The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[SectionC3]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Talk about fake news. Go back and have a look what the beloved WHO said about human-to-human transmission of COVID through January and most of February.

Assuming of course that you can read.

 

 

Hoax.  The WHO spoke accurately with respect to the issue a few days after January 20.  Trump ignored that, as well as domestic warnings about the danger of the virus.  

 

Still waiting for your response to the point about Trump's fake promises and lack of accomplishments.  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, shoshin said:

 

I wasn't attacking you. I'm saying Trump called for the shutdown, as did most governors. 

 

If you don't like it or don't think it's worth it, remember that in November.  

As was every member of senior Democrat party leadership, including gropey Joe.

 

So, I think I'll vote for the guy who had the economy humming before China gave it to us dry.

 

[SectionC3]

1 minute ago, shoshin said:

 

I wasn't attacking you. I'm saying Trump called for the shutdown, as did most governors. 

 

If you don't like it or don't think it's worth it, remember that in November.  

 

Facts, 1.  Joe in Winslow, 0. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, SectionC3 said:

 

Facts, 1.  Joe in Winslow, 0. 

***** off, you shambling mound of *****.

 

 

 

Edited May 8, 2020 by Joe in Winslow

[SectionC3]

1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said:

As was every member of senior Democrat party leadership, including gropey Joe.

 

So, I think I'll vote for the guy who had the economy humming before China gave it to us dry.

 

 

You like fake winning, campaign hoaxes, and ineptitude, so your November preference is no surprise. 

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

***** off, you shambling mound of *****.

 

 

 

 

I bet there is a debate book somewhere with exactly that response.  Well done!

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, SectionC3 said:

 

You like fake winning, campaign hoaxes, and ineptitude, so your November preference is no surprise. 

 

I bet there is a debate book somewhere with exactly that response.  Well done!

 

You can't debate with a windowlicker.

 

And you, sir, may have the cleanest windows in America.

 

[Reality Check]

14 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

"However, most of the data appears anecdotal and not obtained through official studies. In some cases, the name of the doctor is listed but no other information is included."

 

This certainly casts some doubt about the conclusions.

It doesn't make sense to you because they are measuring real world results in a real life situation. Please promise me that no matter what happens, that you never ever ever ever take hydroxy-chloroquine sulphate under any circumstance. That would mean a victory for Trump who is pushing a drug that is simple and cheap to make. Make sure you take a double dose of that rubbish Gilead is pushing at thousands of dollars per prescription. No problem paying for it because that is where billions in new debt will likely end up. Did it ever occur to you at all that you only exist as a legal vessel for bankers to wash their debt through, with corporations as their pass through mechanisms? The debt washes through us once or twice if we are lucky, and they collect it in the end. You are left with the debt, they get to juggle it on digital Wall Street making billions on digital slot machines while you are left hiding in your home, wondering what the hell happened. Good luck my friend.

[SectionC3]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

You can't debate with a windowlicker.

 

And you, sir, may have the cleanest windows in America.

 

 

Fake news.  I don't lick windows.  

 

And, for what it's worth, you tried to debate, lost, and resorted to name-calling.  Not classy. 

 

Let's keep our eyes on the prize.  None of those points changes the facts that you like fake winners, that you're cool with Trump's campaign hoaxes, and that the scoreboard still reads, "Facts, 1.  Joe in Winslow, 0."  Be better!

[Reality Check]

12 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

Or, you know, the incoherent federal response ("Hoax!" "Tests for everyone who needs one, or not really!" "Actually, it's our PPE, not yours!" "Hang out at the airport for hours crowded together when coming back from Asia and Europe, it's cool!" "I don't need a mask!" "No need for DPA for PPE!" "Miracle cure!" "Warm weather will make it disappear!" "Fifteen cases, soon to be zero!") that put us in a position where the response had to be do drastic in so many areas.  Either one. 

 

Looks like none of the Trumpers can take this on.  The truth hurts.  Sorry guys. 

 

***

 

And I didn't even include his pre-pandemic hoax about the GDP.  Where's the "4, 5, 6% growth" that was supposed to flow from the tax cuts?  More fake winning. 

