The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[3rdnlng]

3 hours ago, TPS said:

I don't know about my "wild dispersions"... ?

And, I'm not sure what there is to prove by suggesting people could go back and read posts from a month ago to see who was taking it seriously and who wasn't?  All that says is people can read and figure out on their own.  I wonder why you are taking that personally....?

Nice. Very cute of you to cast those dispersions without completely committing to accusing any specific people. If you are going to claim something why don't you provide a quote? Your posting lately has become very similar to Tiberius's posting. While he will outright lie and then refuse to back it up in any way you will insinuate, thinking that no one will require you to prove it. 

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, GG said:

 

Have you seen the probability distribution of that 2-14 day symptomatic period?  If you have, you wouldn't be throwing out that figure to back whatever point you are making.  Hint, it's most certainly not a normal bell curve.  That's why for the vast, vast majority of cases, symptoms appear within 48-72 hours.   If people had known that and were told in early March to stay the ***** home if they were feeling even a hint of a sniffle, then US would be nowhere near the current situation.  Zero testing, 100% common sense advice.

Social distancing is also a great tool, but it's secondary to testing as just about everyone has a need to at least go to the grocery store, many people have to go to the pharmacy and unfortunately some people have to go to work.

[B-Man]

      

 

Dr. Fauci with Mother Teresa.

 

 

No particular reason.....................just thought it was interesting.

 

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[Buffalo Bills Fan]

10 minutes ago, GG said:

 

See the answer above - how often do you test the asymptomatic people?  

 

Testing helps with statistics.  It does little to stop the actual spread.  You don't need to go to a doctor to know you have the flu.  Most people still go to work when they get the flu.  This is the case that when you think you have the flu, stay away from everyone else.   This is actually what SK and Taiwan do very well, and the US doesn't 

 

In a way respectfully disagree. Respect you GG. Going to move on different things' part of this thread. But not discrediting you're info and knowledge. Don't want to arguments with you bring this topic down among many things. When has lots of solid info. Respect you man.

 

But  agree SK Taiwan agree doing a good job.

[Warren Zevon]

1 minute ago, B-Man said:

      

 

Dr. Fauci with Mother Teresa.

 

 

No particular reason.....................just thought it was interesting.

 

?

 

The cult is turning on Fauci

[GG]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

Social distancing is also a great tool, but it's secondary to testing as just about everyone has a need to at least go to the grocery store, many people have to go to the pharmacy and unfortunately some people have to go to work.

 

That is a non-sensical statement.  Are you saying that if you are symptomatic, you should go about your business unless you get tested?

 

Here's what's actually happening.  People in the NY tristate area are far more acutely aware of the symptoms.  People who show symptoms see a doctor, get tested and await the results.  In the interim, they all know to stay sequestered at home.   They did NOT do that up to 3 weeks ago. 

 

Now, tell me which part is the least helpful in slowing the spread of the disease in that scenario?

[B-Man]

4 minutes ago, Gary Busey said:

 

The cult is turning on Fauci

 

 

False......................of course.

 

 

 

 

 

PROGRESS: 

Coronavirus: Japan begins clinical trials of anti-flu drug Avigan.

 

 

 

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[BullBuchanan]

2 minutes ago, GG said:

 

That is a non-sensical statement.  Are you saying that if you are symptomatic, you should go about your business unless you get tested?

 

Here's what's actually happening.  People in the NY tristate area are far more acutely aware of the symptoms.  People who show symptoms see a doctor, get tested and await the results.  In the interim, they all know to stay sequestered at home.   They did NOT do that up to 3 weeks ago. 

 

Now, tell me which part is the least helpful in slowing the spread of the disease in that scenario?

Clearly not. There's no hidden meaning in my statements. You can take them as literal without any fear of subtext.

 

20 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Look, I'm happy to go back to the beginning on this as long as you actually care about the answers.

