Hardhatharry Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: You are not very good at this. Why don't you just do what you usually do and spend your time putting frown emojis on every post you don't understand? Didn't take long for you to lose an argument and turn into an idiot. Every single one of you in PPP are the same, run out of stuff and stop talking about it and try to turn it into an attack match lol Edited April 1, 2020 by Hardhatharry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Just now, Hardhatharry said: Didn't take long for you to lose an argument and turn into an idiot. Nobody has ever lost an argument to you. Ever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: They may very well have the most fatalities. That is not the measure of the success in their response - cases per capita and the death rate are. If, at the end of this, the US has one of the lowest death rates of any country, would that be a measure of success to you? No. I'd be more interested in deaths per 100,000 people. Unless everyone gets tested I've accepted the mortality rate is flawed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardhatharry Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Just now, billsfan1959 said: Nobody has ever lost an argument to you. Ever. You just did by having no response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 8 minutes ago, Hardhatharry said: January 25th to be exact. Don't forget extremists are dumb so try not to get too involved in this section of Bills forums. 12 minutes ago, Gary Busey said: Isn't the New Year at the end of January? The celebrations last at least a week and well into February, when all local officials were telling people not to be concerned. You also don't hear too many replays of an interview that Dr Fauci did in late January where he said that the virus poses very little threat to the American public. Oops. And here's the rub about the latest criticism of elected officials - the CCP thanks you for their support. The official response was predicated on the best information that was provided upstream from people monitoring the infections. In order to respond to the worst case scenario, the health officials needed to sound the alarm as early as possible. Yet, through at least February they did not take it as seriously as it turned out because they were using SARS and H1N1 models of the spread, which clearly weren't as infectious as this strain. And why did this happen? Because a certain country and feeble officials at the "pre-eminent" global health organization downplayed the threat early on. So you can keep banging the drum about the inappropriate response from the federal government, but completely ignore the fact that they were basing their response on flawed/deceptive information that was circulated among the health officials. Do you think that Fauci would have been as sanguine if WHO was blaring code red in January, like it should have been? Look at the real cause of this disaster and the response, instead of finding a convenient scapegoat 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, GG said: The celebrations last at least a week and well into February, when all local officials were telling people not to be concerned. You also don't hear too many replays of an interview that Dr Fauci did in late January where he said that the virus poses very little threat to the American public. Oops. And here's the rub about the latest criticism of elected officials - the CCP thanks you for their support. The official response was predicated on the best information that was provided upstream from people monitoring the infections. In order to respond to the worst case scenario, the health officials needed to sound the alarm as early as possible. Yet, through at least February they did not take it as seriously as it turned out because they were using SARS and H1N1 models of the spread, which clearly weren't as infectious as this strain. And why did this happen? Because a certain country and feeble officials at the "pre-eminent" global health organization downplayed the threat early on. So you can keep banging the drum about the inappropriate response from the federal government, but completely ignore the fact that they were basing their response on flawed/deceptive information that was circulated among the health officials. Do you think that Fauci would have been as sanguine if WHO was blaring code red in January, like it should have been? Look at the real cause of this disaster and the response, instead of finding a convenient scapegoat Fauci was sounding the alarm in various TV interviews at the end of January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, jrober38 said: No. I'd be more interested in deaths per 100,000 people. Unless everyone gets tested I've accepted the mortality rate is flawed. You do understand you can calculate the death rate per 100,000 people without testing everyone, right? We will know who died from the virus. Testing every single live person in this country doesn't affect the death rate per capita. That's really not how it works.... So, if we have the lowest death rate per capita, is that a success for you? Edited April 1, 2020 by billsfan1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Fauci was sounding the alarm in various TV interviews at the end of January. February 2, 2020 - Does this sound a code red? “It’s very, very transmissible, and it almost certainly is going to be a pandemic,” said Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease. “But will it be catastrophic? I don’t know.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Damn. this thread got overran with TDS infected profiles doing nothing but pushing MSM fear. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 25 minutes ago, jrober38 said: What else did he do? Did he order the production of ventilators or PPE? Did he order the mass production of testing equipment? You tell us. How should testing have been handled differently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 11 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: You do understand you can calculate the death rate per 100,000 people without testing everyone, right? We will know who died from the virus. Testing every single live person in this country doesn't affect the death rate per capita. That's really not how it works.... So, if we have the lowest death rate per capita, is that a success for you? Sure. 2 minutes ago, Rob's House said: You tell us. How should testing have been handled differently? So he didn't do anything. Thanks for clarifying that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Just now, Rob's House said: You tell us. How should testing have been handled differently? Testing is their go to issue now. Yet nobody has yet explained how Trump was supposed to have made a enough test kits (that we didn't yet possess, for a virus we hadn't encountered before, that was not immediately available in any volume from anywhere) available early to test any significant amount of a population of 330 million people. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 38 minutes ago, jrober38 said: What else did he do? Did he order the production of ventilators or PPE? Did he order the mass production of testing equipment? The ventilators and other PPE were previously all coming from China. Items were ordered and China had the ships turned around when the virus overcame them. We have since geared up production of those items here. It's a good lesson for us---don't rely on other countries for our necessities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) Just now, 3rdnlng said: The ventilators and other PPE were previously all coming from China. Items were ordered and China had the ships turned around when the virus overcame them. We have since geared up production of those items here. It's a good lesson for us---don't rely on other countries for our necessities. It also didn't help when Trump decided to ship 18 tons of PPE to China in early February. I think it's safe to say that was a mistake. Edited April 1, 2020 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123719bwiqrb Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 18 minutes ago, Chris farley said: Damn. this thread got overran with TDS infected profiles doing nothing but pushing MSM fear. Yes, please restart the economy soon, otherwise these unstable people may not make it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 I'm sure this was posted back when he said it, but a lot of people thought there was a lack of leadership... https://www.mediaite.com/news/cnbcs-jim-cramer-hits-trump-for-leisure-time-amid-dow-bloodbath-we-all-want-more-leadership-we-dont-want-golfing/ March 9th: “I think we all want more leadership,” Cramer said. “I think that we all want more test kits, if we’re going to just talk about health care. We all want the treasury secretary to come out and say ‘small businesses, we’ve got no-interest loans.’ We want to be able to take advantage of the curve … and be able to be ready. We don’t want golfing.” A CNBC colleague pointed out that the administration appears to be opting against that stance, with Trump advisor Larry Kudlow saying that the impact from the virus has been “contained.” “That may be an ill-advised position,” Cramer said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, TPS said: I'm sure this was posted back when he said it, but a lot of people thought there was a lack of leadership... https://www.mediaite.com/news/cnbcs-jim-cramer-hits-trump-for-leisure-time-amid-dow-bloodbath-we-all-want-more-leadership-we-dont-want-golfing/ March 9th: “I think we all want more leadership,” Cramer said. “I think that we all want more test kits, if we’re going to just talk about health care. We all want the treasury secretary to come out and say ‘small businesses, we’ve got no-interest loans.’ We want to be able to take advantage of the curve … and be able to be ready. We don’t want golfing.” A CNBC colleague pointed out that the administration appears to be opting against that stance, with Trump advisor Larry Kudlow saying that the impact from the virus has been “contained.” “That may be an ill-advised position,” Cramer said. Jim Cramer. Really. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 34 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: You do understand you can calculate the death rate per 100,000 people without testing everyone, right? We will know who died from the virus. Testing every single live person in this country doesn't affect the death rate per capita. That's really not how it works.... So, if we have the lowest death rate per capita, is that a success for you? but, my friends on facebook say that we should have tested every man woman and child WEEEKS ago, *****! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 hour ago, GG said: Then why harp on testing, when the priority should be on slowing the spread? If you've read anything on how testing is used, it's to identify, so you can isolate, then contain by finding everyone else that person contacted. It's exactly what SKorea did. https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-51897979/coronavirus-south-korea-seeing-a-stabilising-trend It's 2 minutes long. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 minute ago, TPS said: If you've read anything on how testing is used, it's to identify, so you can isolate, then contain by finding everyone else that person contacted. It's exactly what SKorea did. https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-51897979/coronavirus-south-korea-seeing-a-stabilising-trend It's 2 minutes long. Trump can't do any harm. It's not his fault they didn't have enough tests or do anything to build more ventilators and PPE. He locked down the border with China as if that would be enough to stop the spread. That's enough for his supporters to think he did all he could to help. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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