There should be a national dialogue in getting back to work

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, Boatdrinks said:

Maybe it will take Politician’s fear of the insurrection act to make them lift the extreme and burdensome lockdown measures . 

 

We have the power. Just have to fight through the fear. 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

People have long been asking why it is safer to buy a $20 dress at WalMart than a $2K dress at Nordstrom.


 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...we as a Union construction contracting firm are FINALLY getting support from the National organization....as a defined NYS essential business, our operations continue (except for PA & NJ being totally shut down)......so apprentices and a similarly paid worker class of non-Union converts, did the math and found out they could make MORE money staying home.....hence we lost 35 workers (none Covid-19 infected; feared bringing it home to family) who took voluntary furloughs/layoffs....now the National is requiring these folks to return to respective local Unions and sign up as "available"....refuse work and we have a vehicle to protest their unemployment with Union National's support.....

[Koko78]

10 hours ago, Magox said:

This is a 3 minute clip of the one I was referencing about Tucker Carlson last night where @Hedge posted.   
 

It is straight ?

 

 

 

Well, looks like Michigan is in the lead for where the riots start. This clueless broad is the one who declared that she will not sign anything that reduces her powers to "protect people" act like a dictator during the crisis... which will last as long as she says it lasts.

 

8 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

New Jersey wants in on the fun........

 

Latest Coronavirus Insanity: Surfing Is Allowed But Swimming Is Not

 

 

 

 

 

So, does sitting in a chair while fishing make one more susceptible to the Flu Manchu?

[Walking Tall]

Two issues.

 

1- Politicians that are loving their newfound power.

 

2- Citizens that are lazy and enjoying "free" money.

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

4 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

People have long been asking why it is safer to buy a $20 dress at WalMart than a $2K dress at Nordstrom.


 

 

Because the government can control a Costco a lot easier than they can a small business.

[Magox]

36 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

Well, looks like Michigan is in the lead for where the riots start. This clueless broad is the one who declared that she will not sign anything that reduces her powers to "protect people" act like a dictator during the crisis... which will last as long as she says it lasts.

 

 

So, does sitting in a chair while fishing make one more susceptible to the Flu Manchu?

 

She is a tyrant.  

[RiotAct]

8 hours ago, dubs said:

 

How DARE someone cut hair or have their haircut!  Fuhrer Cuomo didn't permit that.  Anything less than total confiscation of everything the state lets them have and incarceration is unacceptable!

Cuomo should invade the New England states so we can have more lebensraum.

[B-Man]

Democrats Drunk With Pandemic Power Could be Undercutting Themselves Come November

by Brad Slager

 

Original Article

 

Flexing unearned influence has exposed the thirst for control of their citizens. In Pennsylvania Governor Tom Wolf caught a whiff of his constituents working up the desire to step out and start living their lives once again. The idea of citizens exerting their freedoms and basking in the normalcy of liberty was too much for him to stand. On Monday he sent out a tweet storm, delivering a series of firm commands of how he intends to clamp down on those who might dare get the idea of doing things.

 

 

 

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, B-Man said:

Democrats Drunk With Pandemic Power Could be Undercutting Themselves Come November

by Brad Slager

 

Original Article

 

Flexing unearned influence has exposed the thirst for control of their citizens. In Pennsylvania Governor Tom Wolf caught a whiff of his constituents working up the desire to step out and start living their lives once again. The idea of citizens exerting their freedoms and basking in the normalcy of liberty was too much for him to stand. On Monday he sent out a tweet storm, delivering a series of firm commands of how he intends to clamp down on those who might dare get the idea of doing things.

 

 

 

 

GREAT SOURCE BRO!

 

This more or less says - have faith PIGS - have faith that Trumps handling of the virus; 90,000+ dead Americans, Russia (it will never go away despite how hard @Deranged Rhino tries to extinguish that fire); Trumps taxes; his endless RAPE cases - won't sink the ENTIRE GOP.

