you to see it.

 

 

 

I would argue that you are the one that is being blinded,

 

They are Not the same things.

 

Conservatives reacted (badly) WHEN Disney established Gay pride days.

 

Trump reacted (badly) WHEN  the NFL established many BLM tributes

 

Home Depot has not done anything................in the eyes of these liberal leaders that can not be allowed, you MUST take a political stand

 

It is completely different 

 

and much more dangerous than calling for a boycott in RESPONSE to something a business did or said.

 

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

 

 

[oldmanfan]

9 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

I would argue that you are the one that is being blinded,

 

They are Not the same things.

 

Conservatives reacted (badly) WHEN Disney established Gay pride days.

 

Trump reacted (badly) WHEN  the NFL established many BLM tributes

 

Home Depot has not done anything................in the eyes of these liberal leaders that can not be allowed, you MUST take a political stand

 

It is completely different 

 

and much more dangerous than calling for a boycott in RESPONSE to something a business did or said.

 

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

 

 

You are splitting hairs.  Citizens pressuring corporations, politicians threatening corporations.  Same coin, different sides.

[wnyguy]

4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

You are splitting hairs.  Citizens pressuring corporations, politicians threatening corporations.  Same coin, different sides.

Pressuring them for what though? Home Depot was silent on the issue, took no side, they were Switzerland, remained neutral, offered no opinion on the matter, and yet a call for boycott was raised. You don't see a difference?

[BillStime]

5 minutes ago, wnyguy said:

Pressuring them for what though? Home Depot was silent on the issue, took no side, they were Switzerland, remained neutral, offered no opinion on the matter, and yet a call for boycott was raised. You don't see a difference?

Those blacks can never get it right, right Tucker? I mean @wnyguy? 
 

They always have to meet others expectations on how to protest. 

[Chef Jim]

3 hours ago, BillStime said:

But you don’t mind the Georgia legislature punishing Delta for criticizing the suppression bill?

 

Of course not you hypocrite. 

 

Did he say he didn't have a problem with that or is that just the voices in your head?

 

Punishing or forcing private companies to choose a side in a political debate (left or right) is childish and reeks of strong arming.  

[oldmanfan]

17 minutes ago, wnyguy said:

Pressuring them for what though? Home Depot was silent on the issue, took no side, they were Switzerland, remained neutral, offered no opinion on the matter, and yet a call for boycott was raised. You don't see a difference?

There is no difference.  You want to see one to justify your right wing views.   Corporations are pressured to go along with the political aspirations either way.  Liberals are pressuring Home depot to take their side.  Conservatives pressured the NFL and Disney to take their side.  And so on.

[Chef Jim]

15 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Those blacks can never get it right, right Tucker? I mean @wnyguy? 
 

They always have to meet others expectations on how to protest. 

 

And you don't see how both sides are guilty of this?  Open your mind dude.  

[wnyguy]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

There is no difference.  You want to see one to justify your right wing views.   Corporations are pressured to go along with the political aspirations either way.  Liberals are pressuring Home depot to take their side.  Conservatives pressured the NFL and Disney to take their side.  And so on.

In your examples a position was taken by a corporation, true? In the Home Depot case no position was taken at all. also true?

[Chef Jim]

3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

There is no difference.  You want to see one to justify your right wing views.   Corporations are pressured to go along with the political aspirations either way.  Liberals are pressuring Home depot to take their side.  Conservatives pressured the NFL and Disney to take their side.  And so on.

 

Yes both sides do this.  But let me ask you who does it more often with more force?  The whole woke cancel culture?  Is that left or right? 

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Did he say he didn't have a problem with that or is that just the voices in your head?

 

Punishing or forcing private companies to choose a side in a political debate (left or right) is childish and reeks of strong arming.  

Maybe.  But that happens to bea part of political protests in this country, and has been forever.  and sometimes necessary.  Here in Indiana a few years ago when Pence tried to force through his anti-gay legislation, Eli Lilly (arguably the biggest corporate presence in the state) was pressured and they understood it would result in them not being able to hire the best and brightest.  And they brought pressure on Pence.  Voila, the law was dumped.  

1 minute ago, wnyguy said:

In your examples a position was taken by a corporation, true? In the Home Depot case no position was taken at all. also true?

Yes.  So what?

