billsfan1959 Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 28 minutes ago, BillStime said: I need examples. You need therapy...
BillStime Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: You need therapy...
shoshin Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 17 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I see minimal harm in trying HCQ, but I ain't listenin to that quack. 1
Gary M Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, shoshin said: Mortality rate remains the wrong measure for reopening now that we have a better sense of it. Hospital ICU capacity will remain the limiting resource from this point forward. And we never hit capacity and are finding out more and more people have the antibodies. I believe we are safe. Sadly they keep feeding us partial info to keep us scared and under control!!!
GG Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, shoshin said: Mortality rate remains the wrong measure for reopening now that we have a better sense of it. Hospital ICU capacity will remain the limiting resource from this point forward. It's one of many measures. Hospitalizations are an artifact of new infections, whose growth has dropped dramatically. If you look at any statistic, it shows that we've been on a steep downward decline for the last 2 weeks. 1
Nanker Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 43 minutes ago, shoshin said: Wrong. The count from yesterday, even on that site, is not 11, a number you stated twice, but 1154. It was a low day but every weekend seems to be. Last Saturday, 1156 people died. By Tuesday, it was up around 2500. Stranger how wrong his post was. Yes. I woke up at 4:30 and checked the numbers. I was in error.
shoshin Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, GG said: It's one of many measures. Hospitalizations are an artifact of new infections, whose growth has dropped dramatically. If you look at any statistic, it shows that we've been on a steep downward decline for the last 2 weeks. There is only a minimal drop off in deaths and there is no steep drop in hospitalizations in some places. Both those trail cases, which of course are down with 6-8 weeks of shutdown. Since we lack adequate testing, as we reopen, we will only have hospitalization to function as a measure of our spread and outbreaks. It's a bad way to manage the disease but it's all we have. And since it's the limiting resource, governors will have to keep a close eye on regional hospital rates to ensure there are enough beds. Hospitalization bed availability will drive the reopenings, nothing else, until we get rapid testing/tracking online. Once we have rapid testing/tracking, that will drive things. 1
B-Man Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF THE NUMBERS LOOK THIS WAY NATIONWIDE: Illinois: Elderly care facilities have accounted for 44% of the state’s coronavirus deaths and nearly one in seven confirmed cases, according to a Sun-Times count.
meazza Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, Nanker said: Yes. I woke up at 4:30 and checked the numbers. I was in error. Word to the wise. Always sleep in.
shoshin Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: If this was previously posted, apologies.... Magox and I talked about this issue a lot but with 600 pages, who could follow all the talk here. This is a HUGE issue. My wife is seeing this daily with her patients and we were talking with a nurse cousin yesterday who was saying that they are not as busy right now in non-Covid cases, but the people coming in are SO much sicker than normal. 2 minutes ago, B-Man said: I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF THE NUMBERS LOOK THIS WAY NATIONWIDE: Illinois: Elderly care facilities have accounted for 44% of the state’s coronavirus deaths and nearly one in seven confirmed cases, according to a Sun-Times count. A week or so ago, it was 60+% in PA. Edited May 4, 2020 by shoshin 1 1
Magox Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 4 hours ago, shoshin said: Did Pompeo really say it was genetically modified or not? It’s like he didn’t listen to himself. I would say that he misspoke.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 (edited) 19 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Thanks for posting this breaking news about the dangers of tuning in to caucasian male talk show hosts. I found a separate article that I thought is on point as well. University of California at Berkley study finds statistical evidence suggesting that “greater viewership of Hannity relative to Leave It To Beaver reruns is strongly associated with a greater number of COVID-19 cases and deaths in the early stages of the pandemic” WRITTEN BY HOLDEN MAGROIN PUBLISHED 04/22/20 1:51 PM EDT According to the article, the study authors “calculate that Fox viewers who watched Hannity rather than Beaver were less likely to adhere to social distancing rules, and that areas where more people watched Hannity relative to Beaver had higher local rates of infection and death.” Researchers suggest that in spite of the dangers associated with COVID-19, there is no data that suggests Beaver watchers have any greater risk of catching the virus than the population as a whole. "Our message to the American people is clear, and it's good news for most. Enjoy all the Beaver you can, it's completely safe." said lead researcher C. Howett Fealz. Edited May 4, 2020 by leh-nerd skin-erd 3
