Moscow Marge + Lauren Bobo = the face of Putin and the QOP

[Joe Ferguson forever]

6 hours ago, Buffarukus said:

 

im not getting the point. crazy people said crazy $#/+. is it my turn to go find the insane amount of violence and quotes from blm riots now? would you like to hear about the summer of love of a democrat official that allowed armed takeovers of parts of the city before the same people killed teenagers? the murder of a "trumpers" during that time?

 

if youd like to reply to anything i said  im down for discussion. other then that the quote you pulled from a very long reply and article means what exactly? 

ummm...the point is the proud boys were planning revolution - civil war.  so there's that.  the other  groups you mentioned aren't on trial for seditious conspiracy against the USA all the while calling themselves "patriots".  patriots to white supremacists means something different than it does to regular Americans.

5 hours ago, Buffarukus said:

 

you know the funny part. trump has been in the public eye for decades. was even at one time prominent in alot of rap lyrics. met countless people. had tv shows with black people on them

 

and only when he ran for president was it discovered he is a nazi leader and racist

 

nothing on his previous 70 years on this planet? unlike your racial jungle master who is on tape repeatedly putting forth racist policy after policy after policy.

 

but he has said alot of dumb s#!÷. thats for sure.

 

i just find that convient. thats all.

he was sued and lost for racial discrimination as a landlord.  so there's that.

4 hours ago, sherpa said:

 

This part of the transcript?

 

"I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.” 

 

“Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.”

 

When he said the "fine people on both sides" thing he was talking about people on both sides of the remove the Lee statue issue, and he was correct.

This repeated lie is either gross ignorance or willful deception, and it will be just that every single time the lie is repeated.

 

Either way, he never said that those repugnant groups were fine people, and he made that point twice, as I have quoted from the transcript that you challenged people to read.

 

 

plausible deniability is what he has mastered.  It's all part of his sick shtick

[LeviF]

1 hour ago, redtail hawk said:

ummm...the point is the proud boys were planning revolution - civil war.  so there's that.  the other  groups you mentioned aren't on trial for seditious conspiracy against the USA all the while calling themselves "patriots".  patriots to white supremacists means something different than it does to regular Americans.

he was sued and lost for racial discrimination as a landlord.  so there's that.

plausible deniability is what he has mastered.  It's all part of his sick shtick

Again we ask for a definition of white supremacy that can include Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio. What do you mean when you say that he (and his organization) is white supremacist?

 

Edited February 23, 2023 by LeviF

[sherpa]

1 hour ago, redtail hawk said:

 

plausible deniability is what he has mastered.  It's all part of his sick shtick

 

In the "good people on both sides" claim, there is no attempt at plausible deniability.

He directly condemned those groups in the same interview, making sure he was understood.

 

These are the kinds of repeated lies that empower the folks who defend him against legitimate claims.

There is no need to make stuff up. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

31 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

In the "good people on both sides" claim, there is no attempt at plausible deniability.

He directly condemned those groups in the same interview, making sure he was understood.

 

These are the kinds of repeated lies that empower the folks who defend him against legitimate claims.

There is no need to make stuff up. 

just like after the bleach episode.  lying is part of his shtick too.  he actually promoted it as a biz practice in his book

33 minutes ago, LeviF said:

Again we ask for a definition of white supremacy that can include Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio. What do you mean when you say that he (and his organization) is white supremacist?

 

it's a mystery, chief shitlib, leader of the aryan chorus.

Edited February 23, 2023 by redtail hawk

[LeviF]

6 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

 

it's a mystery, chief shitlib, leader of the aryan chorus.

You can snark if you like. Or you can call me a racist nazi whatever. I don’t care. I won’t report it, I’ll barely even comment on it. Because I don’t care. 
 

But it’s becoming increasingly obvious that this is trending toward “everything I don’t like is Hitler.”

[Joe Ferguson forever]

18 hours ago, LeviF said:

 

It's a goddamn mystery, columbo.

 

[LeviF]

Can somebody, anybody tell me how a dark skinned Afro-Cuban became the leader of a white supremacist organization?