Just now, Chef Jim said:

 

Yes both sides do this.  But let me ask you who does it more often with more force?  The whole woke cancel culture?  Is that left or right? 

Oh stop with this woke culture nonsense and that one side does it with more force.  That's all crap.  Both sides of the aisle do this.  Some are more public and some are more behind the scenes.  The Republicans don't twist corporations arms to get donations and such?  Democrats as well?

 

 

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

Maybe.  But that happens to bea part of political protests in this country, and has been forever.  and sometimes necessary.  Here in Indiana a few years ago when Pence tried to force through his anti-gay legislation, Eli Lilly (arguably the biggest corporate presence in the state) was pressured and they understood it would result in them not being able to hire the best and brightest.  And they brought pressure on Pence.  Voila, the law was dumped.  

 

 

Mmmmmhmmm. And Eli Lilly came to this conclusion on their own and not forced into it by anyone threatening them with their livelihood.  

 

Voila @oldmanfan gets it!   

[wnyguy]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

Maybe.  But that happens to bea part of political protests in this country, and has been forever.  and sometimes necessary.  Here in Indiana a few years ago when Pence tried to force through his anti-gay legislation, Eli Lilly (arguably the biggest corporate presence in the state) was pressured and they understood it would result in them not being able to hire the best and brightest.  And they brought pressure on Pence.  Voila, the law was dumped.  

Yes.  So what?

So boycotting a corporation that has taken no position on the matter makes no sense. Why must a corporation be targeted for being neutral? Is it now "you're either for us or against us" ?

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Mmmmmhmmm. And Eli Lilly came to this conclusion on their own and not forced into it by anyone threatening them with their livelihood.  

 

Voila @oldmanfan gets it!   

No. people here got up in arms and also pressured Lilly.  Your pretend victimhood is amusing.

2 minutes ago, wnyguy said:

So boycotting a corporation that has taken no position on the matter makes no sense. Why must a corporation be targeted for being neutral? Is it now "you're either for us or against us" ?

I don't necessarily agree with the tactic.  I am saying that for you to cry crocodile tears about people exerting political pressure as if it the sole province of liberals is silly.

[wnyguy]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

No. people here got up in arms and also pressured Lilly.  Your pretend victimhood is amusing.

I don't necessarily agree with the tactic.  I am saying that for you to cry crocodile tears about people exerting political pressure as if it the sole province of liberals is silly.

I am not doing that at all, simply pointing out the differences in boycotting a company that has made a position known versus one that has taken no position either way. Had Home Depot claimed a side then it would seem obvious that the opposition would exert pressure on them, but to make no claim either way  and still be targeted by any political side  (left or right] makes no sense to me.

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, wnyguy said:

I am not doing that at all, simply pointing out the differences in boycotting a company that has made a position known versus one that has taken no position either way. Had Home Depot claimed a side then it would seem obvious that the opposition would exert pressure on them, but to make no claim either way  and still be targeted by any political side  (left or right] makes no sense to me.

While I decry these tactics by each side this certainly makes sense from a political movement perspective.  You put pressure on the company, they put pressure on legislators, laws then get written the way you want.  It’s only been since, like the 1780’s that this has gone on. 
 

Which is one reason I think campaigns should have only restricted public funding.

[wnyguy]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

While I decry these tactics by each side this certainly makes sense from a political movement perspective.  You put pressure on the company, they put pressure on legislators, laws then get written the way you want.  It’s only been since, like the 1780’s that this has gone on. 
 

Which is one reason I think campaigns should have only restricted public funding.

And I would stand with you in decrying these tactics by either side.

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, wnyguy said:

And I would stand with you in decrying these tactics by either side.

Agreed

[Melon]

 

John Kennedy doing his best Chef Jim impression - question after question without a moment of reflection. 

[Chef Jim]

34 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

 

Oh stop with this woke culture nonsense and that one side does it with more force.  That's all crap.  Both sides of the aisle do this.  Some are more public and some are more behind the scenes.  The Republicans don't twist corporations arms to get donations and such?  Democrats as well?

 

 

 

Woke culture is nonsense?  The left is not doing it with more force?  I have a question.  How do you get the sand out of your ears after you pull your head out of the beach?  

 

Regarding your last sentence.  Please point out where I said Republicans don't twist corporations arms.  

