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What frustrates me so much is the amount of McDermott preaching fundamentals and mental toughness, and week in and week out, we play so undisciplined and shoot ourselves in the foot.   

I dunno...I see other teams that so the same things in some games. I think it's a game to game thing and I don't really see this a lot in comparison to other teams.    I think this is a situ

Yes, a win is a win. And, yes, Daboll's offensive playcalling and Bills scoring has improved. Kudos and cheers for a win.   But, it is time to move into the level of contenders. I think what

4 hours ago, Reks Ryan said:

The Bills won all 3 of those games,  In fact, they're now 4 - 0 under McD coming off the bye.     And the 2018 game against the Jags they definitely did not come out flat.   

 

The league-wide winning % coming off a bye since 2003 is about 54%.   So it's far from a sure thing for teams to win off their bye week.  And 100% is much better than 54%.  So you're using the bye week to judge the coaching, the Bills have an all-star staff compared to the rest of the league.

Point taken, but to be fair those wins came from 2018 Jags, 2019 Phins, 2020 Chargers and all of those games were close.  Notice how we performed the week after the bye weeks.  2018 and 2019 we got destroyed.  

4 hours ago, LVGrown said:

And 3rd year in a row they've won isn't it?

Yes, the W is the most important stat but none of those victories were convincing and were against bottom feeder teams.  

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3 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

I don't think those complaining have watched much of the other teams this year. We were sloppy but we won by 10 points in a game with a team that has not lost by much all year. We must play better to win the Super Bowl but at this point just win each game.

 

This team needs to play significantly better just to make the playoffs given the upcoming schedule. SF is one game out of .500 and a playoff spot and will be extra motivated on MNF even in a possible neutral site.

 

But any talk of SB or actually winning a playoff game is a pipe dream at best because the Bills aren't close to the same class as the 3 other division leaders and have already lost decisively against two of them with the Steelers on deck in a few weeks.

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1 minute ago, High Football IQ said:

 

This team needs to play significantly better just to make the playoffs given the upcoming schedule. SF is one game out of .500 and a playoff spot and will be extra motivated on MNF even in a possible neutral site.

 

But any talk of SB or actually winning a playoff game is a pipe dream at best because the Bills aren't close to the same class as the 3 other division leaders and have already lost decisively against two of them with the Steelers on deck in a few weeks.

 

Your prediction of finishing 6-10 or 7-9 didn't age well.

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7 minutes ago, High Football IQ said:

 

This team needs to play significantly better just to make the playoffs given the upcoming schedule. SF is one game out of .500 and a playoff spot and will be extra motivated on MNF even in a possible neutral site.

 

But any talk of SB or actually winning a playoff game is a pipe dream at best because the Bills aren't close to the same class as the 3 other division leaders and have already lost decisively against two of them with the Steelers on deck in a few weeks.

 

Doesn't matter what happened earlier in the year against those teams, all that matters is how they are playing when the playoffs get here. Once again, the NFL is a week to week league. What happened last week doesn't matter to this week's game and certainly not what happened 8 or 9 games ago.

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Do we actually watch the other games?

 

Literally every single team outside of Kansas City is "sloppy."  A lot.

 

The Chargers have a very good team.  They had all their studs on offense and they were neutralized.  We held Allen to 4 catches. 

 

We are getting better against the run.  And that has to be priority number 1 here down the stretch.  That and improving the run game.  

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5 minutes ago, High Football IQ said:

 

There's still a very real chance this team could lose out or finish 9-7.

 

I'll say this, the team I saw today has zero chance of beating the Steelers, Dolphins and Pats.....and very little chance of winning @ SF or @ Den for that matter.

 

It was expected that a true contender would come out of the bye and show separation and instead they tried their best to give the game away and were fortunate to be playing a 3 win team with a lame duck head coach.

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Bet you thought we had no chance of beating Seattle.  

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9 minutes ago, High Football IQ said:

 

There's still a very real chance this team could lose out or finish 9-7.

 

I'll say this, the team I saw today has zero chance of beating the Steelers, Dolphins and Pats.....and very little chance of winning @ SF or @ Den for that matter.

 

It was expected that a true contender would come out of the bye and show separation and instead they tried their best to give the game away and were fortunate to be playing a 3 win team with a lame duck head coach.

I hesitate to say this, but this, especially the bolded, is just really dumb.

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1 minute ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

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Bet you thought we had no chance of beating Seattle.  

 

Yes I did, not going to lie about that.

 

This team is woefully inconsistent but the bigger issue with the offense is Allen seems lost when there is nobody else to throw the ball to and force it diggs way which leads to the turnovers, lack of production, etc. Just can't believe that John Brown is that important to the offense but not having a true NFL caliber TE option has also been a problem.