[Joe Ferguson forever]

17 hours ago, LeviF said:

Shitlib NOT attempt to derail conversation into irrelevant phrase picking challenge: IMPOSSIBLE

 

2 minutes ago, LeviF said:

Can somebody, anybody tell me how a dark skinned Afro-Cuban became the leader of a white supremacist organization?

how did Clarence Thomas become an uncle Tom married to a white election denier?

Edited February 23, 2023 by redtail hawk

[LeviF]

That’s a good try, but seeing as how you defined this entire conversation to revolve around nazis and white supremacists for whatever reason AND twice listed the proud boys as such it’s highly relevant phrase picking. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

6 minutes ago, LeviF said:

That’s a good try, but seeing as how you defined this entire conversation to revolve around nazis and white supremacists for whatever reason AND twice listed the proud boys as such it’s highly relevant phrase picking. 

maybe the fact that the congresswomen campaign at white supremacist events is relevant?

[LeviF]

23 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

maybe the fact that the congresswomen campaign at white supremacist events is relevant?

Again, I don’t know who you’re talking about. 
 

But based on your apparent definition of white supremacy I’m going to go ahead and not care. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

https://www.americanprogressaction.org/article/a-list-of-maga-republicans-who-took-the-great-replacement-theory-mainstream/

not ancient history...

Edited February 23, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Tommy Callahan]

1 hour ago, LeviF said:

You can snark if you like. Or you can call me a racist nazi whatever. I don’t care. I won’t report it, I’ll barely even comment on it. Because I don’t care. 
 

But it’s becoming increasingly obvious that this is trending toward “everything I don’t like is Hitler.”

Its amazing they think people want to have debate with voices that toss out insults and attempted put downs.

 

AD hominem has always been the white flag in debate.

 

 

Edited February 23, 2023 by Chris farley

[Joe Ferguson forever]

7 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

Its amazing they think people want to have debate with voices that toss out insults and attempted put downs.

 

 

oh the sweet irony...

so do you disagree with the American Progress piece or are you gonna leave it at an eyeroll as usual?

Edited February 23, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Doc]

7 hours ago, sherpa said:

This part of the transcript?

 

"I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.” 

 

“Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.”

 

When he said the "fine people on both sides" thing he was talking about people on both sides of the remove the Lee statue issue, and he was correct.

This repeated lie is either gross ignorance or willful deception, and it will be just that every single time the lie is repeated.

 

Either way, he never said that those repugnant groups were fine people, and he made that point twice, as I have quoted from the transcript that you challenged people to read.

 

My colleague believed that's all Trump said until I told him to Google the rest of the quote.  He had to admit he got it wrong.  Again it's amazing how well it works on them.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588067/

In the years since then, Trump has assembled a long record of comment on issues involving African Americans as well as Mexicans, Hispanics more broadly, Native Americans, Muslims, Jews, immigrants, women, and people with disabilities. His statements have been reflected in his behavior—from public acts (placing ads calling for the execution of five young black and Latino men accused of rape, who were later shown to be innocent) to private preferences (“When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” a former employee of Trump’s Castle, in Atlantic City, New Jersey, told a writer for The New Yorker).

 

Actions speak louder than words

Edited February 23, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Buffarukus]

2 hours ago, redtail hawk said:

ummm...the point is the proud boys were planning revolution - civil war.  so there's that.  the other  groups you mentioned aren't on trial for seditious conspiracy against the USA all the while calling themselves "patriots".  patriots to white supremacists means something different than it does to regular Americans.

 

 

so sedicious conspiracy is far worse then murder of children distruction of innocents property and attack of the same building and many other gov buildings repeatedly. 

 

your biased as hell

 

 

got it

 

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

Just now, Buffarukus said:

 

so sedicious conspiracy is far worse then murder of children distruction of innocents property and attack of the same building and many other gov buildings repeatedly. 

 

your biased as hell

 

 

got it

 

 

 

so trump has never demonstrated racism as you proposed?

got it

[Tommy Callahan]

4 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

so trump has never demonstrated racism as you proposed?

got it

What system of racial oppression did trump promote?

