FireChans Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 On 9/3/2020 at 12:29 PM, Deranged Rhino said: I did not go from Obama to Trump in 2016, but I had a big swing so I might as well answer. I considered myself politically agnostic, but I certainly was considered a liberal on this board throughout 2006-2016. 9/11 happened when I was in college, the War on Terror was ramping up through my political awakening and I found myself loudly arguing in favor of the Iraq war on this very site in 2002-2003 as I bought into the notion that it was better to fight them over there than on our own shores. Somewhere around 2005-2006 this spell wore off and I began to see the bigger agenda of "Regime Change" (feeding the bottom lines of the pols and MiC, not helping others living under totalitarian dictatorships or worse). 2008 I voted for Obama and fully bought into his promises for change -- particularly on the issue of Regime Change and mass surveillance. In 2012 I voted for him again because I still had faith he was working to fulfill those promises he ran on. Then 2013-2014 hit with the mass revelations about not only the illegal drone assassination program, but the Snowden revelations about mass NSA surveillance of Americans. I learned that 44 had not only never intended to end the Regime Change policies of the DC wonks (he was in bed with them all financially), but he doubled the size of the surveillance program while tossing aside civil liberties. Obama literally went back on every single promise he made that mattered to me -- and did so in such a duplicitous and insidious way while the media fawned -- that it snapped me awake. Add into that mix the HRC SecState tenure which was a disaster (Libya, stolen emails, China's hack, the complete wiping out of our HUMINT assets in China) and my distaste for establishment politicians was pretty entrenched. 2016 rolled around and I had no intention of voting for Clinton but assumed she'd win in a walk. The fix was in, I thought. And boy was it ever. I didn't pay attention to Trump's campaign, had no intention of voting for a "republican" and instead wrote in Tulsi Gabbard. Election night happens, big shock, and then I started poking around the rumors about Russia being involved in stealing the election. My job allowed me some access that civilians otherwise might not get, and I used that access to start asking some questions about the Russia story from people who would know better than I would about it. That started me on a research path where I discovered as early as the spring of 2017 that the entire Russian narrative being floated by the media and congressional leaders was a fraud. Just like the War on Terror -- only this information campaign was turned up from 10 to 11 in 2016. The more I dug, the more the dirt kept coming back hard on Obama's administration... and Bush's. It showed me, clearly with evidence that was incontrovertible, that there really wasn't a divide between democrats and republicans in DC -- they were the same bird, just different wings. I watched from the front row as this establishment presence, not just politicians but nearly every single media outlet (and entertainment outlet) pushed what I knew and could prove to be fiction 24/7. They were gaslighting the country before my eyes, and every single "leader" in the political class was in full throated support of the lie. They lied not because they feared that Russia had truly stolen the election, no I knew THEY knew what they were pushing was false. What they actually feared was that the people of the United States had picked a candidate they disagreed with -- and that could not stand. When I saw the lengths the establishment went through, working across the aisle and with their corporate partners, to sell a monster of a lie to the world I knew where the battle lines were really drawn. It's us vs them -- but "them" isn't one political party or the other. I remember DR being one of the "discussion liberals" along with JA back when Ryan Fitzpatrick was our QB. How things change. 08 Obama 12 Romney 16 Trump 20 Trump, easy. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 2 hours ago, FireChans said: I remember DR being one of the "discussion liberals" along with JA back when Ryan Fitzpatrick was our QB. How things change. 08 Obama 12 Romney 16 Trump 20 Trump, easy. We are all walking away from the Obama promise and catastrophic failure 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdutton Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 (edited) Perot Clinton Bush Bush McCain Romney Held my nose and voted trump. Happily vote Trump in 2020 Edited September 7, 2020 by bdutton 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 1 hour ago, RocCityRoller said: We are all walking away from the Obama promise and catastrophic failure Obama delivered on expanding on health care! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 Only one presidential election under my belt. Voted Cruz in the primary and Trump in the general. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 3 hours ago, Tiberius said: Obama delivered on expanding on health care! Hey Tibs, this may be true for someone some where, but I'm not sure who. At one time I actually wanted to see expanded health care for people. You can see I voted Democrat for many Presidential elections. I wanted health care for all as a result, no one else delivered. What Obama delivered was a back room deal in the middle of the night, that no one wanted. I wouldn't be proud of that. When I started voting during Clinton II I paid $100 a month for a good HMO that had $20 visits/ $40 specialist visits and small amounts for surgery through my employer. It was $25 a week out of my check. Now that a ton of government money is dumped into the system I pay $250 a month for a 'low cost' HSA plan where I have to pay the first $1500 in any fees and then I may get an 80/20 split. I could pay $300 a week for a plan closer to the HMO plan I mentioned for Obamacare, but who can afford it? When I started a consulting business I could not afford health care. I wanted to hire a receptionist at $30-35k a year, but I had to pay the $300 a week for bad govt insurance through NY for her. There was no way I could afford insurance for both of us. As it was, I was penalized $500+ a year for not having insurance for myself. 