 

 

[B-Man]

                 

 

 

 

 

                

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

Sanctuary City for business. That is genius. The natives are restless in California.
 

Atwater is now a business ‘sanctuary city’ during coronavirus pandemic. What does it mean?
 

</snip>
 

“The City of Atwater is not going to go out and enforce any of the shelter in place orders by the state of California,” Mayor Paul Creighton told the Sun-Star. City police and code enforcement will not interfere with businesses that reopen ahead of state guidelines, he said.
 

“But if you do have a state (business) license, that’s between you and the state of California,” Creighton said, noting that the city has no jurisdiction over these licenses.
 

Merced County Sheriff Vern Warnke recently told the Sun-Star that his office is on the same page. “The Sheriff’s Office will not be enforcing the state’s COVID restrictions for businesses that they consider essential or nonessential,” he said.
 

The City of Atwater claims 12 of Merced County’s 200 total cases Friday according to County Public Health.
 

The sanctuary city resolution affirms the city’s commitment to fundamental Constitutional rights. Local officials and residents in attendance made clear their belief that these rights have been stripped recently due to coronavirus-related restrictions.
 

“We have to base our decisions on the Constitution,” said Atwater business owner Chris Coffelt, who brought copies of the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the Amendments for each City Councilmember.
 

“If you receive an order from the governor telling us that we can’t open our business, that’s an illegal order. It’s unconstitutional,” he added.
 

Councilmember Brian Raymond, who thought of the idea, recently told the Sun-Star the plan is similar to cities like Coalinga, who declared all businesses essential in defiance of the governor’s four stages of reopening. But Atwater is likely the first to use the term sanctuary city in this way, he said.
 

</snip>

 

 

[B-Man]

STACY MCCAIN: Remember How Everybody Was Going to Die Because Georgia Ended Lockdowns? 

 

“As of 10 a.m. today, Georgia’s per-capita death rate from COVID-19 (measured in deaths per million residents) was 150, which was 88.5% lower than the rate of New York’s death rate of 1,417. Oh, and just for your information, the daily number of U.S. coronavirus deaths nationwide peaked at 2,683 — on April 21, which was 25 days ago. The highest daily number of deaths in the past week was 1,772 on Wednesday (May 13), and that number was 34% below the April 21 peak.”

 

 

Neither the models nor the modelers have performed exactly brilliantly.

 

And as for the news media, well, it’s been total garbage.

 

 

 

 

[BillStime]

2 minutes ago, B-Man said:

STACY MCCAIN: Remember How Everybody Was Going to Die Because Georgia Ended Lockdowns? 

 

“As of 10 a.m. today, Georgia’s per-capita death rate from COVID-19 (measured in deaths per million residents) was 150, which was 88.5% lower than the rate of New York’s death rate of 1,417. Oh, and just for your information, the daily number of U.S. coronavirus deaths nationwide peaked at 2,683 — on April 21, which was 25 days ago. The highest daily number of deaths in the past week was 1,772 on Wednesday (May 13), and that number was 34% below the April 21 peak.”

 

 

Neither the models nor the modelers have performed exactly brilliantly.

 

And as for the news media, well, it’s been total garbage.

 

 

 

 

defintiely the media’s fault lmao

[B-Man]

 

 

PEGGY NOONAN, The Lockdown Class War.

There is a class divide between those who are hard-line on lockdowns and those who are pushing back. We see the professionals on one side—those James Burnham called the managerial elite, and Michael Lind, in “The New Class War,” calls “the overclass”—and regular people on the other. The overclass are highly educated and exert outsize influence as managers and leaders of important institutions—hospitals, companies, statehouses. The normal people aren’t connected through professional or social lines to power structures, and they have regular jobs—service worker, small-business owner.

