3rdnlng Posted March 19, 2020 Posted March 19, 2020 38 minutes ago, section122 said: As the regulars know I am in support of medicare for all. Just like I am in support of this financial help for the economy. In times of crisis the government must step in and help people. The reason I support M4A is because the american health system is in crisis imo. So many people out of work soon will be without health insurance as it is tied to employment. That is going to be one of the many problems resulting from the fallout of this pandemic. On a different note, this is showing people's true colors like nothing I have seen before. Some NBA players are stepping up to pay arena workers wage while their billionaire owners do nothing to help. Some billion dollar companies are asking workers to share pto with co-workers while others like McDonald's and Starbucks are paying employees 2 weeks pay if they are quarantined. I have been paying attention and will be speaking with my dollars to the companies that value their employees as human beings instead of cogs in a machine when this is all over. I am still working (healthcare industry) and have had conversations with my wife about what to do with a stimulus check. I want to donate it and am looking for appropriate ways to do so. I urge any of you in the same boat to do the same if possible. I hope there is a better cure than this for people's sake. My wife was on antimalarial drugs and they were horrible. The side effects were worse than the problem she was prescribed them for. There has been progress with rheumatoid arthritis drugs showing signs of being effective as well which were much less painful. With everyone working in lock step hopefully this is solved soon! You need to do a little research on this subject before spouting off nonsense. Just off the top of my head Mark Cuban and Terry & Kim Pegula come to mind as people who are making auditorium workers whole.
RochesterRob Posted March 19, 2020 Posted March 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: I hope people take away from this that China will never be 100 percent trustworthy when it comes to outsiders. 4
section122 Posted March 19, 2020 Posted March 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: You need to do a little research on this subject before spouting off nonsense. Just off the top of my head Mark Cuban and Terry & Kim Pegula come to mind as people who are making auditorium workers whole. Read that again. I said some players while their team owners. I didn't say all owners. I didn't say all billionaires. I even went further into companies and how some are doing good and others are handling this poorly. I even went further about how I will use my dollars to support companies that are handling this the right way (imo). I purposely stay away from sweeping generalizations as they are always wrong. Perhaps reread things before spouting off? 10 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: This is the Streisand effect though isn't it? I don't think anyone is watching Central China tv for news and likely never would have seen this clip without him retweeting it. Sometimes not reacting and responding to stupidity is the best action. 1
3rdnlng Posted March 19, 2020 Posted March 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, section122 said: Read that again. I said some players while their team owners. I didn't say all owners. I didn't say all billionaires. I even went further into companies and how some are doing good and others are handling this poorly. I even went further about how I will use my dollars to support companies that are handling this the right way (imo). I purposely stay away from sweeping generalizations as they are always wrong. Perhaps reread things before spouting off? "Some NBA players are stepping up to pay arena workers wage while their billionaire owners do nothing to help." Sounds like a one sided statement to me. First rule of PPP: don't try to put one over on people. Someone will be sure to notice. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted March 19, 2020 Posted March 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, section122 said: This is the Streisand effect though isn't it? I don't think anyone is watching Central China tv for news and likely never would have seen this clip without him retweeting it. Sometimes not reacting and responding to stupidity is the best action. The difference is that major western media outlets take this and run with it in their own copy because they are knee deep in CCP money and have an agenda against this administration. If we had an honest media, yes, no one would see this. But we don't. We have lots (not all) enemies of the people pretending to be "journalists" who won't bite the hand that feeds them. ************************ 1 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted March 19, 2020 Posted March 19, 2020 54 minutes ago, section122 said: As the regulars know I am in support of medicare for all. Just like I am in support of this financial help for the economy. In times of crisis the government must step in and help people. The reason I support M4A is because the american health system