 

 

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

What system of racial oppression did trump promote?

 

 

 

 

we might start with sh!thole countries.  same basic white replacement theme....

Edited February 23, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Tommy Callahan]

Just now, redtail hawk said:

we might start with sh!thole countries

And what system of RACIAL oppression.  He wasn't the president of those ***** hole countries.

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, Chris farley said:

And what system of RACIAL oppression.  He wasn't the president of those ***** hole countries.

 

 

obtuse or dumb.  can't decide.

this statement was in reference to US immigration from Haiti and African nations.

[Tommy Callahan]

Just now, redtail hawk said:

obtuse or dumb.  can't decide.

this statement was in reference to US immigration from Haiti and African nations.

Ad hominem, white flag.

 

You could have just stated NO, you can't articulate a system of racial oppression.

 

 

5 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

we might start with sh!thole countries.  same basic white replacement theme....

ugh at that projection.

 

Why do you assume socio economic regions with high crime are white replacement?

 

seems like some Maddow, blue anon conspiracy.

[BillStime]

9 hours ago, Buffarukus said:

 

you know the funny part. trump has been in the public eye for decades. was even at one time prominent in alot of rap lyrics. met countless people. had tv shows with black people on them

 

and only when he ran for president was it discovered he is a nazi leader and racist

 

nothing on his previous 70 years on this planet? unlike your racial jungle master who is on tape repeatedly putting forth racist policy after policy after policy.

 

but he has said alot of dumb s#!÷. thats for sure.

 

i just find that convient. thats all.

 

You know what is funny?  Your ignorance.

 

The Central Park 5 guys are LAUGHING AT YOU RIGHT NOW.  C'mon, you know those five black and Latino teenagers who were wrongly convicted of the brutal rape of a jogger in NYC - didn't stop Trump from for advocating for the death penalty.

 

Trump still refuses to admit he was wrong about the Central Park 5 - “You have people on both sides of that.”  <-- Gosh, where have we heard that before?

 

Wait, there is MORE:

 

Fact Check-Trump had been accused of racism by contemporaries prior to presidential campaign

 

Donald Trump’s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2020

 

 

 

And here comes @Chris farley and @B-Man to clean up the disgusting mess on aisle 45.

 

Idiots

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

56 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

we might start with sh!thole countries.  same basic white replacement theme....

Wait a minute! That comment is most definitely NOT in reference to the color of the skin of the people who live in those countries. Only someone who sees everything through the prism of race would possibly think that it was. It’s way past time you did a bit of serious introspection. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

11 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

You know what is funny?  Your ignorance.

 

The Central Park 5 guys are LAUGHING AT YOU RIGHT NOW.  C'mon, you know those five black and Latino teenagers who were wrongly convicted of the brutal rape of a jogger in NYC - didn't stop Trump from for advocating for the death penalty.

 

Trump still refuses to admit he was wrong about the Central Park 5 - “You have people on both sides of that.”  <-- Gosh, where have we heard that before?

 

Wait, there is MORE:

 

Fact Check-Trump had been accused of racism by contemporaries prior to presidential campaign

 

Donald Trump’s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2020

 

 

 

And here comes @Chris farley and @B-Man to clean up the disgusting mess on aisle 45.

 

Idiots

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

they won't watch it but WOW!  Now it's gonna take another couple years to forget those images

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Wait a minute! That comment is most definitely NOT in reference to the color of the skin of the people who live in those countries. Only someone who sees everything through the prism of race would possibly think that it was. It’s way past time you did a bit of serious introspection. 

watch the first video above and kick in the turbo on your cognitive dissonance

Edited February 23, 2023 by redtail hawk

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

 

watch the first video above and kick in the turbo on your cognitive dissonance

And so you’re to stick by your comment that by shethole country he was referring to the predominant race of the people who live there? Sure! Okie Dokie 

[BillStime]

15 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

And so you’re to stick by your comment that by shethole country he was referring to the predominant race of the people who live there? Sure! Okie Dokie 

 

Here is the thing DEEK:

 

WAS IT EVEN REMOTELY APPROPRIATE FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES TO SPEAK THAT WAY?