Your loyalty to our foreign occupiers is admirable, I will give you that, especially in the face of their final collapse. You wouldn't happen to be a Jesuit agent would you? Not that there is anything wrong with that.

[B-Man]

 

 

A quick mention of Covid 19, if that's okay.

 

Some Good News: The Rate Of New Positive Cases Is Declining

 

https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/2020/05/07/good-news-rate-new-positive-cases-declining/

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

Member of Pence staff has the virus and these clowns still walk around with masks on. There going to get so many people killed. Trump is literally ruining the whole country.. it’s like the USA is a Trump casino 

[B-Man]

NEWS  CORONAVIRUS

 

1 in 4 Americans says they would refuse COVID-19 vaccine, poll says

 

Americans, by a large 30-point margin, are resistant to re-opening the country now, believing the risk to human life of opening the country outweighs the economic toll of remaining under restrictive lockdowns -- a concern that starkly divides along partisan lines, according to a new ABC News/Ipsos released Friday.

 

(Excerpt) Read more at abcactionnews.com ...

 

 

 

[Reality Check]

5 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Member of Pence staff has the virus and these clowns still walk around with masks on. There going to get so many people killed. Trump is literally ruining the whole country.. it’s like the USA is a Trump casino 

...and then?

2 minutes ago, B-Man said:

NEWS  CORONAVIRUS

 

1 in 4 Americans says they would refuse COVID-19 vaccine, poll says

 

Americans, by a large 30-point margin, are resistant to re-opening the country now, believing the risk to human life of opening the country outweighs the economic toll of remaining under restrictive lockdowns -- a concern that starkly divides along partisan lines, according to a new ABC News/Ipsos released Friday.

 

(Excerpt) Read more at abcactionnews.com ...

 

 

 

Zero chance I take that junk straight to the blood stream. For some other people, I think it's a great idea!

[Chef Jim]

10 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Member of Pence staff has the virus and these clowns still walk around with masks on. There going to get so many people killed. Trump is literally ruining the whole country.. it’s like the USA is a Trump casino 

You’ve solved the whole haircut challenge. 
 

 

[Taro T]

47 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Want to make a bet on that number? If Trump gets more than 38% of the vote, you have to use an avatar of my choosing for a full year. If Trump gets less than 38% of the vote, I will use one you choose. 

 

Or, are you again just talking *****?

 

You might want to add another condition to that bet, namely, that should he lose he has to use that new avatar for ALL his personas.  Otherwise, this one simply goes away and before you know it Patrick Henry (or other Revolutionary War figure) shows up in his stead.

[Koko78]

17 minutes ago, B-Man said:

NEWS  CORONAVIRUS

 

1 in 4 Americans says they would refuse COVID-19 vaccine, poll says

 

Americans, by a large 30-point margin, are resistant to re-opening the country now, believing the risk to human life of opening the country outweighs the economic toll of remaining under restrictive lockdowns -- a concern that starkly divides along partisan lines, according to a new ABC News/Ipsos released Friday.

 

(Excerpt) Read more at abcactionnews.com ...

 

 

 

 

Wait, so liberals want free money to not go to work?!?

 

[B-Man]

 

What Are We Trying to Accomplish With Coronavirus Policy?

 

 

As Americans debate how to reopen our society in the wake of COVID-19, we seem to be breaking down into three groups: first, those who believe the virus isn’t particularly serious and desperately want to reopen everything as soon as possible (a small minority of Americans, by polling data); second, those who believe the virus is extraordinarily serious and want everything to remain closed as long as possible (a significant minority of Americans); and third, those who believe the virus is extraordinarily serious, that the economic damage brought about by COVID-19 is extraordinarily serious, and that we will have to reopen in considered fashion (the vast majority of Americans).

 

While politicians on either side of the debate hope to position their opponents as advocates of either group 1 or group 2, the reality is that the honest debate is happening within group 3.

 

So, what does a considered coronavirus reopening strategy look like?

 

That question rests on a deeper question: What assumptions are we making?

 

 

Obviously, we all want to reduce deaths to the lowest possible number. But what assumptions are baked into our policy recommendations?

 

Are we assuming a vaccine will come along in three, six, 12, or 18 months? Are we assuming herd immunity conferred at 60% of the population, or 80%? Are we assuming therapeutic measures that would reduce the infection fatality rates by 20, 30 or 100%, and within what period of time?