 

Since the pandemic began, the overclass has been in charge—scientists, doctors, political figures, consultants—calling the shots for the average people. But personally they have less skin in the game. The National Institutes of Health scientist won’t lose his livelihood over what’s happened. Neither will the midday anchor.

 

I’ve called this divide the protected versus the unprotected. There is an aspect of it that is not much discussed but bears on current arguments. How you have experienced life has a lot to do with how you experience the pandemic and its strictures. I think it’s fair to say citizens of red states have been pushing back harder than those of blue states.

 

It’s not that those in red states don’t think there’s a pandemic. They’ve heard all about it! They realize it will continue, they know they may get sick themselves. But they also figure this way: Hundreds of thousands could die and the American economy taken down, which would mean millions of other casualties, economic ones. Or, hundreds of thousands could die and the American economy is damaged but still stands, in which case there will be fewer economic casualties—fewer bankruptcies and foreclosures, fewer unemployed and ruined.

 

They’ll take the latter. It’s a loss either way but one loss is worse than the other. They know the politicians and scientists can’t really weigh all this on a scale with any precision because life is a messy thing that doesn’t want to be quantified.

 

Here’s a generalization based on a lifetime of experience and observation. The working-class people who are pushing back have had harder lives than those now determining their fate. They haven’t had familial or economic ease. No one sent them to Yale. They often come from considerable family dysfunction. This has left them tougher or harder, you choose the word.

 

They’re more fatalistic about life because life has taught them to be fatalistic. And they look at these scientists and reporters making their warnings about how tough it’s going to be if we lift shutdowns and they don’t think, “Oh what informed, caring observers.” They think, “You have no idea what tough is. You don’t know what painful is.” And if you don’t know, why should you have so much say?

 

The overclass says, “Wait three months before we’re safe.” They reply, “There’s no such thing as safe.”

 

Something else is true about those pushing back. They live life closer to the ground and pick up other damage. Everyone knows the societal costs in the abstract—“domestic violence,” “child abuse.” . . . .

 

Meanwhile some governors are playing into every stereotype of “the overclass.” On Tuesday Pennsylvania’s Tom Wolf said in a press briefing that those pushing against the shutdown are cowards. Local officials who “cave in to this coronavirus” will pay a price in state funding. “These folks are choosing to desert in the face of the enemy. In the middle of a war.” He said he’ll pull state certificates such as liquor licenses for any businesses that open. He must have thought he sounded uncompromising, like Gen. George Patton. He seemed more like Patton slapping the soldier. No sympathy, no respect, only judgment.

 

Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer called anti-lockdown demonstrations “racist and misogynistic.” She called the entire movement “political.” It was, in part—there have been plenty of Trump signs, and she’s a possible Democratic vice presidential nominee. But the clamor in her state is real, and serious.

People are in economic distress and worry that the foundations of their lives are being swept away. How does name-calling help? She might as well have called them “deplorables.” She said the protests may only make the lockdowns last longer, which sounded less like irony than a threat.

 

When you are reasonable with people and show them respect, they will want to respond in kind. But when they feel those calling the shots are being disrespectful, they will push back hard and rebel even in ways that hurt them.

 

And if your words and behavior cause such a reaction, you’re doing “public health” wrong.

 

 

Related: Protests show two Americas — those who lost their jobs and those still getting paid.

 

Also: A bitter class war is raging between the ‘haves’ and ‘have-nots’ of lockdown.

 

Plus: Nearly 40% of low-income households hit by job loss.

 

[SoCal Deek]

I have to wonder how long it is before Hollywood realizes that they’re not essential. When that happens, this is going to crumble! Most of the folks in the TV and film industry are not highly paid.

[Chef Jim]

2 hours ago, BillStime said:

defintiely the media’s fault lmao

The media’s fault?  What are you taking about. Who is blaming the media for what exactly?

[Q-baby!]

42 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

The media’s fault?  What are you taking about. Who is blaming the media for what exactly?

Ribs are on! Stop in later! 

[B-Man]