H2o Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 I posted this link in the Paulson Adebo thread I created, but I figured it would be something that people would like to be able to scroll through. Without the typical Combine this year these numbers are all we have. I've always liked looking at how people measured and tested athletically, though the tape is always the most telling about any prospect. Just some other info to look at while we wrap our heads around the upcoming draft. It's updated on a daily basis by the wonderful folks at PFF (). Enjoy https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2021-nfl-draft-pro-day-schedule-pro-day-results-tracker 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 24, 2021 Author Share Posted March 24, 2021 Yolo dropped some of this yesterday, but look at Rondale Moore's 40yd dash, bench reps, and vertical. Crazy. 24 reps of 225lbs @ 180lbs is just insane. WR Rondale Moore Height: 5'7″ (1st percentile) Weight: 180 (9th) Vertical: 42.5 (99th) Bench: 24 reps (99th, done outside of pro day) 40-yard: 4.29 (98th) 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 50 minutes ago, H2o said: Yolo dropped some of this yesterday, but look at Rondale Moore's 40yd dash, bench reps, and vertical. Crazy. 24 reps of 225lbs @ 180lbs is just insane. WR Rondale Moore Height: 5'7″ (1st percentile) Weight: 180 (9th) Vertical: 42.5 (99th) Bench: 24 reps (99th, done outside of pro day) 40-yard: 4.29 (98th) I’m hesitant on him In the 1st but would take him at the end of the 2nd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 24, 2021 Author Share Posted March 24, 2021 21 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I’m hesitant on him In the 1st but would take him at the end of the 2nd I think he may sneak into the first if he checks out medically. Teams may see him as Tyreke Hill 2.0 so they take a swing. The talent is there for sure. Surtain also had some REALLY good numbers yesterday at the Alabama Pro Day as well, though he'll be long gone by our 1st CB Patrick Surtain II Height: 6'2″ (95th percentile) Weight: 208 (94th) Arm: 32 1/2 (84th) Hand: 10 (96th) Vertical: 39 (84th) Broad: 131 (92nd) Bench: 18 reps (84th) 40-yard: 4.42 (75th) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, H2o said: I think he may sneak into the first if he checks out medically. Teams may see him as Tyreke Hill 2.0 so they take a swing. The talent is there for sure. Surtain also had some REALLY good numbers yesterday at the Alabama Pro Day as well, though he'll be long gone by our 1st CB Patrick Surtain II Height: 6'2″ (95th percentile) Weight: 208 (94th) Arm: 32 1/2 (84th) Hand: 10 (96th) Vertical: 39 (84th) Broad: 131 (92nd) Bench: 18 reps (84th) 40-yard: 4.42 (75th) I think Rondale could go in the 1st, but I personally would not take him there. Surtain is going to be an all-pro CB. Edited March 24, 2021 by YoloinOhio 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 1 hour ago, H2o said: I posted this link in the Paulson Adebo thread I created, but I figured it would be something that people would like to be able to scroll through. Without the typical Combine this year these numbers are all we have. I've always liked looking at how people measured and tested athletically, though the tape is always the most telling about any prospect. Just some other info to look at while we wrap our heads around the upcoming draft. It's updated on a daily basis by the wonderful folks at PFF (). Enjoy https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2021-nfl-draft-pro-day-schedule-pro-day-results-tracker AWESOME JOB!!! Thanks for such a valuable tool 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazeduck Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 One of my guys posted in the “not getting talked about enough” thread... probably should look at a love to TE, Darren Waller style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 24, 2021 Author Share Posted March 24, 2021 13 minutes ago, glazeduck said: One of my guys posted in the “not getting talked about enough” thread... probably should look at a love to TE, Darren Waller style. Yeah, that 4.67 40yd time really hurts, as well as a 7.81 3-cone. But it makes you wonder how else would he be affected athletically with a 30lb weight gain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazeduck Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, H2o said: Yeah, that 4.67 40yd time really hurts, as well as a 7.81 3-cone. But it makes you wonder how else would he be affected athletically with a 30lb weight gain? No question. Probably free to see though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 These are crazy measurables/test times for an OT... Goodness... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 Thanks for posting this @H2o one thing seems certain, don’t trust the 40 times. There’s been like 10 sub 4.3 40 times in the last 10+ years off the top of my head. There’s like 10+ this year. Bs fosho. 