2k a year for a family of 4. The penalties for not having insurance hurt small businesses and job creation. It was one of many small decisions that hurt small business owners and stagnated job growth. At some time, as you float through life as a Democrat, try putting on a 'business owners' hat, and then see what the policies do. Almost every time the government gets involved in a business things become more expensive. See the Post Office, Social Security, Rent, Education, Mortgage, Student Loans. The government is an inefficient mess. When they dump unlimited amounts of money into 'a market' the costs go up. It is simple economics. The floor goes up because of guaranteed government money. You also then become more dependent on the government. It is a path to poverty and slavery. The government never gives something to the free for nothing. I hope you eventually realize this. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 5 hours ago, RocCityRoller said: We are all walking away from the Obama promise and catastrophic failure I had written before how badly Obama fubar'ed his opportunity. Virtually everyone of color listened to him. He could have brought so much change to minorities by stressing the importance of black fathers stepping up to really be a part of their children's lives. Pressing the kind of stats Marcellus Wiley pressed about the drastic affects of black kids who grow up without a father. That single effort could have changed millions of lives. But no. He made their lives worse with policies that kept black unemployment high and people of color at a disadvantage. He could have gone down as the greatest president ever, and instead he'll go down as biggest, dumbest, most petty and most useless swing-and-a-miss president ever. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, IDBillzFan said: I had written before how badly Obama fubar'ed his opportunity. Virtually everyone of color listened to him. He could have brought so much change to minorities by stressing the importance of black fathers stepping up to really be a part of their children's lives. Pressing the kind of stats Marcellus Wiley pressed about the drastic affects of black kids who grow up without a father. That single effort could have changed millions of lives. But no. He made their lives worse with policies that kept black unemployment high and people of color at a disadvantage. He could have gone down as the greatest president ever, and instead he'll go down as biggest, dumbest, most petty and most useless swing-and-a-miss president ever. I couldn't have said it better. I'm proud of you for speaking truthfully. Obama had the whole country behind him. I think even the most ardent white conservative wanted him to succeed, because it would be proof of what conservatives espouse. Work hard, work fair, look for opportunity and you can succeed in the USA despite your race or background. We were in a recession and everyone wanted him to succeed and lead us out of it. Obama could have transformed America for the better, especially in his first term. But he went back to his racially biased social organizer roots and made things far worse for everyone. He should have espoused the values of nuclear families, strong black and brown men in the family, getting an education, not having kids out of wedlock, not aborting black babies, and working for a better life. He should have listened to Thomas Sowell and Larry Elder. We wanted Cliff Huxtable and got Malcolm X instead. What a wasted opportunity. I grew up in the 1980s and 1990s (I don't remember the 1970's) Things were not like this. Black America was on the rise. As a society we talked openly about abortion, gay rights, the death penalty, health care and racial issues, often with a giggle, and a nod that things were getting better. Instead of a bridge across the races, Obama created a schism. He espoused and supported identity politics and created a whole generation of dependents on the government. Worse yet identity politics entered the mainstream, it infected colleges, mass media and a growing social media. Look at a 20-30 yr old's Social Media Accounts now. People label themselves with identity stances like a grocery list and as a badge of honor. "I am a 'pansexual, vegan anti racist". Ok I am Jay, a developing and fallable individual. Obama had such a chance to make things better, and he failed terribly. Edited September 8, 2020 by RocCityRoller 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 I voted for the first Bush against Clinton just to piss my father off. Straight Democrat since then with no regrets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdutton Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said: I couldn't have said it better. I'm proud of you for speaking truthfully. Obama had the whole country behind him. I think even the most ardent white conservative wanted him to succeed, because it would be proof of what conservatives espouse. Work hard, work fair, look for opportunity and you can succeed in the USA despite your race or background. We were in a recession and everyone wanted him to succeed and lead us out of it. Obama could have transformed America for the better, especially in his first term. But he went back to his racially biased