Hardhatharry Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 This should have been left up to the hospitals, as soon as they are not overwhelmed you can start opening things up slowly starting with Parks and beaches. Never let a politician tell you what to do though.
Deranged Rhino Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hardhatharry said: This should have been left up to the hospitals, as soon as they are not overwhelmed you can start opening things up slowly starting with Parks and beaches. Never let a politician tell you what to do though. Gee. You mean kind of like the administration has been suggesting from day one? That it's a local to state to federal chain rather than the inverse? It's amazing! 1
B-Man Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 What a Prolonged Shutdown Will Cost in Human Life by Jacki Deason Original Article Governor Says Colorado Planning to Gradually Reopen Economy Associated Press, by Staff Original Article The Economy Doesn’t Need Government ‘Help’ To Reopen Issues & Insights, by The Editorial Board Original Article . 1
dpberr Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, Hardhatharry said: This should have been left up to the hospitals, as soon as they are not overwhelmed you can start opening things up slowly starting with Parks and beaches. Never let a politician tell you what to do though. The majority of hospitals are chomping at the bit to reopen because in most states, governors have prohibited their revenue generating elective and outpatient surgeries. They aren't all-pro quarantine as you might first believe. 4
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 Long thread: This long thread from earlier today about what is being worked on: 1 2
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 Barr Says DOJ May Act Against Governors With Strict Virus Limits The Justice Department will consider taking legal action against governors who continue to impose stringent rules for dealing with the coronavirus that infringe on constitutional rights once the crisis subsides in their states, Attorney General William Barr said. </snip> “We have to give businesses more freedom to operate in a way that’s reasonably safe,” Barr said. “To the extent that governors don’t and impinge on either civil rights or on the national commerce -- our common market that we have here -- then we’ll have to address that.” </snip> 2 4
Artful Dodger Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 19 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Barr Says DOJ May Act Against Governors With Strict Virus Limits The Justice Department will consider taking legal action against governors who continue to impose stringent rules for dealing with the coronavirus that infringe on constitutional rights once the crisis subsides in their states, Attorney General William Barr said. </snip> “We have to give businesses more freedom to operate in a way that’s reasonably safe,” Barr said. “To the extent that governors don’t and impinge on either civil rights or on the national commerce -- our common market that we have here -- then we’ll have to address that.” </snip> I'm one who believes we should open back up as soon as is possible once the risks have been mitigated, but when President Trump issued his guidelines for reopening last Friday, he suggested that reopening was "implementable on a statewide basis at governors' discretion." And yet four days later, the attorney general is threatening governors with legal action if they impose stringent rules for dealing with the coronavirus. So what's changed between last Friday and today? No wonder governors get so frustrated with Trump.
shoshin Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Hardhatharry said: This should have been left up to the hospitals, as soon as they are not overwhelmed you can start opening things up slowly starting with Parks and beaches. If your definition of "overwhelmed" is that they are caring for patients like they were before and also have capacity for Covid patients, that is a very long ways off.
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 Just now, Artful Dodger said: I'm one who believes we should open back up as soon as is possible once the risks have been mitigated, but when President Trump issued his guidelines for reopening last Friday, he suggested that reopening was "implementable on a statewide basis at governors' discretion." And yet four days later, the attorney general is threatening governors with legal action if they impose stringent rules for dealing with the coronavirus. So what's changed between last Friday and today? No wonder governors get so frustrated with Trump. If the AG saw laws being broken, he has a duty to get involved, no? For instance, the drive-in churches in Mississippi. He saw it as a Constitutional right to worship being unfairly impinged by a Mayor. IOW, if you are allowed to go to a grocery store and stay 6' away from other patrons, why can't you go to an open church and stay 6' away from other worshipers? If you can sit in a vehicle in a long line for a food pantry pick-up, why can't you sit in a vehicle in a church parking lot? For all I know, that is what he will be looking at going forward. But, I really have no idea what Barr plans, what they see as gubernatorial overreach, or what laws the DOJ felt were broken. 1
shoshin Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, Artful Dodger said: I'm one who believes we should open back up as soon as is possible once the risks have been mitigated, but when President Trump issued his guidelines for reopening last Friday, he suggested that reopening was "implementable on a statewide basis at governors' discretion." And yet four days later, the attorney general is threatening governors with legal action if they impose stringent rules for dealing with the coronavirus. So what's changed between last Friday and today? No wonder governors get so frustrated with Trump. If anything, Trump is never ever consistent.