The virus has an incubation period of 2-14 days before symptoms present. A new study from the Netherlands think that there may be 25% of people that remain completely asymptomatic. If you have an interaction with anyone, you could pass the virus without feeling sick. Say you're a grocery store employee who works curbside and selects people's groceries, bags them and places them into their cart - you could unknowingly pass the virus on the groceries. If you're given a test when you exhibit symptoms,( or best case even if you dont), then local health officials could alert the people you came into contact with that they could be affected. Here in Austin during the early days of this (a few weeks ago) Health officials did exactly this and notified the public where that person was on what days at what times.

It's at least part of the reason why we only have 200 cases as the 11th largest city in the country.

 

Edited April 1, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[B-Man]

 

 

Nice........

 

 

 

 

 “Not an #AprilFoolsDay Joke: after 17 days at @nyulangone, including 6 days on a ventilator, I’m being discharged!”

 

 

 

 

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[billsfan1959]

12 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Well your statement flies in the face of the scientific consensus and the evidence of the countries that have contained the problem better than us. What backs up those claims?

 

I'll give you South Korea, which seems like a real outlier at this point in comparison from the data from every other country.

 

Which other countries, with any significant numbers of cases, have fewer cases per capita and fewer deaths per capita or per confirmed cases?

[3rdnlng]

3 hours ago, TPS said:

Maybe if some of the cult would admit that He might have made an error here or there...anyone? anyone? Bueller?

Maybe if you, a member of the Shark Gang would first admit a consequential error, eh? 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8177201/China-COVERING-extent-coronavirus-numbers-FAKE-spies-tell-White-House.html?ito=push-notification&ci=12068&si=4621469

 

China's reporting on coronavirus is intentionally incomplete, three U.S. officials revealed in a Wednesday report, adding its government is underreporting statistics on both the death toll and number of cases.

The intelligence community handed over a classified report to the White House last week, one of the officials told Bloomberg News, and the report concluded that China's numbers are fake.

The coronavirus outbreak originated from Wuhan in the Hubei province of China at the end of 2019 – but China has only publicly reported 82,361 cases and 3,293 deaths as of Wednesday.

 

This would mean China is less impacted by coronavirus than the U.S., Italy and Spain.

So far, according to a Johns Hopkins University of Medicine world tracker of the virus' impact, there are more than 190,000 confirmed cases of coronavirus in the U.S. and more than 4,000 people have died.

The U.S. has the largest publicly reported outbreak of coronavirus in the world – skyrocketing this week starting over the weekend when deaths doubled from 1,000 to 2,000 in just one day.

'The reality is that we could have been better off if China had been more forthcoming,' Vice President Mike Pence said during an interview with CNN Wednesday afternoon, conceding that the nation has been more honest regarding coronavirus than other diseases over the years.

'I mean the reality is that China's been more transparent with regard to the coronavirus than certainly they were for other infectious diseases over the last 15 years,' Pence, who is heading the White House coronavirus task force, told CNN's Wolf Blitzer. 'But what appears evident now is that long before the world learned in December that China was dealing with this, and maybe as much as a month earlier than that, that the outbreak was real in China.'

 

Ambassador Deborah Birx, the State Department immunologist advising the White House on its response to the outbreak as part of the task force, said that China's public reporting influenced how other countries responded to the outbreak.

 

'The medical community made -- interpreted the Chinese data as: This was serious, but smaller than anyone expected,' she said at the daily coronavirus press briefing Tuesday evening. 'Because I think probably we were missing a significant amount of the data, now that what we see happened to Italy and see what happened to Spain.'

[Warren Zevon]

[3rdnlng]

2 hours ago, Bakin said:

COVID CONUNDRUM 

My best buddy is a sales guy.

He can certainly work from home but his boss is insisting that he come to the office everyday. His boss doesn’t believe in the seriousness of the virus, etc. 