5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I think Rondale could go in the 1st, but I personally would not take him there. Surtain is going to be an all-pro CB. Dude looks like a 4.48 guy to me. Idk what it is.....he just doesn’t seem that fast to my eye. What pops is his ability to run through contact vs college defenders. Lower body strength is impressive. I just don’t know how it all translates on the next level. Rd 2, sure. No higher imo 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 24, 2021 Author Share Posted March 24, 2021 8 minutes ago, NewEra said: Thanks for posting this @H2o one thing seems certain, don’t trust the 40 times. There’s been like 10 sub 4.3 40 times in the last 10+ years off the top of my head. There’s like 10+ this year. Bs fosho. Dude looks like a 4.48 guy to me. Idk what it is.....he just doesn’t seem that fast to my eye. What pops is his ability to run through contact vs college defenders. Lower body strength is impressive. I just don’t know how it all translates on the next level. Rd 2, sure. No higher imo Yeah, he definitely doesn't look that fast in pads to me. It is the "Underwear Olympics" though and he's had a full year off to do nothing, but get ready for this. Maybe a 4.4-4.45 at best. The strength is definitely insane though. To be able to get 24 reps of 225lbs @ 180lbs? That's definitely something. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 1 hour ago, glazeduck said: One of my guys posted in the “not getting talked about enough” thread... probably should look at a love to TE, Darren Waller style. He's already put on most of the weight that he could at Colorado State. He would need to add another 40 lb to play tight end He just doesn't have the frame , even though he's 6'6. He's basically maxed it out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazeduck Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: He's already put on most of the weight that he could at Colorado State. He would need to add another 40 lb to play tight end He just doesn't have the frame , even though he's 6'6. He's basically maxed it out Putting on a lot of weight in college and being maxed out are two different things. Evaluating guys' maxed-outedness is tricky business, some guys can't keep weight on, some can't even add it, others look like they're thick and yoked throughout and find a way to pack on 15 more lbs. I will say that just looking at his frame, Jackson does not look maxed out. He's thinner hipped than you'd like from a TE, but looks like he could carry another 5-10 in his lower half, and his upper body is not all that thick, despite fairly broad shoulders. I don't think it's unreasonable to say that he could carry another 10-15 in his upper half as well. And frankly, I think that's all you'd need -- I don't agree that he'd need to play at 260, because he'd really just be a glorified WR anyway (why Gruden EVER kept Darren Waller in to block is completely lost on me, but that guy has pooped things that know more about football than me, so I'll digress there)... This isn't a guy that looks maxed out to me, like H2O said, I'd be more concerned about his ability move with 20-25 more lbs on (so it's probably moot)... Edited March 24, 2021 by glazeduck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 Just now, glazeduck said: Putting on a lot of weight in college and being maxed out are two different things. Evaluating guys' maxed-outedness is tricky business, some guys can't keep weight on, some can't even add it, others look like they're thick and yoked throughout and find a way to pack on 15 more lbs. I will say that just looking at his frame, Jackson does not look maxed out. He's thinner hipped than you'd like from a TE, but looks like he could carry another 5-10 in his lower half, and his upper body is not all that thick, despite fairly broad shoulders. I don't think it's unreasonable to say that he could carry another 10-15 in his upper half as well. And frankly, I think that's all you'd need -- I don't agree that he'd need to play at 260, because he'd really just be a glorified WR anyway (why Gruden EVER kept Darren Waller in to block is completely lost on me, but that guy has pooped things that know more about football than me, so I'll digress there)... This isn't a guy that looks maxed out to me, like H2O said, I'd be more concerned about his ability move with 20-25 more lbs on (so it's probably moot)... If you're going to change positions in the NFL and Gain a lot of weight, you need to be able to keep your athleticism He's already not that fast, or agile So adding 30 lb certainly is only going to hurt his athleticism.. which is why I say he's probably maxed out As in he is the most athletic he will be at his size.. everybody can add 10 or 20 pounds of muscle, but that doesn't mean it's going to help you athletically .. some people gain 10 lb of muscle and get faster.. I don't think that's his case And you can't get on the field in our offense as a tight end if you can't block.. that's why Knox has lost reps And if you're going to just flex out a tight end, you might as well flex out Knox who is big strong and fast 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazeduck Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 32 minutes ago, H2o said: Yeah, he definitely doesn't look that fast in pads to me. It is the "Underwear Olympics" though and he's had a full year off to do nothing, but get ready for this. Maybe a 4.4-4.45 at best. The strength is definitely insane though. To be able to get 24 reps of 225lbs @ 180lbs? That's definitely something. His GPS numbers are going to be far more important than his straight-line 40 anyway. I get that 40 times are exciting, but while he may not quite have the top gear of a Tyreke Hill, I think his ability to cut and maintain the speed that he does have is pretty rare, and I think it's sort of the secret sauce to what makes 'Reke so deadly. So much about success in the draft is having a plan for the guys you're drafting. If you want this kid to be the Joey Galloway "9 all day long" show, you're probably not going to maximize his potential. 