is in crisis imo. So many people out of work soon will be without health insurance as it is tied to employment. That is going to be one of the many problems resulting from the fallout of this pandemic. On a different note, this is showing people's true colors like nothing I have seen before. Some NBA players are stepping up to pay arena workers wage while their billionaire owners do nothing to help. Some billion dollar companies are asking workers to share pto with co-workers while others like McDonald's and Starbucks are paying employees 2 weeks pay if they are quarantined. I have been paying attention and will be speaking with my dollars to the companies that value their employees as human beings instead of cogs in a machine when this is all over. I am still working (healthcare industry) and have had conversations with my wife about what to do with a stimulus check. I want to donate it and am looking for appropriate ways to do so. I urge any of you in the same boat to do the same if possible. I hope there is a better cure than this for people's sake. My wife was on antimalarial drugs and they were horrible. The side effects were worse than the problem she was prescribed them for. There has been progress with rheumatoid arthritis drugs showing signs of being effective as well which were much less painful. With everyone working in lock step hopefully this is solved soon! Hey Sect--I appreciate your posts but at times I can't wrap my head around your view of the world. This thing about medicare for all...remove the commercial element from this (and virtually every other element of the medical system), entrust it all to the government and we end up with a clusterf*ck of major proportions. And the boogeymen...what's with all the boogeymen everywhere? The players referenced are generally multi-millionaires, and while I applaud what they do, the reality is that before a player ever dipped his hand into his pocket...the owner paid the people impacted to begin wth. In addition, as so often happens, when a wealthy person gives regularly, it's not huge news and it's not generally accompanied by a tweet. Like many individuals, some companies won't have the cash flow to sustain employees regardless of what you think might be the right thing to do. Honestly, even Cuomo's directive to require 75% work from home causes a small business like mine major hardship. It's just not as simple as "Send them home, and pay them". For what it's worth, I have paid my employees when out disability for extended an extended time (full pay, no deductions) for illness and injury, allowed folks personal time when going through difficult times at home--but it's typically done quietly and behind the scenes. I just don't understand demonizing people, and likely, hurting the employees of the companies you choose to blacklist when you can't be 100% sure they weren't doing something noble, decent, but not celebrated on twitter.
reddogblitz Posted March 19, 2020 Posted March 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: "Daily numbers" for what exactly?
Deranged Rhino Posted March 19, 2020 Posted March 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: "Daily numbers" for what exactly? New cases by day.
Foxx Posted March 19, 2020 Posted March 19, 2020 (edited) with roughly half the reported cases, Italy has just surpassed China in fatalities. Edited March 19, 2020 by Foxx
3rdnlng Posted March 19, 2020 Posted March 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: New cases by day. Damn, I thought he had a list of the "Daily Numbers". There goes retirement. 1
GG Posted March 19, 2020 Posted March 19, 2020 15 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Is Levitt's thesis being proven in our own eyes?
Koko78 Posted March 19, 2020 Posted March 19, 2020 32 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: "Some NBA players are stepping up to pay arena workers wage while their billionaire owners do nothing to help." Sounds like a one sided statement to me. First rule of PPP: don't try to put one over on people. Someone will be sure to notice. The first rule of PPP is actually, "You're an idiot." Though what you said is the second rule. 1
Wacka Posted March 19, 2020 Posted March 19, 2020 When I was working in the lab, all scientific papers from china were regarded as junk. No one could reproduce their results. 1
TH3 Posted March 19, 2020 Posted March 19, 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Foxx said: with roughly half the reported cases, Italy has just surpassed China in fatalities. Gawd...stop quoting any china stats....I thought you regulars were pretty much on the thought process they cooked up this virus to overthrow DT or they knew about in November and would not tell anyone or it was part of the Wuhan secret reseach center... or they deceived this and that ........aaaaannnnnddddd now we can believe them Edited March 19, 2020 by TH3
3rdnlng Posted March 19, 2020 Posted March 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, Wacka said: When I was working in the lab, all scientific papers from china were regarded as junk. No one could reproduce their results. China has its own way of reproducing.
