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7 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Folks that can say Kamala Harris is a moderate with a straight face aren't going to be impressed with evidence the polls are skewed to over represent Democratic voters. Nor will they concede that their mob mentality intimidation is likely to cause many Trump voters to simply run silent. Then they go boohoo when the actual election proves that their propoganda efforts are not an effective measure of what the American people think and believe. 

Poll after poll shows that basically 25% of republicans are included in each poll while about 35% of democrats make up those polls. Taking into consideration that conservatives do not like to be queried regarding their political preferences and many people don't like to admit their preference for Trump, the polls are badly skewed. Once again, foolish democrats have tricked themselves. 

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52 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Poll after poll shows that basically 25% of republicans are included in each poll while about 35% of democrats make up those polls. Taking into consideration that conservatives do not like to be queried regarding their political preferences and many people don't like to admit their preference for Trump, the polls are badly skewed. Once again, foolish democrats have tricked themselves.

 

In an ordinary election, would agree w/ you.  But considering it appears pretty clear that the D's plan to manufacture a post-election win via "finding" mail-in ballots, they need that oversampling to get people to believe the polls were accurate and all those ballots miraculously appearing after the game's been played are legit & not a repeat of Al Franken's playback.

 

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In an ordinary election, would agree w/ you.  But considering it appears pretty clear that the D's plan to manufacture a post-election win via "finding" mail-in ballots, they need that oversampling to get people to believe the polls were accurate and all those ballots miraculously appearing after the game's been played are legit & not a repeat of Al Franken's playback.

 

There's that too. 

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10 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

Poll after poll shows that basically 25% of republicans are included in each poll while about 35% of democrats make up those polls. Taking into consideration that conservatives do not like to be queried regarding their political preferences and many people don't like to admit their preference for Trump, the polls are badly skewed. Once again, foolish democrats have tricked themselves. 

 

I don't know if you know this, but you can actually look at the polls and the sampling.

 

538's latest polls is really good because you can see a poll and click on it and see the sampling: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/

 

I clicked like 10 of the latest and didn't see any sampling that you suggested.

 

Here's a recent MN one from Suffolk University.

https://www.suffolk.edu/-/media/suffolk/documents/academics/research-at-suffolk/suprc/polls/other-states/2020/9_25_2020_marginals_pdftxt.pdf?la=en&hash=EA09FFF4A22FBF2A04A6A5776C86103A990C9C6A

Has Biden 47, Trump 40. 

 

With rounding it was 40 Dem/36 Republican.

 

Click any of the others, there's not any I saw with a 35/25 split.

 

A couple things on polls:

1. People say polls were way off in 2016. If you look state by state, most ended up being close and within the margin of error. 

2. Look at RCPs averages in 2016, there were huge fluctuations between Trump and Hilary during the campaign. In 2020, everything has been pretty steady for Bidens lead. There really have not been a lot of fluctuations, especially compared to 2016 and how much that changed day to day.

3. To points 1 and 2, I think during 2016, we saw almost all the undecideds go for Trump (I think the actual split was like 90/10 Trump). The issue with this election is there are not many undecides. Someone posted a couple pages ago about how a survey showed Florida undecides were going heavily for Trump.  When you pull the actual survey, undecides made up 3 percent of the population. I can see that being true as it seems hard to think there is the level of undecides. I mean really, who doesn't have one opinion or another of Trump by now? In 2016, we saw far more undecides at this point.

4. Polls were pretty accurate on the 2018 blue wave.

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2 hours ago, Backintheday544 said:

 

I don't know if you know this, but you can actually look at the polls and the sampling.

 

538's latest polls is really good because you can see a poll and click on it and see the sampling: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/

 

I clicked like 10 of the latest and didn't see any sampling that you suggested.

