jletha Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: Ugh Beckham did just as fine as Brown. And FOH with Randall Cobb and Giants and Jets offense lol. They were all dumpster fires. Never said Beane was. Smoke didn't join an offense with Jarvis Landry or Amari Cooper eh? I love Smoke and Beasley but they shouldn't be going up against the top CBs in the league. They're perfect as the 2 and 3. I'll happily give Beane an A in time if he can get the group to par. B is still waiting on him to wow me with the roster Dude, wut? Brown had more yards and more TDs and costs a fraction of the money and 0 picks. THAT IS WHAT A GOOD GM DOES. And yes their offense was dumpster fires but they paid more $$$ for that dumpster fire than we did. Now we are a 10 win team in the playoffs with $90 mill in cap space. Again, that is what a good GM does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: I'm just having a retrospective of possibly my favorite Bills season to date lol. Of course we don't know how to handle it.. it never happens! Kelvin Benjamin still irks me. Disliked him in Carolina I thought the thread was about this year. KB has been gone since before the end of last season. The board seems all over the place on this one, so who are we crediting for our success this year? Edited January 3, 2020 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: Sure if an A+ is putting together the greatest show on turf over one off-season where does that put Beane..? A front office HC A and GM A is a 15-1 team. It's just my grading curve lol. B-/A is a great FO Why would you allow a loss? You need higher expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, jletha said: Why would you allow a loss? You need higher expectations. Cuz they qualified for playoffs in week 14 and sat out starters. When Beane puts together the greatest show on turf he'll be the man. 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I thought the thread was about this year Eh it's a missing WR we coulda had this year. GMs are graded on their past since they don't really actively affect the team over just one season. Edited January 3, 2020 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, jletha said: Dude, wut? Brown had more yards and more TDs and costs a fraction of the money and 0 picks. THAT IS WHAT A GOOD GM DOES. And yes their offense was dumpster fires but they paid more $$$ for that dumpster fire than we did. Now we are a 10 win team in the playoffs with $90 mill in cap space. Again, that is what a good GM does. 10 wins is what a good HC does. Dude I'm not going to be wowed over a FA WR1 that just scratches 1000 yards.. it happens all the damn time. Someone has to get targets. Look at every team's WR1 If you really want to go into it Jarvis had a better season than Smoke.. AND HE WAS ALREADY ON THE ROSTER. Whoa imagine signing a good WR to an already great WR group. You're the one bringing up a team with 2 1K WRs to a WR discussion Edited January 3, 2020 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Beane - A+ McD - A Daboll - B- Frazier - B+ Allen - B 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: Beane is an easy A. He turned the entire roster in 2 years, may have found his QB and has $90m+ in cap space. He’s the most responsible IMO. Easy A is too generous IMHO. Yes, he did turn the roster over. Yes he drafted JA. He also inherited the 10th top scoring offense and after 3 years has turned it into the 23rd. I view before the third year of your rebuild if you have to flush 9/11 of your offense and start over and still they can't score as kind of a fail. And IMHO you don't give a guy an easy A until the QB he drafted IS a great QB (which JA is not (yet hopefully)). B- Edited January 3, 2020 by reddogblitz 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Beane A+ - Completely rebuilt the O-line, had another draft that looks to be producing multiple starters at critical positions, and added some pieces to the skill position core including Brown and Beasley who are quality professional receivers. Also added Roberts who completely stabilized the return game which improved the ST unit. All without locking this team into many contracts that can't be out after 2020 and still saving a lot of space for next off-season. McD A+ - This team plays disciplined and always seems to have good composure. The only blowout loss was the Eagles game (and the Eagles were a winning team this year) and the team won many close games and ended up taking care of a lot of bad opponents. Just a fantastic Coach of the Year type job. Frazier A - The defense has played well, not sure if he is going the play calling but he is doing something right as the defense just plays so well and has adjusted its run defense after a lapse in the middle of the season. Daboll B - This is a slightly below average NFL offense. BUT when you take into account that the offense has 9 new starters, a young growing QB who was a bit of a project coming out and still lacks in some areas you can kind of call it a success to get this unit to play just below average. Allen has also taken a step up in year two even if he still has some more development needed. Allen B minus - Allen has come in and improved a lot but he still isn't a top 10 or possibly even top 15 QB. He needs to not miss as many easy throws and process the game quicker. But not everything is going to come year one and he played both clutch and cut down on turnovers a lot. So I give him a slightly above average grade. Let see how he does with another off-season in and a couple of extra weapons to go to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Nice article just dropped by The Ringer that really speaks to the path forward for this team. Only 1 Defensive starter is an UDFA (Lorenzo Alexander) .. with Levi Wallace a RFA and no real high ticket-priced guys. This speaks to Beane (acquiring reasonable priced talent) and McDermott (getting the most out of them) https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2020/1/3/21048726/buffalo-bills-josh-allen-playoffs-wild-card-texans 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Easy A is too generous IMHO. Yes, he did turn the roster over. Yes he drafted JA. He also inherited the 10th top scoring offense and after 3 years has turned it into the 23rd. I view before the third year of your rebuild if you have to flush 9/11 of your offense and start over and still they can't score as kind of a fail. And IMHO you don't give a guy an easy A until the QB he drafted IS a great QB (which JA is not (yet hopefully)). B- By your logic he also turned a middling defensive unit on a capped out team into a top 2 defensive unit with a long term great cap situation. The 2016 team McBeane inherited finished 7-9 with a bad cap situation. I can't exactly think he should be given a negative for gutting that "wild success." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Anybody that gives Beane anything less then a A needs to re evaluate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonbus23 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, matter2003 said: How much did you expect in one offsesason with 9 new starters on offense and multiple new backups/reserves? I mean c'mon bro, let's be realistic here. I know it doesn't matter in Madden and you can just plug and play anyone and not suffer any dropoff but this is real life and it matters---a LOT. Nah. Teams turn around in one season with new players. In fact, it's the new players that turn the team around quickly. On top of that some new players were veterans like Morse, Gore, Beasley and Brown. The fact is that the offense didn't show much most of this season. Whether it's Daboll or the players or a combo is certainly up for debate. Edited January 3, 2020 by leonbus23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: Right. I guess my point is I'm giving a lot of that culture to McDermott's job as HC. I'm probably just grading on a curve here to make McD stand out more, but Beane's been more than good enough to stick with. Not calling for his head or anything. Y'all be complaining about a B-.. I'd have called it worth it had they beaten the Patriots. Thought the GM was doing great until they resigned Gurley. Also quite a bit of bad luck with his injury. Continuing to trade high picks this year was not smart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: By your logic he also turned a middling defensive unit on a capped out team into a top 2 defensive unit with a long term great cap situation. The 2016 team McBeane inherited finished 7-9 with a bad cap situation. I can't exactly think he should be given a negative for gutting that "wild success." That's true. But you gotta be at least average in all phases of the game if you are lights out in one. Last year Chiefs were lights out on O and pedestrian on D and look what it got them. Same could be said for Falcons a few years ago. This is the 3rd year of the rebuild. Should be just about done. Mostly is, but the O still stinks. My response was that he didn't deserve an A+. To get an A+, a GM needs to have at least one hide on the wall IMHO. I don't give anyone credit for salary cap room, it's what you do with it which he hasn't had a chance yet. Stay tuned ... Go BILLS !! Edited January 3, 2020 by reddogblitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: That's true. But you gotta be at least average in all phases of the game if you are lights out in one. Last year Chiefs were lights out on O and pedestrian on D and look what it got them. Same could be said for Falcons a few years ago. This is the 3rd year of the rebuild. Should be just about done. Mostly is, but the O still stinks. My response was that he didn't deserve an A+. To get an A+, a GM needs to have at least one hide on the wall IMHO. I don't give anyone credit for salary cap room, it's what you do with it which he hasn't had a chance yet. Stay tuned ... Go BILLS !! Yep. My rationale is I can't give a GM an A for putting out dog doodoo on one side of the ball. 25 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Anybody that gives Beane anything less then a A needs to re evaluate I'd give my left nut to still have Robert Woods on the roster Edited January 3, 2020 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: Yep. My rationale is I can't give a GM an A for putting out dog doodoo on one side of the ball. After 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Pretty fair grades @BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P I would give Beane an A- though - he turned over the offense as best he could in one offseason. He brought in 2 legitimate NFL wideouts, when last year there was really only practice squad level talent there. Drafted what looks like a very good RB. Drafted two TEs, one of whom contributes regularly, drops aside. Partially fixed the offensive line with a premier center, a high draft pick and decent free agents. Pretty solid work in one year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 54 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Easy A is too generous IMHO. Yes, he did turn the roster over. Yes he drafted JA. He also inherited the 10th top scoring offense and after 3 years has turned it into the 23rd. I view before the third year of your rebuild if you have to flush 9/11 of your offense and start over and still they can't score as kind of a fail. And IMHO you don't give a guy an easy A until the QB he drafted IS a great QB (which JA is not (yet hopefully)). B- Agree to disagree To me he is the person most responsible for the position that they are in. Drafted great and signed the right guys. Still has a ton of cap space Edited January 3, 2020 by Kirby Jackson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 12 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: Pretty fair grades @BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P I would give Beane an A- though - he turned over the offense as best he could in one offseason. He brought in 2 legitimate NFL wideouts, when last year there was really only practice squad level talent there. Drafted what looks like a very good RB. Drafted two TEs, one of whom contributes regularly, drops aside. Partially fixed the offensive line with a premier center, a high draft pick and decent free agents. Pretty solid work in one year. How much more would he have had to have done to get an A+? He found 4 offensive line starters, 2 wideouts, a starting running back, young TE's with potential, and depth. He also found a gem D-line player in the draft and did so without tying the team down in any long term contracts that are hard to get out of beyond 2020. So I don't see how much better he could have done without capping out the team or compromising their cap situation long term. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 11 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Agree to disagree To me he is the person most responsible for the position that they are in. Drafted great and signed the right guys. Still has a ton of cap space I agree Beane is doing a good job. Just not an easy A job. Passing on the top 3 young QBs in the AFC and then taking Josh Allen is not easy A drafting. Josh is good and may some day be great, but he's not even in the same ball yard as the other 3. I need to see more for an easy A. A playoff win at home would be good place to start. What we have so far is a good start at an easy A IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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