Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 20 hours ago, Doc said: Cam might want to opt out as well. More time then to cruise thrift stores for wardrobe and accessories. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 10 hours ago, Ghost_002! said: They went 11-5 Then 3-1 without brady Their last SB was won on defense. Brady and the offense was nonexistent Plus they have won a couple SBs without Dante Scarnecchia(their former oline coach) before. Those days are over. And the Cheaters won all their SBs with Scarnecchia and Brady. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 I may not like the guy, but Belicheck is up there with Lombardi, Parcells, Paul Brown, etc. as the best coaches in NFL history. I know all the downsides on cheating and so on, but he is a winner all the way back to DC role for the Giants. Having said that, losing 7 players, and an amazing offensive line coach, plus the defensive players that left in free agency (3 of them), it is very difficult to imagine they will have a strong team. I just hope they win enough to not get close to Trevor Lawrence next year. That would be a nightmare. I don’t think they will be that bad to get close to #1, and I don’t see many teams wanting to trade out of their #1 spot for the Pats. I don’t see the Bengals having that good of a year even with Burrow as the rest of the team is just bad. It’s also hard to see the Lions and Jags having good teams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_002! Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Doc said: Those days are over. And the Cheaters won all their SBs with Scarnecchia and Brady. Wrong. Edited August 2, 2020 by Ghost_002! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 12 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said: Wrong. My bad. They won 1 without him. The era is over. Belicheat will be out of the door soon as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Doc said: My bad. They won 1 without him. The era is over. Belicheat will be out of the door soon as well. Yea they won the Seattle Superbowl during his first retirement. They have better talent on the line now than they did then too, albeit Cannon opting out hurts. Still the oline should be a strength of that team. The problem is other than that and the secondary every other unit looks like a weakness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 12 hours ago, Ghost_002! said: They went 11-5 Then 3-1 without brady Their last SB was won on defense. Brady and the offense was nonexistent Plus they have won a couple SBs without Dante Scarnecchia(their former oline coach) before. You seem to be a fan of BB so I'll leave you to it. Enjoy the season if we have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Bailing on Bill the Patriot way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 2, 2020 Author Share Posted August 2, 2020 (edited) Those who are skeptical of the Pats continuing their decades long standard of winning the division and contending for a SB are not looking at each of these things in a vacuum and saying “they won a SB without scarnecchia, they can do it again “ they went 11-5 without Brady, they can do it again” “they have won without great WRs, they can do it again” “they win with defensive scheme, not players, so losing all these guys is fine”... they are looking at it as the drip - drip - drip effect of all of these things at the same time. They have not made the playoffs without Brady. They are losing 7 players from an already thin roster. Especially this season, depth and familiarity are going to be critical and they do not have it. My PTSD (Patriots Traumatic Stress Disorder) keeps me from betting against Belichick. But I definitely see why people do not think they will just continue along as they have, as there is a big confluence of factors that point the other way. I tend to think the biggest issue is the loss of defensive starters. Their front 7 is very unimpressive on paper. I think teams could put up some points especially if cam can’t sustain drives. Imo. Edited August 2, 2020 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SCBills Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 (edited) The Pats, IMO, look to be good enough to not be that good, but also not be that bad. Ideal scenario would be them drafting in the teens - which based on their talent level, is where I’d envision them. Of course, it’s the Pats, so I say that while also thinking they’ll somehow, someway, still win a bunch of games. What they dont look like they’ll be, is a team drafting top 5 with a shot a Lawrence or Fields. Edited August 2, 2020 by SCBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 How are they going to have room for all of those players to come back year with all the comp picks and All Pros picked up off the street to replace player who opted out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ghost_002! Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Doc said: My bad. They won 1 without him. The era is over. Belicheat will be out of the door soon as well. As if right now he still there. They are still considered a threat. Ask your GM 1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said: You seem to be a fan of BB so I'll leave you to it. Enjoy the season if we have one. Shouldn't matter. Discussing football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 8 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said: As if right now he still there. They are still considered a threat. Ask your GM Never said he wasn't still there or not a threat. But it's coming to a close. My bet is he steps down within the next 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_002! Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Just now, Doc said: Never said he wasn't still there or not a threat. But it's coming to a close. My bet is he steps down within the next 2 years. You would lose that bet...he is not retiring no time soon. He is gunning for Shula's coaching record Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 34 minutes ago, SCBills said: The Pats, IMO, look to be good enough to not be that good, but also not be that bad. Ideal scenario would be them drafting in the teens - which based on their talent level, is where I’d envision them. Of course, it’s the Pats, so I say that while also thinking they’ll somehow, someway, still win a bunch of games. What they dont look like they’ll be, is a team drafting top 5 with a shot a Lawrence or Fields. I think there is a very real chance they have a shot at one of the top QBs now. I think their current talent after opt outs.... they are probably a team that will draft in the top 6 and they have ammunition to move up further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crosscut100 Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 On 7/28/2020 at 8:05 AM, Stank_Nasty said: I’m not a big fan of this. Just setting up that huge asterisk next to