 

We also want to reduce economic harm to the lowest possible level. Again, we must ask what assumptions are baked into our policy recommendations.

Are we assuming that a 75% reduction in restaurant seating will save 50% of restaurants? Are we assuming that shoppers will continue to socially distance six months from now? Are we assuming that the government will be able to shoulder trillions more in debt despite an underlying decrease in international appetite for such debt?

 

The question of assumptions is key to our policymaking. That’s because if we assume the worst—no therapeutics that seriously knock down the infection fatality rate, no vaccines for 18 months or more, and an economy that simply cannot function at one-quarter or even half of normal capacity–then we are forced to a simple conclusion: In the absence of any significant change to the status quo, we must pursue a strategy of so-called controlled avalanche.

 

That strategy has been coined by Israeli scientists, who suggest that the best strategy for reducing deaths while achieving herd immunity would be to tranche populations and then expose the least-vulnerable populations to COVID-19 in order to let them develop antibodies–in essence, performing with public health the same function ski resorts perform when they create small avalanches in order to avoid a major avalanche.

 

The simple fact is that 40% to 50%, at low estimate, of all deaths in the European Union from COVID-19 have occurred at nursing homes; the same is true in California. Had the authorities properly protected nursing homes, the infection fatality rate across the industrialized world could be half of the current rate.

It is also true that the infection fatality rate for COVID-19 ranges widely by age: As of late April, of the 37,308 deaths recorded by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, just 1,036 were people under the age of 45, and just 51 were below the age of 25.

 

Even among younger populations, the vast majority of deaths were people with underlying conditions. Israeli scientists suggest that protecting the elderly and the vulnerable and then allowing herd immunity to develop among the least vulnerable would radically reduce overall mortality (by over 40%), reduce the maximum number of people in need for ICUs (by over 60%), and decrease the time required to allow freedom to low-risk populations by months.

 

This is obviously not a foolproof strategy–there is no foolproof strategy. But it may be a better strategy than simply hoping for the best while watching the world economy implode, even as we know that our deepest hopes for a deus ex machina may go unrewarded.

[billsfan1959]

1 hour ago, Kemp said:

Curious who you voted for and whom you will be voting for. You are not obligated to say, but you brought it up, which made me curious. 

 

I didn't vote in 2016 - and I had voted in every presidential election since 1980. I couldn't bring myself to vote for Clinton or Trump.

 

However, I will be voting for Trump in November.

 

Edited May 8, 2020 by billsfan1959

[fansince88]

44 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Member of Pence staff has the virus and these clowns still walk around with masks on. There going to get so many people killed. Trump is literally ruining the whole country.. it’s like the USA is a Trump casino 

Bet you dont get paid for this post. Screwed this one up!

[GG]

That's quite the selective list.  Nobody really cares about the Mexican Wall, other than a dog whistle to people like you.  The real action is what's happening to slow the flow of illicit activity through the Southern border.

 

Other than that, nice of you to ignore the reinvigoration of the military and stopping the leading from behind foreign policy, never minding ending support for terrorist regimes.  Also conveniently ignoring taking a firm stance with China and prompting companies to reconsider that country to be the sole source for the supply chain.

 

But yeah, let's hold the economic devastation of the Wuhan Virus against him, when the economy was firing on all cylinders through March.  Funny how USA's life expectancy started to rise again in 2018 after a decade fall.

 

He's done nothing at all.

 

 

1 hour ago, SectionC3 said:

 

What exactly has he accomplished?

 

Wall?  Nope.  

 

Complete Mexican funding for wall?  Not happening. 

 

Repeal and replace?  Nope. 

 

Economic growth?  Nah. 

 

Job growth?  Yeah, no. 

 

Comprehensive trade deal with China?  Nope. 

 

Deficit elimination?  Not looking good. 

 

Balanced budget?  Nope.  

 

Tax cut for everyone?  Fake news. 

 

Health care premium tax deduction?  Maybe next term, if he gets one. 

 

Rebuilding national infrastructure?  See wall.  

 

Fooling about 38% of the electorate with fake winning?  Mission accomplished.