Lamar Jackson pulled a Josh Allen and no one said a word.

[GunnerBill]

14 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

Are you telling me that scouring the internet for any criticism, then grouping up and attacking the author of said criticism on Twitter isn't going to propel this team to success? 

 

If it did the Bills would have been winning Superbowls for a good few years, haha.

 

But on a semi serious note I think it has got worse as we have become credible and competitive. Fans have become more thin skinned because they can finally see the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow and they don't want people telling them the rainbow is going to fade before they can get there.

Edited September 16, 2020 by GunnerBill

[Mr. WEO]

8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

To be fair nor could Baltimore. The Browns were one of their 2 defeats in 2019. 

True, but in the context of the post....

[C.Biscuit97]

37 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

we have seen time and time again that the media enjoys a good bills team.

Yeah, I would argue that the Bills are actually media darlings.  Who roots against the Bills in the national media?  I think we are kinda beloved but we have sucked for a lot of years.  What are they supposed to say?

 

also, if we do become consistently good, people are going to start hating the Bulls mafia haha.  It’s cute when they are non threatening. 

[AirAllenPower]

I'd take Aaron Rodgers over A Lamar Jackson everytime. His system is my biggest issue, and I simply don't agree with it. 

 

That being said, Baltimore could still win a championship and Lamar could be great in that system for a long time.  

 

 

[ProcessAccepted]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The bump they got for picking a rookie QB who went on to break the rookie TD record? You think if Allen had done that the press would have said it was a bad thing?

Allens 18 rushing tds to Lamars 12 should get some credit

[WEATHER DOT COM]

I think QBs/WRs/RBs should actually practice this and do it more.

 

Lamar's lateral was in the receivers hands.

 

Josh's lateral was 6 feet over Knox's head.

Edited September 16, 2020 by wAcKy ZeBrA

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

If it did the Bills would have been winning Superbowls for a good few years, haha.

 

But on a semi serious note I think it has got worse as we have become credible and competitive. Fans have become more thin skinned because they can finally see the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow and they don't want people telling them the rainbow is going to fade before they can get there.

Hey speaking of skinned how’d that ‘drafting Allen will bring down this regime and I will not be wrong’ thing work out for you

[GunnerBill]

15 minutes ago, ProcessAccepted said:

Allens 18 rushing tds to Lamars 12 should get some credit

 

It does get some credit. I have seen it mentioned in multiple places over the past few days including on PFT. So who do you want this credit from and what do you want them to say? What will satisfy you that there isn't an agenda against the Bills?

 

Imagine the roles were reversed. Imagine Allen was the MVP last year and threw 36 TDs to 6 INTs on his way to leading the Bills to 14-2. Now imagine Lamar led the Ravens to creditable 10-6 and had a solid but more moderate output such as Allen had last year. Are you arguing that people would be saying "ah but that doesn't matter cos Lamar has more rushing touchdowns"?

 

The reality is the response would be exactly the same just the other way around. People would be talking about Allen as a potential superstar and saying Lamar is a young guy who has been inconsistent but still shows some signs and is a really good runner.

 

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Hey speaking of skinned how’d that ‘drafting Allen will bring down this regime and I will not be wrong’ thing work out for you

 

Haha, I have a very thick skin. I have said numerous times here I didn't like the pick and I was wrong. I am now very happy we selected Josh Allen. You seem to mistake me for someone who is invested in being right. I am invested in the Bills winning. I told people to come at me if I was wrong and when people come at me over being wrong I own it. I have never, ever, been someone who fails to have strong opinions. I also never fail to own my misses. It comes with the territory.

Edited September 16, 2020 by GunnerBill

[GoBills808]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Haha, I have a very thick skin. I have said numerous times here I didn't like the pick and I was wrong. I am now very happy we selected Josh Allen. You seem to mistake me for someone who is invested in being right. I am invested in the Bills winning. I told people to come at me if I was wrong and when people come at me over being wrong I own it. I have never, ever, been someone who fails to have strong opinions. I also never fail to own my misses. It comes with the territory.

Haha. Maybe someone who was this wrong isn't in the best position to lecture Bills fans on having thin skin regarding Allen. You do not have credibility.