 

Here's a recent MN one from Suffolk University.

https://www.suffolk.edu/-/media/suffolk/documents/academics/research-at-suffolk/suprc/polls/other-states/2020/9_25_2020_marginals_pdftxt.pdf?la=en&hash=EA09FFF4A22FBF2A04A6A5776C86103A990C9C6A

Has Biden 47, Trump 40. 

 

With rounding it was 40 Dem/36 Republican.

 

Click any of the others, there's not any I saw with a 35/25 split.

 

A couple things on polls:

1. People say polls were way off in 2016. If you look state by state, most ended up being close and within the margin of error. 

2. Look at RCPs averages in 2016, there were huge fluctuations between Trump and Hilary during the campaign. In 2020, everything has been pretty steady for Bidens lead. There really have not been a lot of fluctuations, especially compared to 2016 and how much that changed day to day.

3. To points 1 and 2, I think during 2016, we saw almost all the undecideds go for Trump (I think the actual split was like 90/10 Trump). The issue with this election is there are not many undecides. Someone posted a couple pages ago about how a survey showed Florida undecides were going heavily for Trump.  When you pull the actual survey, undecides made up 3 percent of the population. I can see that being true as it seems hard to think there is the level of undecides. I mean really, who doesn't have one opinion or another of Trump by now? In 2016, we saw far more undecides at this point.

4. Polls were pretty accurate on the 2018 blue wave.

Thank you for doing the work and dispelling the wishful thinking poll analysis that's all too common.

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12 hours ago, Backintheday544 said:

 

I don't know if you know this, but you can actually look at the polls and the sampling.

 

538's latest polls is really good because you can see a poll and click on it and see the sampling: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/

 

I clicked like 10 of the latest and didn't see any sampling that you suggested.

 

Here's a recent MN one from Suffolk University.

https://www.suffolk.edu/-/media/suffolk/documents/academics/research-at-suffolk/suprc/polls/other-states/2020/9_25_2020_marginals_pdftxt.pdf?la=en&hash=EA09FFF4A22FBF2A04A6A5776C86103A990C9C6A

Has Biden 47, Trump 40. 

 

With rounding it was 40 Dem/36 Republican.

 

Click any of the others, there's not any I saw with a 35/25 split.

 

A couple things on polls:

1. People say polls were way off in 2016. If you look state by state, most ended up being close and within the margin of error. 

2. Look at RCPs averages in 2016, there were huge fluctuations between Trump and Hilary during the campaign. In 2020, everything has been pretty steady for Bidens lead. There really have not been a lot of fluctuations, especially compared to 2016 and how much that changed day to day.

3. To points 1 and 2, I think during 2016, we saw almost all the undecideds go for Trump (I think the actual split was like 90/10 Trump). The issue with this election is there are not many undecides. Someone posted a couple pages ago about how a survey showed Florida undecides were going heavily for Trump.  When you pull the actual survey, undecides made up 3 percent of the population. I can see that being true as it seems hard to think there is the level of undecides. I mean really, who doesn't have one opinion or another of Trump by now? In 2016, we saw far more undecides at this point.

4. Polls were pretty accurate on the 2018 blue wave.

From your link:

 

31. Just your best guess. When all the votes are counted for president this November, who do you think is most likely to be elected president – {ROTATE} Joe Biden or Donald Trump? (N=500) n % Joe Biden-------------------------------------------------- 198 39.60 Donald Trump -------------------------------------------- 227 45.40 Undecided---------------------------------------------------70 14.00 Refused--------------------------------------------------------5 1.00

 

You pick Minnesota, a state that hasn't gone for a republican for president in many decades. Does it not concern you that the numbers in this poll give Biden a substantial lead but the people who believe Trump will beat Biden lead by 6%? 

 

Also, when the polls call states like Ohio and Texas "purple" it makes me wonder if there's any sense of reality amongst the poll takers or if they are just trying to manipulate voter sentiment. -)

 

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23 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

Poll after poll shows that basically 25% of republicans are included in each poll while about 35% of democrats make up those polls. Taking into consideration that conservatives do not like to be queried regarding their political preferences and many people don't like to admit their preference for Trump, the polls are badly skewed. Once again, foolish democrats have tricked themselves. 