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: If you're going to change positions in the NFL and Gain a lot of weight, you need to be able to keep your athleticism He's already not that fast, or agile So adding 30 lb certainly is only going to hurt his athleticism.. which is why I say he's probably maxed out As in he is the most athletic he will be at his size.. everybody can add 10 or 20 pounds of muscle, but that doesn't mean it's going to help you athletically .. some people gain 10 lb of muscle and get faster.. I don't think that's his case And you can't get on the field in our offense as a tight end if you can't block.. that's why Knox has lost reps And if you're going to just flex out a tight end, you might as well flex out Knox who is big strong and fast I don't necessarily agree with most of this, but this is now a guy who's going undrafted, so like I said, probably moot. No need to takeover a perfectly good thread with a petty disagreement. Agree to disagree. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, glazeduck said: His GPS numbers are going to be far more important than his straight-line 40 anyway. I get that 40 times are exciting, but while he may not quite have the top gear of a Tyreke Hill, I think his ability to cut and maintain the speed that he does have is pretty rare, and I think it's sort of the secret sauce to what makes 'Reke so deadly. So much about success in the draft is having a plan for the guys you're drafting. If you want this kid to be the Joey Galloway "9 all day long" show, you're probably not going to maximize his potential. I don't necessarily agree with most of this, but this is now a guy who's going undrafted, so like I said, probably moot. No need to takeover a perfectly good thread with a petty disagreement. Agree to disagree. I don't think I'm trying to take over a thread. I just gave my opinion that I don't think he's an NFL tight end prospect This is a message board right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazeduck Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 Just now, Buffalo716 said: I don't think I'm trying to take over a thread. I just gave my opinion that I don't think he's an NFL tight end prospect This is a message board right Sorry, didn't mean you were. Just that we could probably go back and forth for awhile on something that in the end, is pretty unimportant and meaningless (pro development/lifestyle/training vs. college, reasons why Knox was benched, etc.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 Just now, glazeduck said: Sorry, didn't mean you were. Just that we could probably go back and forth for awhile on something that in the end, is pretty unimportant and meaningless (pro development/lifestyle/training vs. college, reasons why Knox was benched, etc.) I hear you. And he was an intriguing prospect before he sat out He has the body type of a James Hardy or Dorial Green Beckham.. who wouldn't want a 6'6 sleek long wide receiver if he could play at a high level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 24, 2021 Author Share Posted March 24, 2021 4 hours ago, NewEra said: Thanks for posting this @H2o one thing seems certain, don’t trust the 40 times. There’s been like 10 sub 4.3 40 times in the last 10+ years off the top of my head. There’s like 10+ this year. Bs fosho. Here's another just like you had previously mentioned. RB Kene Nwangwu Height: 6'0″ (83rd percentile) Weight: 212 (45th) Vertical: 37 (77th) Broad: 125 (87th) Bench: 22 reps (75th) 40-yard: 4.29 (99th) Short shuttle: 4.15 (80th) 3-cone: 6.75 (94th) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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glazeduck Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Still a pass from me, but impressive, for sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BuffaloRebound Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 OMG. Teams gonna be doing a lot of research on Oweh. Those are crazy good numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 25, 2021 Author Share Posted March 25, 2021 18 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I'm not buying those 40 times. No way. If you've watched either of them play there is absolutely nothing that says sub 4.4 40yd dash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 I like Oweh, but 40’s just don’t move the needle for me- especially not this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, H2o said: I'm not buying those 40 times. No way. If you've watched either of them play there is absolutely nothing that says sub 4.4 40yd dash. Oweh’s speed has always been his calling card going back to HS. He’s just never been overly productive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 25, 2021 Author Share Posted March 25, 2021 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Oweh’s speed has always been his calling card going back to HS. He’s just never been overly productive. Yeah, but I'm not believing he ran a 4.36 40. No way. I've watched him chase after RB's and QB's. It's not 4.36-ish. Maybe 4.56-ish. I know you watched him against Ohio St. this year. Do you think you saw that speed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Just now, H2o said: Yeah, but I'm not believing he ran a 4.36 40. No way. I've watched him chase after RB's and QB's. It's not 4.36-ish. Maybe 4.56-ish. I know you watched him against Ohio St. this year. Do you think you saw that speed? Not really. Shaka Toney had a better game. