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The pass to Kroft keeps getting criticized- Why?

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2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Everybody's saying he should have thrown it away. But if you break it down bit by bit, it doesn't look like he gets outside The tackle box exactly. It's close but I don't think he gets outside it

 

So it would have been intentional grounding and lost down . Not to mention it was a catch

Not grounding if he throws it out of bounds in the vicinity of the receiver.

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1 minute ago, Bills Fan of Maryland said:

I could buy into a long toss up to Diggs or maybe even a healthy Knox, but not to Kroft. He should have thrown that one away. Josh looked like 2018, early 2019 Josh, desperate, wild eyed and out of control at times. Ok, maybe only for a handful of plays.  I mean how many QBs get an unsportsmanlike conduct call and then a facemask call where he throws the defender to the ground in the same game? Played out of his mind early and then very late. Great game to watch and in the end, a "W"!

At this phase, I'd say Kroft has better hands than Knox. 

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Just now, Real McNasty said:

At this phase, I'd say Kroft has better hands than Knox. 

Was thinking more in terms of his ability to elevate and go after a jump ball. I think I'd still take Knox as being far more athletic and capable of winning a jump ball. The only reason Kroft had a shot was he pushed off. Either way, should have thrown it away...IMO.

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Didn't Kroft have the ball when he stood up as well? I swear to god he was the one that handed it to the refs. 

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29 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Well, I'm not sure Kroft would be on the field if Allen/Daboll didn't trust him. We have not gotten to see Kroft all that much...


Let’s be real it was pretty clear weeks one and two that Knox was TE1. And that’s with the well-documented blocking issues and drops last year. 

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5 minutes ago, Bills Fan of Maryland said:

Not grounding if he throws it out of bounds in the vicinity of the receiver.

With how zebras call games you really think they wouldn't let the dirty laundry fly

 

They don't call it by the book. Even if that receiver was in the flats, I can still see them saying it wasn't close enough or some bs

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Just now, LeviF91 said:


Let’s be real it was pretty clear weeks one and two that Knox was TE1. And that’s with the well-documented blocking issues and drops last year. 

It could be Knox's draft position that gets him the start, along with the team desire for him to be a very good TE. Not sure Knox is holding up his end of the bargin.

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1 minute ago, Gene1973 said:

It could be Knox's draft position that gets him the start, along with the team desire for him to be a very good TE. Not sure Knox is holding up his end of the bargin.


In that vein they’re paying Kroft $6M a year to show up for like three games so far. And they weren’t afraid to make Singletary disappear for games at a time last year in spite of his draft position. 

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6 minutes ago, Bills Fan of Maryland said:

Was thinking more in terms of his ability to elevate and go after a jump ball. I think I'd still take Knox as being far more athletic and capable of winning a jump ball. The only reason Kroft had a shot was he pushed off. Either way, should have thrown it away...IMO.

Possibly, both are big boys though - Kroft is 6'6" and Knox is 6'4". Was a pretty weak OPI in my opinion as I have seen it numerous times and not get flagged. Kroft actually went up there pretty nice and made a nice snag. 

 

Water under the bridge now. I just hope the league fixes this INT crap now = disgusted.

 

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1 hour ago, Gene1973 said:

Yes, but sometimes QB's throw jump balls and expect their guy to come down with the ball. Risky throw, but IMO it worked. It's just that the officials botched the hell out of that play. Allen is going to make more risky throws this season, it's who he is.

In one-on-one coverage. Not into double coverage.

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Just now, MJS said:

In one-on-one coverage. Not into double coverage.

Maybe he should not have talked to Favre in the offseason...

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Just now, Gene1973 said:

Maybe he should not have talked to Favre in the offseason...

Hey, I'm not down on Josh at all. Taking risks and making big time throws is part of his game. But let's not pretend that he hasn't had an issue with these throws into coverage while under pressure in the past. When he is under duress he sometimes reverts to those ill-advised deep throws.

 

But I've been an Allen supporter since his rookie season. The guy is a gamer, a big time competitor, and a winner.

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1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

I just heard Dungy say Josh should not have made the throw to Kroft on the INT play.  Seen others here say the same.  Why?  He hit him right in the hands and we all think it was a completion.   Why should he not make a throw like that?


Just because it could’ve worked out doesn’t mean it’s ideal.

 

there are plenty of throws im thrilled josh can make if needed late in a game and trying to come back. 
 

many of those you don’t want to see thrown in the situation we saw there 

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1 hour ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I don't even see the OPI, if that is OPI than what has Gronk been doing to us since 2014.

 

Yes to both

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2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

I just heard Dungy say Josh should not have made the throw to Kroft on the INT play.  Seen others here say the same.  Why?  He hit him right in the hands and we all think it was a completion.   Why should he not make a throw like that?

tossed it up for grabs to a double covered backup tight end and it ended badly, very badly

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I am of the opinion that a lot of Allen's throws are ill-advised in regards to letting it rip with defensive linemen in his lap or hanging off him.

 

He covers for a lot of pass pro breakdown in this offense and blitzes coming clean.

 

But, more often than not he gets the ball where it needs to be. Allen lofted that ball just about perfectly over the defender.

 

Kroft had a hand on the back of the DB who was a bit too shallow to make a leaping play on the ball, and it struck me more as incidental contact as the db was jumping back towards Kroft. But if they want to call an offensive PI that is pretty weak even in slow-mo they could.

 

Still there is no INT, no fumble, and the receiver came down with the ball with contact. Play is over and either stands as a catch or is an offensive PI call.

 

If not for Rivera's bizarro world of officiating that's a heck of a throw under pressure.

 

 

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Finally just saw it. Horrible call. Doesn’t matter if he pushed off, that’s a separate issue. 

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Because if you throw that ball 10 times. 9 of them will either be an incomplete or an INT.

 

 

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