My buddy is not sure what to do. 
I told him to just take a month off unpaid - he can do so as he’s not financially in a dire position - but not sure that’s the right advice. Any thoughts??

Yes, change careers. If he can't sell his boss on the policies that are being pushed by the various governments, then he really isn't much of a salesman. 

[Deranged Rhino]

FALSE HOPE! 

 

(err... oops)

 

 

But keep on believing the media is playing straight with the American people. 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

Just now, billsfan1959 said:

 

Just like a Democratic Governor: Cant stand on his (or her, as the case may be in MI) own two feet and always begging for someone to help....

 

In a crisis like this. Regardless of politics. It's good to help people who need it. Going off topic Like in life, helping the older people or those need help in general. I don't bring in the politics card.  Just it is good to help people when people need it man.

[billsfan1959]

Just now, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

 

In a crisis like this. Regardless of politics. It's good to help people who need it. Going off topic Like in life, helping the older people or those need help in general. I don't bring in the politics card.  Just it is good to help people when people need it man.

 

Of course it is and, in spite of the extremes of political views, I am sure everyone is hoping for the best and willing to help where they can.

 

Well, maybe not Q-baby...

[Taraka]

2 hours ago, njbuff said:

This thread has become a virus in itself.

 

And it was the lefties and/or Trump haters who came in here and infected it.

 

I get that you folks hate Trump and want to blame him on everything to no end, but, I have a simple question to the people who are blaming Trump over this..............

 

What are you doing to help your fellow citizens over this while saying Trump is doing nothing?

LMAO what a self sanctimonious bullcrap post this is. You and the rest of the "respected posters" would prefer an echo chamber of self serving Trump justifying drivel.  Normally that is the case (with a very few exceptions) in the PPP. For all you members of "respected posters squad"   LMAO It is so convenient now to deny yours and Don the Cons previous  "enlightened" views that have turned out to be WRONG.  What am I doing to help citizens? Staying home, working from home and reading the predominately Trump circle jerk that is the PPP when I need a good laugh.  The next time one of you trumpeteers admits he or you were wrong about ANYTHING would be an absolute first. 

Edited April 1, 2020 by ~Kostabi~

[BullBuchanan]

21 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

I'll give you South Korea, which seems like a real outlier at this point in comparison from the data from every other country.

 

Which other countries, with any significant numbers of cases, have fewer cases per capita and fewer deaths per capita or per confirmed cases?

The UAE is doing well so far. Right now 0.06% of our population is infected compared to 0.006% of theirs They are also one of the world leaders in testing. The bad thing is that the spread in Europe has been slowing while ours has been increasing. We're about to fall way behind countries we have a slight edge on today.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104645/covid19-testing-rate-select-countries-worldwide/

[Q-baby!]

55 minutes ago, Donald Trump said:

 

 

Fake News!!!!

Every time you say that it’s because you are lying. Have you hit 50 thousand lies yet this year?  

[3rdnlng]

2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Federalism is hard to understand, I know. 

 

Local>>>State>>>Federal -- that's the order of actual importance to people's day to day lives. Not the inverse.

I don't understand why Trump doesn't clean up the filth of the homeless problem in San Francisco and Los Angeles. On top of that he hasn't done one thing to settle the garbageman strike in Camden. 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/chinas-devastating-lies/

[billsfan1959]

3 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

The UAE is doing well so far. Right now 0.06% of our population is infected compared to 0.006% of theirs They are also one of the world leaders in testing. The bad thing is that the spread in Europe has been slowing while ours has been increasing. We're about to fall way behind countries we have a slight edge on today.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104645/covid19-testing-rate-select-countries-worldwide/

 

Posting a chart that shows total numbers for different countries, regardless of population size? Again, show me some data in regard to cases and deaths per capita.

 

And, seriously, comparing the United States, with a population of 333 million and over 200,000 cases, to the UAE with a population of 9 million and 814 total cases?