Magox Posted April 21, 2020 Author Posted April 21, 2020 25 minutes ago, Artful Dodger said: I'm one who believes we should open back up as soon as is possible once the risks have been mitigated, but when President Trump issued his guidelines for reopening last Friday, he suggested that reopening was "implementable on a statewide basis at governors' discretion." And yet four days later, the attorney general is threatening governors with legal action if they impose stringent rules for dealing with the coronavirus. So what's changed between last Friday and today? No wonder governors get so frustrated with Trump. By reading his quotes, I think he wasn't necessarily speaking about the stay-at-home orders as much as some of the more onerous and stringent directives that some of the governors are imposing on their citizenry. Most likely some of the ones we are hearing out of Michigan. 1
B-Man Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 Medical Experts Appear on ‘Life, Liberty, and Levin’ to Urge Leaders to Reopen America. Restaurants’ bailout problem: Unemployment pays more. I get the feeling that expanded payouts are mostly a sop to #FightFor15, but really it will just speed up the move to automation. . 1
B-Man Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 Deliberate blindness ? San Jose mayor says large gatherings ‘are not realistic’ until 2021. Flashback: San Jose Mayor Justifies Mob Violence. Related: Los Angeles Mayor Says He May Block Major Events Until 2021. . 1 1
Foxx Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 Thousands of small-business owners’ data may have been exposed by breach on SBA disaster-loan site NEW YORK — Thousands of small business owners reeling from the aggressive measures taken to halt the spread of the coronavirus may have had their personal information exposed last month on a government website that handles disaster loan applications. The Small Business Administration said Tuesday that the personal information of more than 7,000 business owners applying for economic injury disaster loans was potentially seen by other applicants on the SBA website on March 25. The SBA said only the disaster loan program was affected, not the Paycheck Protection Program, which did not begin until April 3 and which is handled by a separate system. ... 1 2
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 The Georgia Governor is on Fox right now... Martha MacCallum asked him WHY would you open up hair dressers, nail salons, and tattoo parlors first? Governor: Because those are the businesses that are closed. He's also talking about all the hospitals that are paying off because they do not have work (elective surgeries, etc). Businesses can do temperature screening on their employees. He's making a lot of sense. His state will be watched closely, I am sure. 1 1
Boatdrinks Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Sadly, this will become more common as shutdowns continue. 1
LeGOATski Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Making his "friend's" suicide political. Sounds like a real winner.... 2
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 Just now, LeGOATski said: Making his "friend's" suicide political. Sounds like a real winner.... Actually, many people have pointed out this will be an issue going forward. There are stats that show how much suicide rises in a time of big unemployment. When you have lost everything, suicide does happen. 1
Boatdrinks Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 Just now, Buffalo_Gal said: The Georgia Governor is on Fox right now... Martha MacCallum asked him WHY would you open up hair dressers, nail salons, and tattoo parlors first? Governor: Because those are the businesses that are closed. He's also talking about all the hospitals that are paying off because they do not have work (elective surgeries, etc). Businesses can do temperature screening on their employees. He's making a lot of sense. His state will be watched closely, I am sure. She keeps asking about screening, but I don’t think business will be screening nearly the amount that some people think. It’s just not a realistic proposition. Perhaps waivers will need to be signed for gyms, etc. A temperature screening is probably about it. We’re not going to be able to test people on the spot to enter establishments etc.
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