 

 

GunnerBill

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This is a mistake. It will bring down this regime. You can mark this post and you can quote it back to me any time you like in the future if I am wrong. I won't be.

 

[C.Biscuit97]

23 minutes ago, ProcessAccepted said:

Allens 18 rushing tds to Lamars 12 should get some credit

For sure but if Lamar has more, it was be used against him that he is just a running qb. 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

Haha. Maybe someone who was this wrong isn't in the best position to lecture Bills fans on having thin skin regarding Allen. You do not have credibility.

 

 

GunnerBill

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This is a mistake. It will bring down this regime. You can mark this post and you can quote it back to me any time you like in the future if I am wrong. I won't be.

 

Is that how it works? When someone is wrong on something they lose credibility for ever? Wow. We better shut TBD down then.

[GoBills808]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Is that how it works? When someone is wrong on something they lose credibility for ever? Wow. We better shut TBD down then.

On this particular subject, yes. Your opinions on Allen lack objectivity and can be safely ignored.

[C.Biscuit97]

36 minutes ago, AirAllenPower said:

I'd take Aaron Rodgers over A Lamar Jackson everytime. His system is my biggest issue, and I simply don't agree with it. 

 

That being said, Baltimore could still win a championship and Lamar could be great in that system for a long time.  

 

 

1 - you know Rodgers didn’t play his first 3 years right? Lamar won a mvp in his 2nd season.  
 

2  - Rodgers is a top 5 qb ever
 

3 - how do you know Lamar won’t be good in another system?  He has been good everywhere.  Seems disingenuous to say he won’t.  
 

why is is so hard for Bills fans to give him credit for being really good?  

[GunnerBill]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

On this particular subject, yes. Your opinions on Allen lack objectivity and can be safely ignored.

 

See on this it is YOU who is wrong. I am objective on Allen because I have no investment in being right. I have been on this board a long time. The posters who have engaged with me a long time know very well that I am not someone who dies on hills when I am wrong. Only an idiot sees everything a player does in the league through a prism of how they see them when they were drafted. That isn't what I do on Allen, it isn't what I do on any player. Bill or otherwise.

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

On this particular subject, yes. Your opinions on Allen lack objectivity and can be safely ignored.

Stop.  Gunner is one of the most level headed, best posters on this board.  I will say it was strong take but he has given him credit when he deserves it but let’s not pretend like Allen is a top 10 qb yet.  
 

im sure if people cared, there are plenty of things you were terribly wrong on. I will admit one of my extremely rare mistakes is that I didn’t think Gase was an awful coach.  I was completely wrong on that.  It’s a weird feeling to be wrong. 😞

[AirAllenPower]

I did give him credit. I said Lamar can be and is great in the rpo, Roman system. They could win a super bowl,  maybe more. I simply disagree with that philosophy on offense. 

 

I did say pre draft if a team fully committed to Lamar's skill set and ran rpo , navy option stuff, he'd be incredible.  But if a team tried to make him Dan Marino it wouldn't work 

[ngbills]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

1 - you know Rodgers didn’t play his first 3 years right? Lamar won a mvp in his 2nd season.  
 

2  - Rodgers is a top 5 qb ever
 

3 - how do you know Lamar won’t be good in another system?  He has been good everywhere.  Seems disingenuous to say he won’t.  
 

why is is so hard for Bills fans to give him credit for being really good?  

Because for some reason Lamar being good means Josh is not as good is what it seems. Some weird stuff on these boards. Just like Tyrod Taylor can only be awful and Josh is great. I just read how Kyler Murray is not a real QB like Josh is. Only Josh can be good and nothing else is allowed. 

[AirAllenPower]

Just now, ngbills said:

Because for some reason Lamar being good means Josh is not as good is what it seems. Some weird stuff on these boards. Just like Tyrod Taylor can only be awful and Josh is great. I just read how Kyler Murray is not a real QB like Josh is. Only Josh can be good and nothing else is allowed. 

If I say Lamar is great , that means I don't think hes great lol

 

If Aaron Rodgers ran the triple option,  would he be good? If not does that mean Aaron Rodgers sucks?