 

This is why you can't be taken seriously.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

*************

 

 

14 minutes ago, ~Kostabi~ said:

LMAO what a self sanctimonious bullcrap post this is. You and the rest of the "respected posters" would prefer an echo chamber of self serving Trump justifying drivel.  Normally that is the case (with a very few exceptions) in the PPP. For all you members of "respected posters squad"   LMAO It is so convenient now to deny yours and Don the Cons previous  "enlightened" views that have turned out to be WRONG.  What am I doing to help citizens? Staying home, working from home and reading the predominately Trump circle jerk that is the PPP when I need a good laugh.  The next time one of you trumpeteers admits he or you were wrong about ANYTHING would be an absolute first. 

 

I thought you ran away last week?  

[GG]

12 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

The UAE is doing well so far. Right now 0.06% of our population is infected compared to 0.006% of theirs They are also one of the world leaders in testing. The bad thing is that the spread in Europe has been slowing while ours has been increasing. We're about to fall way behind countries we have a slight edge on today.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104645/covid19-testing-rate-select-countries-worldwide/

 

How about using a logarithmic scale, which is the proper way to represent these numbers?

[shoshin]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

You may want to wonder what is going on behind the scenes if this squirrel was put out to make the lefties and "msm" run around screaming about these tweets. ?

 

 

We don't need squirrels, we need leadership that joins us together.

 

 

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

People can be awesome. Even in Cali. 

Just now, shoshin said:

We don't need squirrels, we need leadership that joins us together.

 

If you think Trump has been alone in dividing the country, then you haven't been paying close enough attention to what the establishment media and political powers that be have done in the past three years. 

 

Just saying...  

[shoshin]

54 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Have you seen the probability distribution of that 2-14 day symptomatic period?  If you have, you wouldn't be throwing out that figure to back whatever point you are making.  Hint, it's most certainly not a normal bell curve.  That's why for the vast, vast majority of cases, symptoms appear within 48-72 hours.   If people had known that and were told in early March to stay the ***** home if they were feeling even a hint of a sniffle, then US would be nowhere near the current situation.  Zero testing, 100% common sense advice.

 

Testing is a huge part of making sure we identify positive cases and not the flu or other problems. COVID-19 does not have a consistent symptom presentation so "just staying home" is not the full answer. It's the answer right now because we lack adequate testing. It is not the answer for getting America back to work.

 

And once we are testing, we must be tracking down chains of contacts. That is a critical piece of this.  

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, Gary Busey said:

 

I posted earlier in this thread in response to you an article that was 2 1/2 weeks old that showed more drive-thru test locations than that. 

[shoshin]

6 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

If you think Trump has been alone in dividing the country, then you haven't been paying close enough attention to what the establishment media and political powers that be have done in the past three years. 

 

Just saying...  

 

I didn't say that. 

 

Trump is the president though. Bragging about TV ratings during a pandemic is awful, even for him. 

 

Imagine George Bush bragging about big TV ratings for his Oval Office speech on 9-11. I bet FDR was killing it in radio ratings on December 8 but I don't remember him bragging about it.

Edited April 1, 2020 by shoshin

[BullBuchanan]

12 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Posting a chart that shows total numbers for different countries, regardless of population size? Again, show me some data in regard to cases and deaths per capita.

 

And, seriously, comparing the United States, with a population of 333 million and over 200,000 cases, to the UAE with a population of 9 million and 814 total cases?

 

This is why you can't be taken seriously.

Oh ok, so now the data doesn't work because percentages aren't apples to apple because our country is bigger.

I can't find the data charted per capita and I dont have time to make it myself. i did the math manually per capita for several of them.

 

You people constantly move the goal posts on every discussion. News Flash: there is no country just like ours. There are a lot of reasons for the UAE's numbers to be higher than ours including the fact that they are so small. We have a lot of advantages in this crisis and are falling or already behind countries without them. You're getting less fact-based and more defensive with each response.