Poll after poll says poll after poll are wrong, lol!!! 

 

Keep up the good work! 😂 

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From your link:

 

31. Just your best guess. When all the votes are counted for president this November, who do you think is most likely to be elected president – {ROTATE} Joe Biden or Donald Trump? (N=500) n % Joe Biden-------------------------------------------------- 198 39.60 Donald Trump -------------------------------------------- 227 45.40 Undecided---------------------------------------------------70 14.00 Refused--------------------------------------------------------5 1.00

 

You pick Minnesota, a state that hasn't gone for a republican for president in many decades. Does it not concern you that the numbers in this poll give Biden a substantial lead but the people who believe Trump will beat Biden lead by 6%? 

 

Also, when the polls call states like Ohio and Texas "purple" it makes me wonder if there's any sense of reality amongst the poll takers or if they are just trying to manipulate voter sentiment. -)

 

 

......BTW.....registered and eligible voter for 49 years and have NEVER received a call from a pollster..............

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From your link:

 

31. Just your best guess. When all the votes are counted for president this November, who do you think is most likely to be elected president – {ROTATE} Joe Biden or Donald Trump? (N=500) n % Joe Biden-------------------------------------------------- 198 39.60 Donald Trump -------------------------------------------- 227 45.40 Undecided---------------------------------------------------70 14.00 Refused--------------------------------------------------------5 1.00

 

You pick Minnesota, a state that hasn't gone for a republican for president in many decades. Does it not concern you that the numbers in this poll give Biden a substantial lead but the people who believe Trump will beat Biden lead by 6%? 

 

Also, when the polls call states like Ohio and Texas "purple" it makes me wonder if there's any sense of reality amongst the poll takers or if they are just trying to manipulate voter sentiment. -)

 

 

I just picked MN because it was the first state poll listed at the time.

 

538 had a good discussion in May about Bidens lead in the polls but Americans thinking Trump will win: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/if-trump-is-down-in-the-polls-why-do-so-many-americans-think-hell-win/

 

I haven't looked much at Ohio. Texas makes sense to be purple now. Just look at 2018 with Cruz/Beto election. Beto came within 200,000 votes of winning the Senate seat. Texas is a state where the demographics are changing and have been for some time.

 

Here's the latest TX poll that is out: https://filesforprogress.org/memos/student-debt-project-electoral.pdf

 

Trump is up 46/45 and 9 percent undecided. It doesn't give a breakdown of who was polled, but it gives the generic ballot breakdown with 46 percent saying Republican, 41 percent saying Democrat.

 

Historically, undecideds at this point are not overly likely to vote so it's definitely in play this year for the Democrats. The other Texas polls have similar results so it's not an outlier.

 

I think the other concerning thing on the Republican side is how Biden is doing better in each battleground state than Clinton:

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/2020_elections_electoral_college_map.html

 

 

PA - Clinton was +1.8, Biden is +4.3

WI - Clinton was +5, Biden is +6.6

OH - Trump was +2, Biden is +3.3

NV - Trump was +0.2, Biden is +7.5

AZ - Trump was +3, Biden is +3.2

 

If you're unfamiliar with the site, they look at polling averages, which should help drown out some static from different sampling populations.

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General Election: Trump vs. Biden ABC News/Wash Post Biden 54, Trump 44 Biden +10

 

This has a great breakdown of the differences in the 2016 polls vs 2020:

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/NoTeamsIndy/status/1308381040940126208

 

The other interesting note is possibility of over-sampling Republicans to try to fix mistakes made in 2016.

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This has a great breakdown of the differences in the 2016 polls vs 2020:

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/NoTeamsIndy/status/1308381040940126208

 

The other interesting note is possibility of over-sampling Republicans to try to fix mistakes made in 2016.