Magox Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 1 hour ago, shoshin said: Wrong. The count from yesterday, even on that site, is not 11, a number you stated twice, but 1154. It was a low day but every weekend seems to be. Last Saturday, 1156 people died. By Tuesday, it was up around 2500. Stranger how wrong his post was. Honest mistake... It happens
shoshin Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Magox said: I would say that he misspoke. Which time? 1
Magox Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 59 minutes ago, GG said: There's a higher probability that he knows a lot more than what he's been saying publicly. It sort of reminds me of all those articles and twitter comments from journalists when refer to Trump's statements when he makes them "Without evidence", "not confirmed" , implying that he's full of *****. And then months or even sometimes years later it turns out that he was correct. Yet there are no retractions of these articles. 30 minutes ago, shoshin said: Mortality rate remains the wrong measure for reopening now that we have a better sense of it. Hospital ICU capacity will remain the limiting resource from this point forward. There is no "right" measure, there should be various metrics that are viewed and mortality rate certainly is an important one. 1
IDBillzFan Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: The virus story is done! Stick a fork in it. We’re moving on to the political snarking and blame game. Good times! Quick! Someone wake up Joe and tell him it's time to get his finger on the pulse of America! And when you do this, remind him that by pulse we don't mean vahgina, and by America we don't mean female Biden staffers! 2
shoshin Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Magox said: It sort of reminds me of all those articles and twitter comments from journalists when refer to Trump's statements when he makes them "Without evidence", "not confirmed" , implying that he's full of *****. And then months or even sometimes years later it turns out that he was correct. Yet there are no retractions of these articles. There is no "right" measure, there should be various metrics that are viewed and mortality rate certainly is an important one. The point now, IMO, is that mortality rate is something we will trail on knowing for a while but have a decent bead on, and especially mortality rate for a bunch of at risk people. Hospitalization is a really good measure through phased reopening. The Trump guideline of % positive test trend going down is OK...it's trying to get at the fact that we have inadequate testing, but I don't love that one.
Magox Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, shoshin said: Which time? I don't know. My guess is and it's only a guess because clearly we aren't privy to that information is that they suspect that the Virus did come from the lab. But that it's not "man-made" so to speak and that somehow it escaped. 3 minutes ago, shoshin said: The point now, IMO, is that mortality rate is something we will trail on knowing for a while but have a decent bead on, and especially mortality rate for a bunch of at risk people. Hospitalization is a really good measure through phased reopening. The Trump guideline of % positive test trend going down is OK...it's trying to get at the fact that we have inadequate testing, but I don't love that one. I think our difference lies on the emphasis of mortality rates. I'm not making the case of one being more important over the other and if I were in the decision making process I would be looking at numerous subsets of data to make that determination. Mortality rates based off of the information that has been gathered would be one of those metrics and for me, it's an important one. In regards to Hospitalization utilization rates, ICU, definitely would be another one since it goes back to the original stated goal of "flattening the curve". Can our hospital systems provide the care our patients need in case of a surge of new hospitalizations?
IDBillzFan Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 30 minutes ago, shoshin said: I see minimal harm in trying HCQ, but I ain't listenin to that quack. You have a curious rhetoric about you. But you would be foolish to disregard the tweet Buffalo Gal posted if, in fact, there is a NE nursing home where all 30 cases were treated with HCQ and the patients were saved. Why isn't it being reported? I don't give credence to anything that comes out of the piehole that is Bill Nye The Actor Guy, but if he's standing in front of a burning building and he's telling me the building behind him is burning...y'know...maybe he's right at a time when it actually matters.
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