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazeduck Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Oweh’s speed has always been his calling card going back to HS. He’s just never been overly productive. Yep, and Parsons was supposed to test fast as well so not shocked at those numbers. Still think Oweh's a pass for me based on the lack of production and the Maybin nightmares I still suffer from. Hopefully he pushes Phillips and Ossai down the board... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 (edited) OT from Tennessee Edited March 25, 2021 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazeduck Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 1 minute ago, H2o said: Yeah, but I'm not believing he ran a 4.36 40. No way. I've watched him chase after RB's and QB's. It's not 4.36-ish. Maybe 4.56-ish. I know you watched him against Ohio St. this year. Do you think you saw that speed? Underwear/straight-line/trackshoe speed and in-game/pads-on/spatted-up/football-cleat/navigating-other-players-speed can be two VERY different things... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Man what did Rondale Moore do to his hammy that kept him out two years? Off the charts athletic. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 25, 2021 Author Share Posted March 25, 2021 I think it's safe to say Jaycee Horn from South Carolina probably made himself some $$$ yesterday too. CB Jaycee Horn Height: 6'1″ (75th percentile) Weight: 205 (91st) Arm: 33 (93rd) Vertical: 42 (97th) Broad: 133 (96th) Bench: 19 reps (89th) 40-yard: 4.39 (85th) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennstate10 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Results for PSU DE Oweh, Toney, and LB Parsons. Additional notes: PSU 40 times for Oweh and Parsons a bit faster. 4.36 and 4.39 Shaka Toney 40 4.51, vert 39.5. These three guys are all incredibly explosive athletes. Oweh broad jump of 134 inches is best ever for a DL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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H2o Posted March 26, 2021 Author Share Posted March 26, 2021 I know I've seen some people mention Darden on here as a Day 3 option. Here are his numbers below. That Short Shuttle and 3-Cone drill, wow. WR Jaelon Darden Height: 5'8″ (2nd percentile) Weight: 174 (4th) Vertical: 36 (47th) Broad: 122 (54th) Bench: 11 reps (26th) 40-yard: 4.46 (63rd) Short shuttle: 3.98 (97th) 3-cone: 6.66 (93rd) I also think I remember hearing the Bills had met with Darren Hall, CB from SDSU. Here are his #'s from his Pro Day. CB Darren Hall Height: 5'11” (49th percentile) Weight: 188 (32nd) Arm: 30 5/8 (26th) Vertical: 39 (80th) Broad: 132 (94th) Bench: 16 reps (70th) 40-yard: 4.47 (54th) Short shuttle: 4.28 (31st) 3-cone: 7.07 (26th) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 On 3/24/2021 at 4:04 PM, Buffalo716 said: I hear you. And he was an intriguing prospect before he sat out He has the body type of a James Hardy or Dorial Green Beckham.. who wouldn't want a 6'6 sleek long wide receiver if he could play at a high level Often times with these big tall lengthy WRs end up having knee and ankle issues throughout their careers. I’m not sure that these mass monsters are as good an option as some make them out to be. Very rarely do these types pan out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 On 3/24/2021 at 8:03 AM, H2o said: Yolo dropped some of this yesterday, but look at Rondale Moore's 40yd dash, bench reps, and vertical. Crazy. 24 reps of 225lbs @ 180lbs is just insane. WR Rondale Moore Height: 5'7″ (1st percentile) Weight: 180 (9th) Vertical: 42.5 (99th) Bench: 24 reps (99th, done outside of pro day) 40-yard: 4.29 (98th) I started a whole thread on this guy about a month ago and had a lot of people giving it a thumbs down...you cannot teach a 4.29 40 his numbers are insane ...trade back give me him early in the second and I’m good 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 29, 2021 Author Share Posted March 29, 2021 One of the WR's I'd love to see us grab if he's there in the 3rd, though he likely won't make it. That 6.71 3-cone at 6'4" and 215lbs to go with a 4.43 40yd dash? Nice. WR Nico Collins Height: 6'4″ Weight: 215 Arm: 34 1/8 Vertical: 37.5 Broad: 125 Bench: 14 reps 40-yard: 4.43 Short shuttle: 4.32 3-cone: 6.71 And another S/LB tweener prospect in Divine Deablo from Virginia Tech putting up solid numbers. S Divine Deablo Height: 6'3″ (98th percentile) Weight: 226 (98th) Arm: 33 (93rd) Vertical: 34 (31st) Broad: 126 (80th) Bench: 19 reps (77th) 40-yard: 4.42 (89th) Short shuttle: 4.40 (14th) 3-cone: 7.12 (23rd) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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