 

 

....did you EVER think that revealing your political views would lead to threats of violence, property destruction, ACTUAL assaults, harassment et al IN YOUR LIFETIME?......would you HONESTLY reveal your political views in such a threatening climate?....and it does NOT stop at you.......bet your spouse and entire family are at risk.......we are sinking further by the nanosecond....what is even sadder is that it is condoned..............

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Poll Results Spread
General Election: Trump vs. Biden NY Times/Siena Biden 49, Trump 41 Biden +8
General Election: Trump vs. Biden ABC News/Wash Post Biden 54, Trump 44 Biden +10
General Election: Trump vs. Biden vs. Jorgensen vs. Hawkins ABC News/Wash Post Biden 49, Trump 43, Jorgensen 4, Hawkins 3 Biden +6
Nevada: Trump vs. Biden Rasmussen Reports Biden 49, Trump 48 Biden +1
North Carolina: Trump vs. Biden CBS News/YouGov Biden 48, Trump 46 Biden +2
Georgia: Trump vs. Biden CBS News/YouGov Trump 47, Biden 46 Trump +1
South Carolina: Trump vs. Biden CBS News/YouGov Trump 52, Biden 42 Trump +10
Pennsylvania: Trump vs. Biden TIPP Biden 50, Trump 45 Biden +5
Michigan: Trump vs. Biden NBC News/Marist Biden 52, Trump 44 Biden +8
Wisconsin: Trump vs. Biden NBC News/Marist Biden 54, Trump 44 Biden +10
Michigan Senate - James vs. Peters NBC News/Marist Peters 49, James 44 Peters +5
North Carolina Senate - Tillis vs. Cunningham CBS News/YouGov Cunningham 48, Tillis 38 Cunningham +10
Georgia Senate - Perdue vs. Ossoff CBS News/YouGov Perdue 47, Ossoff 42 Perdue +5
South Carolina Senate - Graham vs. Harrison CBS News/YouGov Graham 45, Harrison 44 Graham +1
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....did you EVER think that revealing your political views would lead to threats of violence, property destruction, ACTUAL assaults, harassment et al IN YOUR LIFETIME?......would you HONESTLY reveal your political views in such a threatening climate?....and it does NOT stop at you.......bet your spouse and entire family are at risk.......we are sinking further by the nanosecond....what is even sadder is that it is condoned..............

 

Then you decline to take the poll. The pollster says thank you for your time and they move on to the next person.

 

What makes you think the people declining are overwhelming Trump supporters? Looking at the country, Trump supporters appear to be the loud minority.

 

What makes you think the sample is too small to make up for people declining to answer?

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Then you decline to take the poll. The pollster says thank you for your time and they move on to the next person.

 

What makes you think the people declining are overwhelming Trump supporters? Looking at the country, Trump supporters appear to be the loud minority.

 

What makes you think the sample is too small to make up for people declining to answer?

 

You've got this backwards and upside down. 

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Poll Results Spread
General Election: Trump vs. Biden NY Times/Siena Biden 49, Trump 41 Biden +8
General Election: Trump vs. Biden ABC News/Wash Post Biden 54, Trump 44 Biden +10
General Election: Trump vs. Biden vs. Jorgensen vs. Hawkins ABC News/Wash Post Biden 49, Trump 43, Jorgensen 4, Hawkins 3 Biden +6
Nevada: Trump vs. Biden Rasmussen Reports Biden 49, Trump 48 Biden +1
North Carolina: Trump vs. Biden CBS News/YouGov Biden 48, Trump 46 Biden +2
Georgia: Trump vs. Biden CBS News/YouGov Trump 47, Biden 46 Trump +1
South Carolina: Trump vs. Biden CBS News/YouGov Trump 52, Biden 42 Trump +10
Pennsylvania: Trump vs. Biden TIPP Biden 50, Trump 45 Biden +5
Michigan: Trump vs. Biden NBC News/Marist Biden 52, Trump 44 Biden +8
Wisconsin: Trump vs. Biden NBC News/Marist Biden 54, Trump 44 Biden +10
Michigan Senate - James vs. Peters NBC News/Marist Peters 49, James 44 Peters +5
North Carolina Senate - Tillis vs. Cunningham CBS News/YouGov Cunningham 48, Tillis 38 Cunningham +10
Georgia Senate - Perdue vs. Ossoff CBS News/YouGov Perdue 47, Ossoff 42 Perdue +5
South Carolina Senate - Graham vs. Harrison CBS News/YouGov Graham 45, Harrison 44 Graham +1