The data is all there. I can supply it and explain it, but I can't understand it for you.

Edited April 1, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, shoshin said:

 

I didn't say that. 

 

Trump is the president though. Bragging about TV ratings during a pandemic is awful. 

 

Imagine George Bush bragging about big TV ratings for his Oval Office speech on 9-11. I bet FDR was killing it in radio ratings on December 8 but I don't remember him bragging about it.

 

What you consider bragging, isn't bragging. It was pointing out why the move has been pushed to stop airing the press conferences. Those who still don't understand how Trump communicates after three years of being able to learn, have only themselves to blame. 

[GG]

4 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

Testing is a huge part of making sure we identify positive cases and not the flu or other problems. COVID-19 does not have a consistent symptom presentation so "just staying home" is not the full answer. It's the answer right now because we lack adequate testing. It is not the answer for getting America back to work.

 

And once we are testing, we must be tracking down chains of contacts. That is a critical piece of this.  

 

Testing is absolutely necessary for the healthcare industry to plan their response.  It's not as important to stem the spread.  That onus is on the individuals.

[/dev/null]

5 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

I bet FDR was killing it in radio ratings on December 8 but I don't remember him bragging about it.

 

No offense, but if you remember December 8th, 1941, you're pretty freakin old

[shoshin]

Just now, GG said:

 

Testing is absolutely necessary for the healthcare industry to plan their response.  It's not as important to stem the spread.  That onus is on the individuals.

 

You're wrong and you've been told why. 

 

Sick individuals should 100% stay home now that we are where we are in this timeline. The "test a lot" to stem the spread opportunity is long behind us here on April 1.

 

If we have a lot of tests available for anyone who wants them coming out of this in June, that is critical to prevent more outbreaks. 

 

Testing is important to stem the spread, and not one person on Pence's panel, including Pence himself, is saying otherwise. 

 

And tracing contacts for positive tests is even more important. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just dropping by for your daily reminder that China is a filthy place, and is behind all this crap.

 

[Dante]

Nothing more than this years flu season with a psy op attached. 

This site has real reporting by actual citizens. Not the hyperbolic domestic terrorism that the MSM is shitting out. 

https://www.filmyourhospital.com/

[GG]

52 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Look, I'm happy to go back to the beginning on this as long as you actually care about the answers.

The virus has an incubation period of 2-14 days before symptoms present. A new study from the Netherlands think that there may be 25% of people that remain completely asymptomatic. If you have an interaction with anyone, you could pass the virus without feeling sick. Say you're a grocery store employee who works curbside and selects people's groceries, bags them and places them into their cart - you could unknowingly pass the virus on the groceries. If you're given a test when you exhibit symptoms,( or best case even if you dont), then local health officials could alert the people you came into contact with that they could be affected. Here in Austin during the early days of this (a few weeks ago) Health officials did exactly this and notified the public where that person was on what days at what times.

It's at least part of the reason why we only have 200 cases as the 11th largest city in the country.

 

And you don't think there's a slightest bit of privacy concerns?  Who tracks you whereabouts?  How do they know who you were in contact with?  How do they contact all the people you've been in contact with?

[dubs]

44 minutes ago, ~Kostabi~ said:

LMAO what a self sanctimonious bullcrap post this is. You and the rest of the "respected posters" would prefer an echo chamber of self serving Trump justifying drivel.  Normally that is the case (with a very few exceptions) in the PPP. For all you members of "respected posters squad"   LMAO It is so convenient now to deny yours and Don the Cons previous  "enlightened" views that have turned out to be WRONG.  What am I doing to help citizens? Staying home, working from home and reading the predominately Trump circle jerk that is the PPP when I need a good laugh.  The next time one of you trumpeteers admits he or you were wrong about ANYTHING would be an absolute first. 

LMAO

PPP

LMAO

WRONG

PPP

ANYTHING

 

Got it, thanks!