 

Can you believe - in all of your lifetime - that you have evolved into defending this abomination?

 

Sad

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

4 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Here is the thing DEEK:

 

WAS IT EVEN REMOTELY APPROPRIATE FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES TO SPEAK THAT WAY?

 

Can you believe - in all of your lifetime - that you have evolved into defending this abomination?

 

Sad

 

I wonder how many here will say "yes"

[BillStime]

8 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

I wonder how many here will say "yes"

Most of them - they get off on this - Trump validates WHO THEY ARE.

 

And it’s the internet - they can be themselves with no consequence; well except for their leader.

[JaCrispy]

8 hours ago, Gene Frenkle said:

 

So times change? Weird.

I don’t believe ending racism requires MORE racism- regardless of times changing…👍

[JaCrispy]

12 hours ago, BillStime said:

C’mon Jacrispy - weren’t we told there were ‘very fine people on both sides’ 

 

 

Like most “conservatives” - you seem to have a lot of self hate - why is that?

The “very fine people on both sides” argument has already been proven time and again to be disingenuous…

 

And what you refer to as “self hate” I call self pride, in myself and others like  me…I don’t desire to be coddled or infantilized…To me that is an insult to my intelligence and manhood…👍

[BillStime]

4 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

The “very fine people on both sides” argument has already been proven time and again to be disingenuous…

 

And what you refer to as “self hate” I call self pride, in myself and others like  me…I don’t desire to be coddled or infantilized…To me that is an insult to my intelligence and manhood…👍

 

Spin it however you want 

 

 

 

[aristocrat]

9 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Spin it however you want 

 

 

 

 

Yup, condemned nazis and white nationalists and the attack many times before making the fine people comment. You're clearly in the wrong here. 

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/15/full-text-trump-comments-white-supremacists-alt-left-transcript-241662

[JaCrispy]

34 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Spin it however you want 

 

 

 

The beauty of video is I don’t need to spin…😉
 

“But you had people- AND I’M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE NEO NAZIS AND WHITE NATIONALISTS- BECAUSE THEY SHOULD BE CONDEMNED TOTALLY- But you had many people in that group [opposing the taking down of statues] other than Neo Nazis and White Nationalists…”

 

By posting this video, you just rebutted yourself…thank you for making my case for me…👍

 

PS…This is also another illustration of anyone who opposes the Left is automatically labeled a racist or white supremacist…It’s because the Left cannot imagine anyone disagreeing with them as NOT being racist… I think they need to get out a little more …😉

 

 

Edited February 23, 2023 by JaCrispy

[aristocrat]

25 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Spin it however you want 

 

 

 

 

Has biden ever taken this many questions from reporters in his entire term? If a reporter asked him one question he'd be rushed off stage like someone was coming to get him

[BillStime]

23 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

“But you had people- AND I’M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE NEO NAZIS AND WHITE NATIONALISTS- BECAUSE THEY SHOULD BE CONDEMNED TOTALLY- But you had many people in that group [opposing the taking down of statues] other than Neo Nazis and White Nationalists…”

 

Ah yes, cherry picking a quote so far removed from the VERY contentious statement - lmao 

 

It is HILARIOUS to watch people like you - twist themselves into pretzels defending Conald when he is CLEARLY BACK PEDDLING after he realized the damage was ALREADY DONE.

 

Trump lost all credibility decades ago.  

 

 

[JaCrispy]

19 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Ah yes, cherry picking a quote so far removed from the VERY contentious statement - lmao 

 

It is HILARIOUS to watch people like you - twist themselves into pretzels defending Conald when he is CLEARLY BACK PEDDLING after he realized the damage was ALREADY DONE.

 

Trump lost all credibility decades ago.  