And again ... the most stable race/lead in modern polling history.

I can't really think of anything that could change the dynamic other than an epic disaster by Biden tomorrow night - something on the order of the Rick Perry "I'm going to eliminate 3 federal departments, namely, umm, umm, never mind" variety. Could happen, hasn't in any previous performances, and Trump is weirdly already trying to explain away a minimally successful performance by talking about PEDs. (Ask yourself: did anyone ever accuse Reggie Bush or Kelvin Benjamin of being on PEDs with the Bills? That's what you do when an old guy unexpectedly overperforms, like comeback James Harrison)

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You've got this backwards and upside down. 

 

Trump did lose the last popular vote by like 3 million votes. That would make his supporters a minority. Plus all the polls are showing him down nationally by 6 to 10 points.

 

I only say loud because you see the rallies and those boat parades. You don't see any of that for Biden.

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You laugh, but look at the RCPs average national polls. It's barely changes since Biden has been announced. A huge difference than 4 years ago.

 

And if you're still thinking in those terms, it shows you learned nothing from 2016. 

 

The media is lying to you. That's what they've done consistently for decades, only now we have oodles of evidence to prove that they're cultivating reality, not reporting truth. If you keep buying into what they're selling (like Trump supporters are just a loud minority), you're discerning wrong. 

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I did show my work. You made a ridiculous statement and it elicited an honest guffaw. It still is. :lol: :lol: :lol: 

Where? Tiberius gave you all the recent polls. Go back and look at, say, RCP historically. You will find exactly one Rasmussen outlier, and even they aren't consistently good for Trump. So you can make all the usual John McCain "unskewed polls" arguments c. 2008 if you're a fool, or you can argue that there's still an electoral college route that isn't an extreme longshot (even 538 has it as a 22% chance for Trump winning the electoral college), but arguing with the fact that the overall polling history of this election shows a remarkable and historically stable lead? Stupid.

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And if you're still thinking in those terms, it shows you learned nothing from 2016. 

 

The media is lying to you. That's what they've done consistently for decades, only now we have oodles of evidence to prove that they're cultivating reality, not reporting truth. If you keep buying into what they're selling (like Trump supporters are just a loud minority), you're discerning wrong. 

 

What of the 2018 midterm polls that were pretty accurate?

 

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-state-of-the-polls-2019/

 

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And if you're still thinking in those terms, it shows you learned nothing from 2016. 

 

The media is lying to you. That's what they've done consistently for decades, only now we have oodles of evidence to prove that they're cultivating reality, not reporting truth. If you keep buying into what they're selling (like Trump supporters are just a loud minority), you're discerning wrong. 

How about joining us in the reality-based community for a bit.

Trump supporters ARE a loud minority. He consistently polls in the low-to-mid 40s, which is a sizeable minority, but last I checked my Stats text, a minority.

The polls ARE remarkably stable, particularly on the national level. 

The 2016 polls were remarkably good -- I discussed that earlier in the thread. The 538 average showed Clinton winning by about 3.5 percentage points; she won by 2. So if you want to tell me that the national polls are underestimating Trump support by about a point and a half nationally, well, then you've got an argument. But what you're presenting here is called "wishful thinking" rather than an argument.

Not everything is a conspiracy. I know I'll never convince some people of that. 

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Trump did lose the last popular vote by like 3 million votes. That would make his supporters a minority. Plus all the polls are showing him down nationally by 6 to 10 points.