 

Logic ppl use logic

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

See on this it is YOU who is wrong. I am objective on Allen because I have no investment in being right. I have been on this board a long time. The posters who have engaged with me a long time know very well that I am not someone who dies on hills when I am wrong. Only an idiot sees everything a player does in the league through a prism of how they see them when they were drafted. That isn't what I do on Allen, it isn't what I do on any player. Bill or otherwise.

Exactly what am I wrong on? That you're unable to judge Allen objectively? You said drafting him would kill this franchise before he'd even taken an NFL snap!

 

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, AirAllenPower said:

I did give him credit. I said Lamar can be and is great in the rpo, Roman system. They could win a super bowl,  maybe more. I simply disagree with that philosophy on offense. 

 

I did say pre draft if a team fully committed to Lamar's skill set and ran rpo , navy option stuff, he'd be incredible.  But if a team tried to make him Dan Marino it wouldn't work 

You literally have no idea if that’s true or not.  He was throwing dimes on Sunday and had 3 td passes after leading the nfl in tds the year before.

 

if Allen had A Heisman/ MVP, this board would destroy anyone for putting him down and talking about what system he would be good in. 

[AirAllenPower]

2 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Because for some reason Lamar being good means Josh is not as good is what it seems. Some weird stuff on these boards. Just like Tyrod Taylor can only be awful and Josh is great. I just read how Kyler Murray is not a real QB like Josh is. Only Josh can be good and nothing else is allowed. 

 

If Josh Allen keeps up this level of play vs the jets, he will be mvp and the best qb in the NFL by November 

[GoBills808]

5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Stop.  Gunner is one of the most level headed, best posters on this board.  I will say it was strong take but he has given him credit when he deserves it but let’s not pretend like Allen is a top 10 qb yet.  
 

im sure if people cared, there are plenty of things you were terribly wrong on. I will admit one of my extremely rare mistakes is that I didn’t think Gase was an awful coach.  I was completely wrong on that.  It’s a weird feeling to be wrong. 😞

It's easy to not be 'terribly wrong' on things when you take pains not to put forth OPINION as FACT.

[Teddy KGB]

10 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

 

why is is so hard for Bills fans to give him credit for being really good?  

They watched his playoff games ? 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

Exactly what am I wrong on? That you're unable to judge Allen objectively? You said drafting him would kill this franchise before he'd even taken an NFL snap!

 

 

Yes, but that is what I said then. That doesn't mean I can't be objective forever more on him. Why would it? That is exactly my point. I have no investment in that opinion being right. It just isn't who I am. I don't die on hills. You have strong opinions in life some of them will be wrong. My opinion on how he played vs the Jets on Sunday or the Browns last season (which is the most critical I have been of Josh Allen in his Bills career so far) or in any other game is totally unrelated to what I thought of him playing for Wyoming vs Iowa.

[AirAllenPower]

3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

You literally have no idea if that’s true or not.  He was throwing dimes on Sunday and had 3 td passes after leading the nfl in tds the year before.

 

if Allen had A Heisman/ MVP, this board would destroy anyone for putting him down and talking about what system he would be good in. 

We have gone over this ad nauseam 

 

Tommy Frazier throwing a td is  not in the same context of peyton manning.  Why??? They run different systems that accentuate strength and weaknesses 

 

You will never see Lamar Jackson running a west coast offense with no option offense.  Just like you will never see peyton manning running the navy option 

 

Both can be great. Why are u being obtuse 

Edited September 16, 2020 by AirAllenPower

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, Teddy KGB said:

They watched his playoff games ? 

Bills fans shouldn’t exactly be making fun of other teams playoff games.  He also had like 500 yards of offense.  Was it worst than Peyton at the same age? Or Elway? Or Favre? Or Rodgers?

[Protocal69]

22 hours ago, Simon said:

 

It was not the same type of play at all.

 

That was a designed option from the moment the ball was snapped and it was the RB's fault for not being ready.

If he had been executing properly, he probably would have scored.

How do you know that. Please explain.

[TheElectricCompany]

2 minutes ago, AirAllenPower said:

 

If Josh Allen keeps up this level of play vs the jets, he will be mvp and the best qb in the NFL by November 

 

I'd be stoked if he was a unanimous top 10 QB.

Unless Mahomes, Jackson, Russel Wilson and Rodgers have a meltdown of the likes we've never seen, this isn't happening.