 

 

Meh…I don’t see it that way…

 

I think the Left WANTING Trump to be the “White supremacist” to fit their narrative, refuse to accept anything he says or does that points to opposite…

 

I’ve disagreed with Trump on many things in the past, but I feel you may be a little too “rabidly hive minded” to see passed your negative emotional attachment to Trump, to be able to think objectively…

 

Just my opinion…

Edited February 23, 2023 by JaCrispy

[Buffarukus]

3 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

You know what is funny?  Your ignorance.

 

The Central Park 5 guys are LAUGHING AT YOU RIGHT NOW.  C'mon, you know those five black and Latino teenagers who were wrongly convicted of the brutal rape of a jogger in NYC - didn't stop Trump from for advocating for the death penalty.

 

Trump still refuses to admit he was wrong about the Central Park 5 - “You have people on both sides of that.”  <-- Gosh, where have we heard that before?

 

Wait, there is MORE:

 

Fact Check-Trump had been accused of racism by contemporaries prior to presidential campaign

 

Donald Trump’s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2020

 

 

 

And here comes @Chris farley and @B-Man to clean up the disgusting mess on aisle 45.

 

Idiots

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yikes. that is some damning evidence. this will be a "too long didnt read" you wont address.. so move on. 

 

for everyone else with a attention span larger then a bug.

 

so trump has a opinion on a crime in his neighborhood. does that mean he's covering for the real perpetrator..white people!! or has he looked at the evidence and made a conclusion. I've seen quite a few series that showed real evidence that suggests it was not as cut and dry as police negligence and corruption. they are not that easy to find just like the micheal brown documentary that was attempted to be blacklisted and many many other arguments that may contradict narratives.

 

https://www.zenger.news/2020/11/18/amazon-pulled-a-documentary-about-the-death-of-michael-brown-they-later-backed-down/

 

i like truth so its really hard to be completely informed by both sides of the arguments as liberal censorship forces you to really dig deep to anything other then what they say is the truth. there was a good 5 part series on the topic but unfortunately the series and creator are banned from any easy accessible youtube.  here is a  part 1 on a series on the case.  anyone who is interested if there are compelling facts that are made on the central park 5 check it out and go to bitchute or other less moderate site to watch. its just a introduction. sorry but the censorship makes my point.

 

 

make a informed decision for yourselves. regardless a grand jury heard evidence and exonerated them and the city paid 40 million in restitution so i stand by that decision and so should the president..no excuses for him if he continued after being elected seeing he was in control to make changes he saw or didn't see to say they were guilty. all he did was remove alot of harsh sentances on low level non violent drug crime..which by the way the current pres and vp enacted and destroyed 100 of thousands of families over. black and other. i tend to focus on policy, not words and leftists seem to do the opposite.

 

as for the clip videos. saying he would rather be a well educated black person? was then later a icon in black culture? your more offended at pocahontas statement then a white woman portraying herself as a minority to steal benefits they should receive? using stereotype language when speaking is somehow worse then CREATING RACIST POLICY in the lefts viewpoints. the young turks! lol. sorry wont give that a view. its well known by EVERYONE including the guy in the clip jimmy dore lol that they are propaganda garbage network. so i dont condone trumps behavior and hope he is not re elected due to it but also will never understand the blind hypocracy outrage and double standard from the left as they support the very people who spent their entire careers creating the "systemic racist" system that they say exists. its amazing.

 

Edited February 23, 2023 by Buffarukus

[SoCal Deek]

2 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

Here is the thing DEEK:

 

WAS IT EVEN REMOTELY APPROPRIATE FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES TO SPEAK THAT WAY?

 

Can you believe - in all of your lifetime - that you have evolved into defending this abomination?

 

Sad

 

Okay then. Understood. I appreciate the adult-like candor, for a change. You clearly don’t like his communication style. That’s fine. But as I always say, it doesn’t make him evil. He’s  definitely brash. No sh$t! Everyone knew that when he was elected. Do I personally like the approach? No, I think there are/were better ways to say what he was trying to say. But…I’ll take a guy who’s at least trying to take on the DC swamp as opposed to those who just go along with it all while speaking word salads of poll tested garbage.