 

I only say loud because you see the rallies and those boat parades. You don't see any of that for Biden.

DR thinks everything that isn't 100% pro-Trump, is a lie 

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How about joining us in the reality-based community for a bit.

 

Projection is a hell of a thing. This coming from the guy who wrote, without compunction, that Biden has the most "stable race/lead in modern history". You're living in fantasy land where the media tells you the truth. That's why you're so uninformed on so many things. 

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Trump wasn't on the ballot. 

Not technically but he was 

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Projection is a hell of a thing. This coming from the guy who wrote, without compunction, that Biden has the most "stable race/lead in modern history". You're living in fantasy land where the media tells you the truth. That's why you're so uninformed on so many things. 

Poor DR, this must all be so tough on you 

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Projection is a hell of a thing. This coming from the guy who wrote, without compunction, that Biden has the most "stable race/lead in modern history". You're living in fantasy land where the media tells you the truth. That's why you're so uninformed on so many things. 

First, to Backintheday544 -- your posts are intelligent, reasoned, and well worth reading. I have learned a couple things from them, including that I can drill down into the 538 poll listing to see how the poll was conducted. Thank you. But you make the horrible mistake of thinking you are arguing with a logical, rational person in DR. He is an all-out conspiracy theorist. I tried to plumb the depths of that paranoia in some other threads. Suffice to say it goes way, way deeper than you might think. It is literally no use making rational fact-based arguments with someone who thinks a baby-eating cabal is pulling the strings behind the scenes and that Trump is the anointed one who will bring them to justice. (I am not kidding).

Second, to DR: you will no doubt accuse me of resorting to mockery. So first: tell me what is wrong about how I characterized those 2 key aspects of your thinking. If you don't believe them (or one of them?) disabuse me of that misperception now. And then: I repeat, the polls have been remarkably consistent, showing a 6-8 point Biden lead from the time it was clear he would get the nomination. If that's wrong, show me. If not, stop cackling.

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So, the Slippery DR won't answer a simple question (again). True or False:

 

1. a behind-the-scenes cabal exists.

2. If yes, it perpetuates child sex trafficking. (If no, I'm not sure why you've been wasting your breath on those 200 page threads)

3. If yes (same comment if no), it continues to work to install sympathetic persons in positions of power, including those in active cahoots with it.

4. If yes (same comment if no), that cabal has engaged in ritualistic killings of child victims, or in killings intended to harvest something of psychic or medical value from those child victims.

4. Donald Trump was recruited by enemies of that cabal in order to bring some of its leading perpetrators to justice.

 

Simple. Answer these questions. We'll know what to make of your comments.

 

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Now we've reached the portion of Frank's meltdown where he assigns me positions I do not hold and argues against them because he's absolutely nutty. 

 

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But it's still not as funny as writing this with a straight face: 

 

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And again ... the most stable race/lead in modern polling history.

 

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And so, loyal PPP readers, there you have it.

He. Won't. Answer.

It's too embarrassing for him to come right out and tell us why he holds these curious beliefs that the NONE of the polls are to be given credence.

He says I'm ascribing false beliefs to him. So why isn't it easy for him to say, "No, I don't believe a secret cabal is running the world behind the scenes, and that Donald J. Trump has been recruited to vanquish it" 

If someone ascribes a false belief to me, believe me, I'm the first to cry foul and to disavow it.

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And so, loyal PPP readers, there you have it.

He. Won't. Answer.

It's too embarrassing for him to come right out and tell us why he holds these curious beliefs that the NONE of the polls are to be given credence.

 

I won't answer? Gee, it's not like I have 50k+ posts putting my own beliefs into my own words. It's all there for you to see, yet you want to make up positions I hold then argue against them. Why? Because you're an asshat who keeps getting embarrassed down here. 

 

You're not very good at this whole trying to get under my skin thing. But watch what can make you spiral: 

 

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