3rdnlng Posted March 19, 2020 Posted March 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, TH3 said: Gawd...stop quoting any china stats....I thought you regulars were pretty much on the thought process they cooked up this virus to overthrow DT or they knew about in November and would not tell anyone or it was part of the Wuhan secret reseach center... or they deceived this and that ........aaaaannnnnddddd now we can believe them 1
section122 Posted March 19, 2020 Posted March 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Hey Sect--I appreciate your posts but at times I can't wrap my head around your view of the world. This thing about medicare for all...remove the commercial element from this (and virtually every other element of the medical system), entrust it all to the government and we end up with a clusterf*ck of major proportions. And the boogeymen...what's with all the boogeymen everywhere? The players referenced are generally multi-millionaires, and while I applaud what they do, the reality is that before a player ever dipped his hand into his pocket...the owner paid the people impacted to begin wth. In addition, as so often happens, when a wealthy person gives regularly, it's not huge news and it's not generally accompanied by a tweet. Like many individuals, some companies won't have the cash flow to sustain employees regardless of what you think might be the right thing to do. Honestly, even Cuomo's directive to require 75% work from home causes a small business like mine major hardship. It's just not as simple as "Send them home, and pay them". For what it's worth, I have paid my employees when out disability for extended an extended time (full pay, no deductions) for illness and injury, allowed folks personal time when going through difficult times at home--but it's typically done quietly and behind the scenes. I just don't understand demonizing people, and likely, hurting the employees of the companies you choose to blacklist when you can't be 100% sure they weren't doing something noble, decent, but not celebrated on twitter. I'm breaking it up into 2 parts to respond to 1. We already have a cluster***** of major proportions on our hands when it comes to healthcare imo. A lot of people are going to lose their jobs which means they will be losing their health insurance. Under M4A that wouldn't be a concern. The system works in many other countries and studies have shown it will work here too. https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/healthcare/484301-22-studies-agree-medicare-for-all-saves-money It is something that will benefit all Americans. The current system causes a lot of hardships for my family personally in many different ways. My family that lives out of the country comes each year to visit for a month in the summer. If anything were to happen to them while here they are screwed. Even though they are still an American citizen and still pay taxes, if she were to fall ill or get injured she is screwed. My wife is a type 1 diabetic and gets price gouged each month for insulin. I know my opinion is not the majority and I am okay with that. I will do what I can do and that is participate in the democratic process and hope a candidate that supports M4A gets elected. I won't pretend I am absolutely right and this is definitely the answer. However in my mind the current system is broken and we need an alternative. Seeing the success other countries are having leads me to believe America can enact it and have success as well. 2. No boogeymen just people whom I disagree with. Doesn't make me right or them wrong. I have said regularly through this that this is going to be revealing of people's true character and I still believe that. I don't expect small businesses to meet or match the same things billion dollar companies do. The capabilities simply aren't the same. The economic impact of having people stay home will be felt for a long time. Many businesses will close because of this and it is a terrible thing. However, anyone that is in a position to help should be imo. I know it is easy to say since I am not a billionaire but even being a thousandaire I am looking for ways to help out in any way I can. I work for a medium sized company and work directly with the owners every day planning and preparing for whatever may come next. It has been great to see their priority being the people that work for us and not the bottom line. It has reinforced why I work where I work. That said I know we have a business to run and can't put ourselves out of work. It is a fine line and again I get that. There are people who are in a position to help in this country and it would be nice to see them step up that's all. I don't use twitter (or any social media), if I see something in the news, I research it further. Then I do the only thing I can do in this situation and that is vote with my dollars. I'm not blackballing companies that I don't see did anything but I won't be supporting companies that are releasing policies I don't agree with. Whole foods got some grief for asking employees to share PTO which is a bad look. While I typed this post Jeff Bezos made another million dollars. Due to the bad publicity both Amazon and Whole foods responded by increasing wages temporarily while putting in other protections. Looking further into the players donating to arena workers many owners have responded by matching donations. All great to see. In a capitalist society the only way I can show approval/disapproval is with my shopping habits so that is what I will do going forward. This is an unprecedented event in my lifetime and I am an eternal optimist (susy ***** sunshine as my wife like to call me ). I'm hoping this situation brings out the greatness in humanity and we all work together to make sure people's lives aren't destroyed because of this. As an aside I hate communicating through text because something is lost imo which is why I both lurk way more than I post and am so wordy when I do chose to post. This conversation has so many intricacies that it is hard to convey my exact thoughts and feelings. tl;dr If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.... So let us begin anew — remembering on both sides that civility is not a sign of weakness, and sincerity is always subject to proof... And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country.
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