social organizer roots and made things far worse for everyone. He should have espoused the values of nuclear families, strong black and brown men in the family, getting an education, not having kids out of wedlock, not aborting black babies, and working for a better life. He should have listened to Thomas Sowell and Larry Elder. We wanted Cliff Huxtable and got Malcolm X instead. What a wasted opportunity. I grew up in the 1980s and 1990s (I don't remember the 1970's) Things were not like this. Black America was on the rise. As a society we talked openly about abortion, gay rights, the death penalty, health care and racial issues, often with a giggle, and a nod that things were getting better. Instead of a bridge across the races, Obama created a schism. He espoused and supported identity politics and created a whole generation of dependents on the government. Worse yet identity politics entered the mainstream, it infected colleges, mass media and a growing social media. Look at a 20-30 yr old's Social Media Accounts now. People label themselves with identity stances like a grocery list and as a badge of honor. "I am a 'pansexual, vegan anti racist". Ok I am Jay, a developing and fallable individual. Obama had such a chance to make things better, and he failed terribly. When Obama got elected I was disappointed but hopeful that he would help heal the racial divide. What a waste of political capital. He abandoned his black community because he knew they would vote en-mass for him. Turns out he was nothing more that anther run of the mill corrupt Chicago machine politician. He used is power to put leftists in all levels of power in the civilian law enforcement and intelligence, and military power structures. Trump is making inroads to remove them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 1980: Snoopy 1984: Snoopy 1988: Snoopy 1992: Snoopy 1996: Snoopy 2000: Snoopy 2004: Snoopy 2008: Snoopy 2012: Snoopy 2016: Trump - I got tired of losing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 (edited) 1996: Clinton, I was a liberal at 19. 2000: Gore, I was a libertarian, and voted D as a protest vote against R’s, because the L party was a clown show. 2004: Kerry, I was a libertarian, and voted D as a protest vote against R’s, because the L party was a clown show. 2008: Obama, I was a libertarian, and voted D as a protest vote against R’s, because the L party was a clown show. 2012: Obama, I was a libertarian, and voted D as a protest vote against R’s, because the L party was a clown show. 2016: Johnson, I was i libertarian, and could not in good conscience cast a vote for Clinton, protest vote or not. So I voted for the clowns. 2020: Trump, 100% Trump. I despise the man. I tend towards a philisophical belief in anarcho-capitalism from a moral position, but tend towards minarchism from a practical perspective; and Trump is a willing dictator (as have been all of his predecessors in all of our lifetimes, as is the nature of the office). He doesn’t well represent any of my beliefs. However I will not abide Communists, or what Democrats have become. I will not abide coup attempts, or weaponizing the state against political opponents. I will not abide violent mobs being used as political leverage (vote for us and we‘ll stop burning down your cities). As such, I will not ever, and I mean ever vote for any Democrat in any level of government again. Not even for dog catcher. Edited September 8, 2020 by TakeYouToTasker 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdutton Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: 1980: Snoopy 1984: Snoopy 1988: Snoopy 1992: Snoopy 1996: Snoopy 2000: Snoopy 2004: Snoopy 2008: Snoopy 2012: Snoopy 2016: Trump - I got tired of losing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 2 hours ago, RocCityRoller said: Hey Tibs, this may be true for someone some where, but I'm not sure who. At one time I actually wanted to see expanded health care for people. You can see I voted Democrat for many Presidential elections. I wanted health care for all as a result, no one else delivered. What Obama delivered was a back room deal in the middle of the night, that no one wanted. I wouldn't be proud of that. When I started voting during Clinton II I paid $100 a month for a good HMO that had $20 visits/ $40 specialist visits and small amounts for surgery through my employer. It was $25 a week out of my check. Now that a ton of government money is dumped into the system I pay $250 a month for a 'low cost' HSA plan where I have to pay the first $1500 in any fees and then I may get an 80/20 split. I could pay $300 a week for a plan closer to the HMO plan I mentioned for Obamacare, but who can afford it? When I started a consulting business I could not afford health care. I wanted to hire a receptionist at $30-35k a year, but I had to pay the $300 a week for bad govt insurance through NY for her. There was no way I could afford insurance for both of us. As it was, I was penalized $500+ a year for not having insurance for myself. 2k a year for a family of 4. The penalties for not having insurance hurt small businesses and job creation. It was one of many small decisions that hurt small business owners and stagnated job growth. At some time, as you float through life as a Democrat, try putting on a 'business owners' hat, and then see what the policies do. Almost every time the government gets involved in a business things become more expensive. See the Post Office, Social Security, Rent, Education, Mortgage, Student Loans. The government is an inefficient mess. When they dump unlimited amounts of money into 'a market' the costs go up. It is simple economics. The floor goes up because of guaranteed government money. You also then become more dependent on the government. It is a path to poverty and slavery. The government never gives something to the free for nothing. I hope you eventually realize this. The government stepped in to make student loans more available and the colleges and universities started letting everyone in. Education got way more expensive and fewer people got an education that would allow them to pay back those loans. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 (edited) 2000- Bush 2004- Bush 2008- Obama 2012- Obama 2016- Trump 2020- Trump Trump is not my favorite person but I will never vote for the Communist Party (modern Democrat Party). Edited September 8, 2020 by JaCrispy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 1996 Clinton 2000 Bush 2004 didnt vote 2008 didn’t vote 2012 Romney 2016 Johnson 2020 Trump as a big FU to the media and elites 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 15 minutes ago, bdutton said: When Obama got elected I was disappointed but hopeful that he would help heal the racial divide. What a waste of political capital. He abandoned his black community because he knew they would vote en-mass for him. He abandoned his black community because he knew they would vote en-mass for him regardless. - Correct. It's sad how many communities continue to fail due to Black Democrats, but they do masters orders to stay in power, and call out anyone escaping 'the plantation.' Look at any city that is a mess now. Democrat for 30, 40, 50 years. I'll take it further. This is the very basis of the Modern Democrat Plantation. Dems owned the slaves in the 1800's and 'owns the black vote' now, despite their history. After the great migration north, blacks were concentrated in Northern cities. Much like plantations of the South. Blacks could be 'controlled in the cities' with basic jobs through out the 1880's to 1930's. Some places like Harlem and Detroit grew a thriving black middle class, due in part to marriage and growth of the nuclear family. During WWII the UK was appalled by the segregation, supported by FDR, of American troops. Just a reminder: Slavery - Democrats Jim Crow - Democrats KKK - Democrats Birth of a Nation - Democrats Segregation: through FDR and Taft fought civil rights act - Democrats Agreed to get vote - Democrats Black genocide (pro choice) - Democrats LBJ was no racial reformer. He was a bigot and racist. He was politically astute enough to understand that Dems had 0 chance of winning any election without the black vote. He stopped repressing the vote and he paid for it in hand outs that continue today. The great migration and handouts are your 'big switch'. Truth. 'An educated black man can not be a slave' - W E Dubois, Frederick Douglass, MLK. They all said similar things. Even now a black or brown man wanting the beautiful beliefs of classical liberalism is called terrible names by his own community. 'How dare you fight against the hand outs and easy way out' you Uncle Tom. BLM is a joke. It's a Communist front seeking division among us, the people. No organization seeking the death of the nuclear family is pro black. Handouts replaced the black man in families in the 1960's. Planned Parenthood (2/3 in poor black communities) have led to a Holocaust of black babies. The black family is under siege by leftists and Democrats. It has been for decades. That is how we stay on the plantation. Now it comes for you. Fight back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 (edited) 50 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: The government stepped in to make student loans more available and the colleges and universities started letting everyone in. Education got way more expensive and fewer people got an education that would allow them to pay back those loans. Agreed 100%. Student loans are a way to enslave non-blacks. From 1970-2010 we were all told a BA was a way ahead. It was a lie, and a path to slavery. The Federal Government gladly enslaved generations, and now it is a debt that is hard to pay off. Likewise, no one should be 100k in debt, with a worthless degree in the USA. I was 100k in debt and paid it all off. I refused to be a slave. I should have never been allowed these loans in the first place. Why would any college take a lesser tuition than that offered by the Federal Government? Is your education less prodigious than other colleges? Edited September 8, 2020 by RocCityRoller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: The government stepped in to make student loans more available and the colleges and universities started letting everyone in. Education got way more expensive and fewer people got an education that would allow them to pay back those loans. Brilliant. And yes 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 10 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said: Agreed 100%. Student loans are a way to enslave non-blacks. From 1970-2010 we were all told a BA was a way ahead. It was a lie, and a path to slavery. The Federal Government gladly enslaved generations, and now it is a debt that is hard to pay off. Likewise, no one should be 100k in debt, with a worthless degree in the USA. I was 100k in debt and paid it all off. I refused to be a slave. I should have never been allowed these loans in the first place. Why would any college take a lesser tuition than that offered by the Federal Government? Is your education less prodigious than other colleges? Go figure: https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardvedder/2018/07/23/diversity-and-other-administrative-monstrousities-the-case-of-the-university-of-michigan/#1881fa1468ec University of Michigan has nearly 100 diversity officers with 25 of them making at least 100k a year. Total cost works out to about $300 per student. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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