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1 minute ago, White Linen said:

I'd argue Singletary and Beasley are not defined as playmakers.  They're nice complimentary players but they do not drive offenses like playmakers do.  

 

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You do you

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3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

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You do you

 

I mean if you want those type of players to be our top end - it's not going to be good enough.  

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24 minutes ago, DJB said:

 

I dont recall Beane ever saying that. You have a link? Because if so that helps narrow which WR in the draft we are targeting

 

beane said he wants guys that get separation. slow guys don't get separation speed guys do.  john brown 4,33. cole was 4.49

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I’d be perfectly fine with signing Funchess assuming it’s a cheap deal. No real harm in it and he’d at least give us some coverage as far as a big red zone target goes. 

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6 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

beane said he wants guys that get separation. slow guys don't get separation speed guys do.  john brown 4,33. cole was 4.49

 

Perfect thanks. 

 

That means we aren't just limited to small fast guys, but guys with top separation which includes larger guys

 

Jeudy has the best separation skills of the group by far. Costly to trade up for him though

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Well, for example, Singletary ran a 4.66 40 yd dash.  Beasley in his pre-draft workouts was not exceptionally fast.  They have field vision and quickness.  They are both playmakers. 

 

The question was when Beane has said 100x that he wants speed for Allen, so expect a fast 40 time.

 

So here is a question...I'll try asking it here then I may give it its own thread if no good answer. 

 

We have 2 5th and 3 6th round picks.   Practically speaking, what value would they have in helping Beane trade up? 

 

It seems axiomatic that the first 3-4 rounds are where teams can draft talent they expect to contribute, while 5th and 6th round picks are where teams take flyers on talent that slips due to off-field issues/injury.

 

...great question and there is probably no easy answer.....do you treat The Value Chart as gospel or as a rough guideline, or throw it out altogether?......do you target teams that are pick thin who may be interested in acquiring more?.....some say the late picks are "garbage anyhow"........BUT....how about Bflo's uncanny success in the 5th?.......or even UDFA's?......I've been a BIG help, haven't I??.......hopefully the far more astute chime in...........

 

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2 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

beane said he wants guys that get separation. slow guys don't get separation speed guys do.  john brown 4,33. cole was 4.49

 

Beane saying he wants guys that get separation, and Beane saying he wants "speed for Allen" are two different statements.

 

What makes Cole Beasley dangerous as a WR isn't his 4.5s straight-line 40x in shorts, it's his route running abilities and short-area quickness.  If speed = separation, Robert Foster would be elite.

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1 hour ago, aristocrat said:

 

who?

Don't get him started.   HOF is bucking to become HRuggs3 Agent and PR man

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7 minutes ago, DJB said:

 

Perfect thanks. 

 

That means we aren't just limited to small fast guys, but guys with top separation which includes larger guys

 

Jeudy has the best separation skills of the group by far. Costly to trade up for him though

 

 

 

jeudy runs a sub 4,4 40 according to what he did when training before the super bowl 

7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Beane saying he wants guys that get separation, and Beane saying he wants "speed for Allen" are two different statements.

 

What makes Cole Beasley dangerous as a WR isn't his 4.5s straight-line 40x in shorts, it's his route running abilities and short-area quickness.  If speed = separation, Robert Foster would be elite.

 

robert woods is pretty damn good. also ran a 4.51 so he isn't exactly slow.  what i'm saying is that bean isn't going for the benjamin types who run 4.61 plus who are huge and have big wingspans but are slow as hell.   i'd say we don't draft a guy who runs slower than a 4.45

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7 minutes ago, CNYfan said:

Don't get him started.   HOF is bucking to become HRuggs3 Agent and PR man

 

that guy has ridiculous speed. blazing fast

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8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Beane saying he wants guys that get separation, and Beane saying he wants "speed for Allen" are two different statements.

 

What makes Cole Beasley dangerous as a WR isn't his 4.5s straight-line 40x in shorts, it's his route running abilities and short-area quickness.  If speed = separation, Robert Foster would be elite.

 

...dead on bud.....aren't the Welkers, Edelmans, Amendolas, etc of the Pats world what have contributed immensely to Brady's success?......

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9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Beane saying he wants guys that get separation, and Beane saying he wants "speed for Allen" are two different statements.

 

What makes Cole Beasley dangerous as a WR isn't his 4.5s straight-line 40x in shorts, it's his route running abilities and short-area quickness.  If speed = separation, Robert Foster would be elite.

 

Quickness - the quality of moving fast or doing something in a short time.

 

i just don't understand what you're arguing against.

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1 hour ago, aristocrat said:

beane has said it like 100 times he wants speed for allen. so expect whoever we sign or draft to have a fast 40

AJ Green or draft is the best options

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1 hour ago, JoPoy88 said:

Not him but i assume he’s referring to Cooper


Hey Jo, it doesn’t sound like you want Cooper, but just who he probably is referring to in FA.  I’m sticking with two TE’s in free agency, and the other picks I mentioned in another thread in the draft.

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/298850/bills-wrs-might-be-smurfs-but-theres-a-place-for-them-in-nfl%3fplatform=amp

 

General manager Brandon Beane said his goal was to get Allen and offensive coordinator Brian Daboll "a variety of weapons" this offseason, with an emphasis on "variety."

"You don't want just three or four of the same thing," Beane said. "If you just have a bunch of fast guys who separate, what happens when the weather changes? Sometimes you play in those cold, wet snow games and the separation's not going to happen because the field conditions won't allow it.

"You still need that big target to be able to make plays on third-and-short, or the red zone -- whatever the situation calls for."

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39 minutes ago, White Linen said:

I mean if you want those type of players to be our top end - it's not going to be good enough.  

 

Nice straw.   "Playmaker" not limited to "top end" either.

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1 hour ago, JoPoy88 said:

Not him but i assume he’s referring to Cooper

Ah ok. I get it

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46 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

Quickness - the quality of moving fast or doing something in a short time.

 

i just don't understand what you're arguing against.

 

Perhaps this will help:

https://core1inc.com/speed-vs-quickness-understanding-the-difference/

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, WhoTom said:

Out of that group, I'd like to see Randall Cobb in a Bills uniform. Sounds like he could be a cap casualty in Dallas, and we've got lots of space. BR predicts he goes to New Orleans, but with their QB situation in limbo, Buffalo sounds like a better destination for him.

 

 

 

I'm sure he'd get over it, but I don't think Beasley would like this signing very much.

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1 hour ago, White Linen said:

 

I'd argue Singletary and Beasley are not defined as playmakers.  They're nice complimentary players but they do not drive offenses like playmakers do.  

Did you just say Devin is not a playmaker?

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Funchess is an easy connection due to McBeane's affinity for signing underachieving ex-Panthers. They didn't want him last year, but that was for $10M. I wouldn't be surprised if this year's price was closer to half of that, though I'd still rather take a shot with Perriman & draft a WR in the first 3 rounds.

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26 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Perhaps you can tell us where Beans said he wanted quickness in playmakers.  You're arguing against speculation with speculation.  Just to argue.  

17 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Did you just say Devin is not a playmaker?

 

I wouldn't put him in that category.  I think he's a good player.  Wasn't a dig on him.  

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25 minutes ago, somnus00 said:

 

I'm sure he'd get over it, but I don't think Beasley would like this signing very much.

 

I know they're both slot receivers, but Cobb is more versatile and more reliable. He can run deep routes out of the slot, carry the ball on a sweep, and he gets good YAC on short passes.

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I’d love to sign Funchess!!!

 

As long as it’s a 1 year minimum with zero gtd money.  That way we don’t have any cap hit when he’s cut before the season

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