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6 hours ago, Beast said:

I did not like seeing the Bills go in low at Herbert multiple times.

 

Cheap stuff right there.

 

 

 

I don’t know.  you cant hit a QB high.  and getting low to get past the OL.   I didn’t think we were playing dirty.  

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17 minutes ago, High Football IQ said:

 

Yes I did, not going to lie about that.

 

This team is woefully inconsistent but the bigger issue with the offense is Allen seems lost when there is nobody else to throw the ball to and force it diggs way which leads to the turnovers, lack of production, etc. Just can't believe that John Brown is that important to the offense but not having a true NFL caliber TE option has also been a problem.

 

Give it a rest, Son.  Allen is so lost when there's no one but Diggs to throw the ball to, that's why Beasley has two 100 yd games and is on track to another career year, why Gabe Davis had his 3rd 80 yd (or close to it) game this season etc.

 

We could use an NFL caliber TE, that part is true.

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19 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Do we actually watch the other games?

 

Literally every single team outside of Kansas City is "sloppy."  A lot.

 

The Chargers have a very good team.  They had all their studs on offense and they were neutralized.  We held Allen to 4 catches. 

 

We are getting better against the run.  And that has to be priority number 1 here down the stretch.  That and improving the run game.  

 

improving the run game will be huge.  looks like we tried to today. 

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1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Give it a rest, Son.  Allen is lost....

 

He's so lost that he just spent the day making about 8-10 different big plays with his eyes and showing some of the best field vision of any QB in the league, leading the offense to a double digit win with no TE's and while both his OT's were having their worst game of the year and Winters was assembling a matador video compilation for a backup application to Bullfighting U.

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2 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

He's so lost that he just spent the day making about 8-10 different big plays with his eyes and showing some of the best field vision of any QB in the league, leading the offense to a double digit win with no TE's and while both his OT's were having their worst game of the year and Winters was assembling a matador video compilation for a backup application to Bullfighting U.

 

Matador video compilation 🤣

 

I suppose he's sponsoring Dawson Knox application as well, at least that's a great description of Knox "blocking" Bosa on the play before Josh's INT where Moss got nailed deep in the backfield

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1 minute ago, RyanC883 said:

 

improving the run game will be huge.  looks like we tried to today. 


Teams haven’t been planning for our run game for a number of games now. I don’t think our passing games short comings lately has all to do with Brown but a lot to do with the focus and game planning teams are putting in to stop our pass.  If we have another couple games like today where our RBs are getting big gains teams will have to adjust.... Our D has been improving too. If we can run, pass and play solid D by the time we get to playoffs we will make some noise. 

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2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Matador video compilation 🤣

 

I suppose he's sponsoring Dawson Knox application as well, at least that's a great description of Knox "blocking" Bosa on the play before Josh's INT where Moss got nailed deep in the backfield

I was really impressed with Allen's ability to keep his mind right while things were falling apart around him multiple times throughout the game.

Morse and Mongo were good again but outside that he wasn't getting a ton of help out there today. Yet he continued to stay cool and keep seeing the whole field and taking advantage of opportunities both before plays and during, while also keeping the mistakes to a minimum. If guys around him start executing at the level which he typically has been, this offense is going to be a nightmare to defend.

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1 hour ago, Weatherman said:

Point taken, but to be fair those wins came from 2018 Jags, 2019 Phins, 2020 Chargers and all of those games were close.  Notice how we performed the week after the bye weeks.  2018 and 2019 we got destroyed.  

Yes, the W is the most important stat but none of those victories were convincing and were against bottom feeder teams.  

 

I am sure the Bills will petition the league to schedule them against a good team after their bye and ask to rearrange the schedule in-season if the team they are playing after the bye proves to not be very good...you know....just to make you happy so you can't make excuses for their wins after the bye because they came against "bad" teams.  Never mind that the Steelers are 10-0 and Browns are 8-3 in large part because they play the AFC South and NFC East this year...only the Bills play bad teams tho right?

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8 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

I am sure the Bills will petition the league to schedule them against a good team after their bye and ask to rearrange the schedule in-season if the team they are playing after the bye proves to not be very good...you know....just to make you happy so you can't make excuses for their wins after the bye because they came against "bad" teams.  Never mind that the Steelers are 10-0 and Browns are 8-3 in large part because they play the AFC South and NFC East this year...only the Bills play bad teams tho right?

High and right much? 

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1 hour ago, Weatherman said:

High and right much? 

 

No, just tired of hearing about only the Bills not playing good teams in "x" game but ignoring the fact that other teams feast on beating bad teams for a lot of wins also.

 

There is no need to apologize for the schedule you are given but people on this board seemingly want the Bills to play the Chiefs or Steelers every week or the wins aren't "good enough".

 

 

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