[AirAllenPower]

4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

You literally have no idea if that’s true or not.  He was throwing dimes on Sunday and had 3 td passes after leading the nfl in tds the year before.

 

if Allen had A Heisman/ MVP, this board would destroy anyone for putting him down and talking about what system he would be good in. 

Where did I put Lamar down?????

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

It's easy to not be 'terribly wrong' on things when you take pains not to put forth OPINION as FACT.

 

Where did I do that? Because what I said on draft night was clearly my opinion. Was it a strong opinion? Yes. Was it a wrong opinion? Yes. But it was still an opinion.

[AirAllenPower]

Just now, TheElectricCompany said:

 

I'd be stoked if he was a unanimous top 10 QB.

Unless Mahomes, Jackson, Russel Wilson and Rodgers have a meltdown of the likes we've never seen, this isn't happening.

If he keeps up this level of play,  yes. It is happening. 

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, AirAllenPower said:

We have gone over this ad nauseam 

 

Tommy Frazier throwing a td is  not in the same context of peyton manning.  Why??? They run different systems that accentuate strength and weaknesses 

 

You will never see Lamar Jackson running a west coast offense with no option offense.  Just like you will never see peyton manning running the navy option 

 

Both can be great. Why are u being obtuse 

Because you are saying your opinion like it is fact. 
 

And then maybe we should put our running qb in Lamar’s system then. 

[AirAllenPower]

Honestly wont be surprised if Allen throws for 400 yards Sunday 

[TheElectricCompany]

Just now, AirAllenPower said:

If he keeps up this level of play,  yes. It is happening. 

 

LOL - good laughs man. Wake me when he truly can go toe to toe with the elite.

[Teddy KGB]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Bills fans shouldn’t exactly be making fun of other teams playoff games.  He also had like 500 yards of offense.  Was it worst than Peyton at the same age? Or Elway? Or Favre? Or Rodgers?

0-2.       Snoozeville.    

[AirAllenPower]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

Because you are saying your opinion like it is fact. 
 

And then maybe we should put our running qb in Lamar’s system then. 

It's a fact Lamar runs a rpo, navy option offense. Greg Roman is the oc.  Everyone in the media admits they committed to his skill set. Those are all facts, and Lamar is great at it

 

Why are you obsessed with Lamar lol

1 minute ago, TheElectricCompany said:

 

LOL - good laughs man. Wake me when he truly can go toe to toe with the elite.

He will against Goff and mahomes 

 

See u then

[ngbills]

7 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

They watched his playoff games ? 

 

6 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Bills fans shouldn’t exactly be making fun of other teams playoff games.  He also had like 500 yards of offense.  Was it worst than Peyton at the same age? Or Elway? Or Favre? Or Rodgers?

This is the nonsense right here. We make fun of the guy and use this logic to say that guy is not good. Yet with Josh everything is ignored? What big game has Josh played well in? He was bad in his only playoff game. Awful both career games vs BAL. Awful in 3 games vs NE. He was blah vs PIT and Duck Hodges. His game vs Dallas may be his only solid game and that was a 6-6 team. Seriously, I dont want to bash him. But when we mock other guys for playing bad in a big game and our own QB has not played big in ANY? Just wish we could keep it real. 

[GoBills808]

lmfao this thread

 

[Simon]

17 minutes ago, Protocal69 said:

How do you know that. Please explain.

 

I don't know what you want me to explain, if I remember right it was a pretty standard speed option call.

The only things out of the ordinary about it were that a) you don't see it often in the NFL and b) I think it had a wrinkle where they motioned the X back across to disguise the action and hold the back 7 in place and it worked like a charm.

An option play doesn't end at the LOS, the back maintains his pitch relationship all the way down the field, which he did. He just wasn't ready for the pitch when it finally came.

[Buffalo Junction]

18 minutes ago, AirAllenPower said:

If he keeps up this level of play,  yes. It is happening. 

5000+ total yards, 48 total TDs, 0 INTs, and 32 fumbles won’t happen. I get what you’re saying, but let’s be honest...... Allen has a way to go before getting an MVP. Plus, he’ll have to break the stigma of his labeling. He’d have to have some great playoff games to do that.