[B-Man]

41 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

 

Yes.  So what?

 

 

And there's the problem.

 

Too bad.

 

 

[Chef Jim]

8 minutes ago, Melon said:

 

John Kennedy doing his best Chef Jim impression - question after question without a moment of reflection. 

 

From Ms Abrams.  And I quote 

 

It shortens the time for 9 weeks for 4 weeks.  

 

It restricts the time a voter can request and return an absentee ballot. 

 

It requires a voter to have a photo or other identification that they are willing to surrender (what does this mean) in order to participate in the absentee ballot process.  

 

It eliminates over 300 hours of drop box availability.

 

It bans all out of precinct votes. 

 

It restricts the hours of operations from 7-7 to 9-5.

 

So do these above mentioned issues affect people of all walks of life?  Of all colors?  Of all political affiliation?  Yes or no?  

 

This is a list if issues with the Bill that she disagrees with which is fine and her prerogative.  But please for the LOVE OF GOD can anyone explain to me what make any of these racist?  

 

 

 

[Melon]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

But please for the LOVE OF GOD can anyone explain to me what make any of these racist?  

 

A bunch of old white dudes signing the bill in private in front of a painting of a slave plantation while at the same time a black lawmaker is arrested for knocking on the door to witness the signing.

 

Nobody said the n word, though, so I guess there isn't the magic smoking gun you need, Jim.

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, Melon said:

 

A bunch of old white dudes signing the bill in private in front of a painting of a slave plantation while at the same time a black lawmaker is arrested for knocking on the door to witness the signing.

 

Nobody said the n word, though, so I guess there isn't the magic smoking gun you need, Jim.

 

So you cannot address what's in the bill.  All you have is who signed it and where they signed it.  Come on man. Dig deep. You have to have something that specifically says it's racist?  You've all been screaming it from the mountain tops.  An email, text, witness who can say that this law was signed specifically to ***** over POC.  

 

More feels not facts.  

[T&C]

I'm pretty sure that Home Depot doesn't care who buys their plywood... this is some pretty bizarre *****:

 

https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/business/2021/04/21/black-church-leaders-call-for-home-depot-boycott-over-ga--voting-law--silence-

[Melon]

12 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

So you cannot address what's in the bill.  All you have is who signed it and where they signed it.  Come on man. Dig deep. You have to have something that specifically says it's racist?  You've all been screaming it from the mountain tops.  An email, text, witness who can say that this law was signed specifically to ***** over POC.  

 

More feels not facts.  

 

The context makes it racist. The fact you cannot see that context, that you cannot see the systemic racism that brought this bill to the floor in the first place, is unfortunate. 

 

It's been explained to you ad nauseum.

 

12 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

witness who can say that this law was signed specifically to ***** over POC.  

 

All the people screaming from the mountain tops that witnessed the bill being signed to the detriment of the Georgian impovered are not witnesses?

 

Edited April 21, 2021 by Melon

[oldmanfan]

50 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

And there's the problem.

 

Too bad.

 

 

No, the problem is that your side of the equation can’t look past your own self-centered bias.  And vice versa for the liberal mindset.

[wnyguy]

25 minutes ago, Melon said:

 

The context makes it racist. The fact you cannot see that context, that you cannot see the systemic racism that brought this bill to the floor in the first place, is unfortunate. 

 

It's been explained to you ad nauseum.

 

 

 

 

So you are saying that white people will not have to comply with the voting regulation changes and that it applies only to minorities? Well then yeah, that is racist. Oh wait, it seems it applies to people of all color and social status. Nevermind.

[oldmanfan]

58 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Woke culture is nonsense?  The left is not doing it with more force?  I have a question.  How do you get the sand out of your ears after you pull your head out of the beach?  

 

Regarding your last sentence.  Please point out where I said Republicans don't twist corporations arms.  

Just stop with your false piety.  Some people have found their political voices and are using them, and you’re butt hurt about it because they’re not the voices you favor.  I am not a fan of this kind of stuff but at least I have the decency to say I disagree regardless of which side it comes from.  
 

It is obvious who has their head stuck in the sand.  Pull yours out. Look in the mirror, and ask yourself honestly if the side you favor were doing this, as they have, you wouldn’t be all in.