your name after we win a division title this year..... that we were gonna win anyways Worse they are going to tank for Lawerence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think there is a very real chance they have a shot at one of the top QBs now. I think their current talent after opt outs.... they are probably a team that will draft in the top 6 and they have ammunition to move up further. Depends on whether Cam has anything left in the tank, I suppose. I’ll believe it when I see it. Luckily, they’ll likely have to have the worst record in the NFL to get Trevor Lawrence. I can’t imagine more than handful of teams would trade out of that spot, and those teams would be shocking to see picking #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 31 minutes ago, SCBills said: Depends on whether Cam has anything left in the tank, I suppose. I’ll believe it when I see it. Luckily, they’ll likely have to have the worst record in the NFL to get Trevor Lawrence. I can’t imagine more than handful of teams would trade out of that spot, and those teams would be shocking to see picking #1. and whose going to be the one to trade it to the Patriots so they can get a new QB for the next couple decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_002! Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 They are not tanking..that is not BB plus you don't pick up Cam Newton if you were thinking about tanking. Such a foolish narrative people keep talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 These Pats* fans trolling a Bills Board is just sad. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 CB, you’re a good dude. Who is a Pats fan trolling here? What is their avatar name? I honestly don’t care, but fun to play with these guys since we are going to sweep them, and Moss is going to run all over Gilmore this year. Get ready for some whip ars Patsies. Was that a good rise CB? Just trying to play along. Couldn’t have done this for the last twenty years, but now I hope 1,000 Pats fans come here especially when they go 6-10 and make excuses about opting out, Brady, free agency, when all teams faced the same challenges. Here’s to the, going 0-10 the next five years and Belicheck buys 30 cats and is a recluse. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 1 minute ago, machine gun kelly said: CB, you’re a good dude. Who is a Pats fan trolling here? What is their avatar name? I honestly don’t care, but fun to play with these guys since we are going to sweep them, and Moss is going to run all over Gilmore this year. Get ready for some whip ars Patsies. Was that a good rise CB? Just trying to play along. Couldn’t have done this for the last twenty years, but now I hope 1,000 Pats fans come here especially when they go 6-10 and make excuses about opting out, Brady, free agency, when all teams faced the same challenges. Here’s to the, going 0-10 the next five years and Belicheck buys 30 cats and is a recluse. ? The new poster Ghost_002! (a couple of posts above) just signed up and only talks about BB and the Pats*. He's already calling posters "foolish". I don't mind other teams fans coming here and talking but at least let the board know what you are. My greatest regret about the Covid stuff (when it comes to football) is we are going to miss out on the NE fans at their home games. I bet it would of been brutal this year when they start losing! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_002! Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: The new poster Ghost_002! (a couple of posts above) just signed up and only talks about BB and the Pats*. He's already calling posters "foolish". I don't mind other teams fans coming here and talking but at least let the board know what you are. My greatest regret about the Covid stuff (when it comes to football) is we are going to miss out on the NE fans at their home games. I bet it would of been brutal this year when they start losing! You mean me. Wrong again. I said it's a foolish narrative. I didnt call any poster foolish. Wanna try again? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Ghost, to be clear to give you the benefit of the doubt, you are a diehard Bills fan, hate the Patriots like every other Bills fan and can’t wait to see them flame and burn right? You’re answer will dictate whether you are a Pats or not. At least the Jets did was honest about it. If you’re a real Bills fan, you wouldn’t like the Pats. All of us respect them, but we don’t have to like them like all of those years when they were our whipping boy from 1988-2009. They had a decent team with Parcells, but that was about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said: You mean me. Wrong again. I said it's a foolish narrative. I didnt call any poster foolish. Wanna try again? You're new to the board so I'll let you know that you can't "bait" me. You guys had a long run but it's over. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_002! Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 (edited) For the both of you...there is nothing to hide I am a Pats fan. Nothing I was trying to hide And bait you into what??? Im on topic with this thread I can definitely go back in forth with you but you won't like it cause your team has proven nothing. I don't do on paper Champs. Edited August 2, 2020 by Ghost_002! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said: For the both of you...there is nothing to hide I am a Pats fan. Nothing I was trying to hide And bait you into what??? Im on topic with this thread I can definitely go back in forth with you but you won't like it cause your team has proven nothing. I don't do on paper Champs. It's good you claimed your allegiance. Here's a song for you and your friends. You're gonna need it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_002! Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 (edited) Ok... You do realize your team hasn't done anything right? Absolutely nothing, right? Win first, then talk. Edited August 2, 2020 by Ghost_002! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, SCBills said: Depends on whether Cam has anything left in the tank, I suppose. I’ll believe it when I see it. Luckily, they’ll likely have to have the worst record in the NFL to get Trevor Lawrence. I can’t imagine more than handful of teams would trade out of that spot, and those teams would be shocking to see picking #1. The Jaguars are pretty dumb though. And that is without the possibility that the Jags are #1, the Pats are say #6 and are the second obvious QB needy team. You wanna bet Lawrence doesn't try and find a way to do an Eli? I am not willing to rule that out. Edited August 2, 2020 by GunnerBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said: Ok... You do realize your team hasn't done anything right? Absolutely nothing, right? Win first, then talk. Yeah obviously we still to actually beat them and the team would be the first ones to say it but your heads up your ass if you don't think things are looking increasingly bleak for the Patriots this season. Edited August 2, 2020 by Warcodered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_002! Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Yeah obviously we still to actually beat them and the team would be the first ones to say it but your heads up your ass if you don't think things are looking increasingly bleak for the Patriots this season. Big difference with me..i don't have to act like the sky is fallen...BB is still there and despite everything they are still a threat to win the division. I am ok w that. I dont need to see them in the SB every year.... Chess not checkers.... Edited August 2, 2020 by Ghost_002! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Ghost, look up Ice Bowl. He’s a Packers fan through and through. He’s actually love on this board. You know why. He comes here from time to time because he loves the Bills and the fans. Of course every four years he roots for his team and everyone gives him a pass, and even says a lot of nice things about his storied team. You can tell his spirit. Thank you for at least admitting you’re allegiance and no worries posting. If you love the Bills too, come on down. We’d love to have you. As far as the other stuff, ok. We’ll see. As an FYI, it’s a new world for me as the first half of my life I lived in Buffalo, the second half has been in Tampa as you ca; see on my avatar. I’m rooting for the Bucs with Brady who as much as he drove me nuts is probably the best QB ever. He moved on. If you think losing 8 players, and a GOAT of a QB is so easy and Belicheck, who is up there with Paul Brown, Lombardi, Parcells (another guy of you’re briefly), and Shula can be fixed, you’re in the delusional Pats world. Have fun as you lost three starters on defense before the opt out, and now another 8. Not that all are starters, but if you think McD is anything like Wrex, you’re out of you’re mind. Wrex was an abomination for us, but we have a coaching staff and management team that can stand toe to toe with you. Talk at the end of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_002! Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 (edited) I think you need to go back and read all my posts. I have said nothing negative about the bills nor their fans. I just responded to the thread. I said they are a threat to win the division. I said nothing else about a superbowl or how many wins they will get..so this denial narrative that you are trying so hard to put on me i do not understand. They are still a threat I said "threat" I didn't say win..a threat to win the division...this division is not very strong..i know bills fans think your team is untouchable but outside up state new york..the AFC East is not much.... The pats lost a hall of famer and require a former MVP who nobody outside of New England has any medical report on his health just speculating I dont care who loves the bills or who doesn't. Good for you all, supportyour team. Be a fan. All I know and I did was comment on the thread and said nothing negative about the bills or their fans. And to add..the head of the snake is still with the Pats The man who took Gilmore and turned him into maybe the best corner in the league. So I am ok with what is going on with the Pats. Edited August 2, 2020 by Ghost_002! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said: I think you need to go back and read all my posts. I have said nothing negative about the bills nor their fans. I just responded to the thread. I said they are a threat to win the division. I said nothing else about a superbowl or how many wins they will get..so this denial narrative that you are trying so hard to put on me i do not understand. They are still a threat I said "threat" I didn't say win..a threat to win the division...this division is not very strong..i know bills fans think your team is untouchable but outside up state new york..the AFC East is not much.... The pats lost a hall of famer and require a former MVP who nobody outside of New England has any medical report on his health just speculating I dont care who loves the bills or who doesn't. Good for you all, supportyour team. Be a fan. All I know and I did was comment on the thread and said nothing negative about the bills or their fans. I just don't get why fans of other teams want to come here and post. What's the point? I would never go to another team's message board, create an account, and start posting. Why? Because I have no interest in their teams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 1 minute ago, MJS said: I just don't get why fans of other teams want to come here and post. What's the point? I would never go to another team's message board, create an account, and start posting. Why? Because I have no interest in their teams. Because not everyone only has interest in their own team. Don't try and impose your style of fandom on everyone else. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said: I think you need to go back and read all my posts. I have said nothing negative about the bills nor their fans. I just responded to the thread. I said they are a threat to win the division. I said nothing else about a superbowl or how many wins they will get..so this denial narrative that you are trying so hard to put on me i do not understand. They are still a threat I said "threat" I didn't say win..a threat to win the division...this division is not very strong..i know bills fans think your team is untouchable but outside up state new york..the AFC East is not much.... The pats lost a hall of famer and require a former MVP who nobody outside of New England has any medical report on his health just speculating I dont care who loves the bills or who doesn't. Good for you all, supportyour team. Be a fan. All I know and I did was comment on the thread and said nothing negative about the bills or their fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_002! Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 12 minutes ago, MJS said: I just don't get why fans of other teams want to come here and post. What's the point? I would never go to another team's message board, create an account, and start posting. Why? Because I have no interest in their teams. Its called having a sport discussion. Every board in America has other opposing fans on it and its a free country. You do not have to respond to any of them or even me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 2, 2020 Author Share Posted August 2, 2020 49 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said: Big difference with me..i don't have to act like the sky is fallen...BB is still there and despite everything they are still a threat to win the division. I am ok w that. I dont need to see them in the SB every year.... Chess not checkers.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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