Teddy KGB Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 hour ago, BillsFanForReal said: Tee Higgins. I think hes the next AJ Green. Would require a trade up no ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poblano Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: 3) A DE capable of creating consistent pass rush. Shaq, while having the best season of his career is clearly a second-tier kind of guy, a Ryan Denney/Aaron Schoebel type. 2 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: Lawson isn't so bad as Denney and so good as Schoebel(at least in QB pressure), you mean more likely someone like Kelsey or even Hansen, both players get benefits from the game of the other DE Edited December 23, 2019 by poblano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Just now, Teddy KGB said: Would require a trade up no ? Most Mocks I have seen have him going in the 15-25 range Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, ALF said: He could be a 3rd RB but a bruiser for short yardage and blocking is a need. Gore was good to mentor Singletary but I think it's time for him to retire. I think Wade was ok at blocking and he did albeit in PS average over 10.5 YPC. Per Fox Sports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poblano Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Fitzgerald has 71 catches for 759 yards and 4 TDs. He’s the guy that can get you 8 on 3rd and 6 all day long. He is not anything like those guys at the end of his career. Fitzgerald don't have any shade of QB to catch passes from 20 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: That’s another that I can go either way with. He’s inconsistent but has had his moments. If a clear opportunity to upgrade is available go for it but you could do worse. That’s kind of how I feel on the corner too if they bring back Kevin Johnson. Kevin Johnson and Levi Wallace are certainly serviceable. You clearly forgot that for most fans we need a roster full of hall of famers Edited December 23, 2019 by poblano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 (edited) I think you may need to throw an extra CB in there as well. Wallace has been ok, but I believe the position can and will be improved during offseason Edited December 23, 2019 by Patrick_Duffy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Agree with the needs. Could add a LB for insurance on Alexander. I'm not particular about inside or outside, as Edmunds has that versatility. I think Ke'Shawn Vaughn is an excellent fit for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Frankie was averaging 4.6 YPC last year. Old guys produce until they fall off a cliff. I don’t want Larry breaking down in November. I want a 28 year old. We disagree here he is the PERFECT fit for what we need. Brown, Fitzgerald, Beasley and a young stud. That’s a really good group with skills that offset one another. Fitzgerald is nothing like Vontae when we signed him. Davis was basically out of the league. Fitz has had pretty much the same year as Beasley. He will be effective for a year or 2 in that role. If he fell off a cliff (which won’t happen) you play the young guy and have his veteran presence in the room. Edited December 23, 2019 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 I think it's too early to determine IMHO. The FA class sets this entire process into motion. The Draft is reportedly rife with WR / RB talent and when you do your job as a FO, you can find any talent at any position, anywhere in the Draft. You can use other teams and other GMs, but Beane et. al. are examples when you look at Milano, T. Johnson, Foster / Wallace, Dawkins, etc. to say they can unearth talent at various positions in a myriad of Draft locations. However, IMO you balance the strength of the FA class with your team need against the Draft strengths and your Draft position. Which leads me to the second component: Draft position. We know it will be in the 20s but how far down and what are the team needs at that point. To me, Spain needs to be re-signed given the depth issue on Offensive Line is always a challenge and he's been good but not amazing and Waddle should also come back for the depth reason. Then, as you the OP said and I agree, IF and that's a big IF, a good RT is available in FA then you sign them and allow yourself the flexibility to move Ford to either RG or RT, and he essentially becomes your swing Offensive Linemen as he gets stronger and better. So, I could see them taking a big swing at RT and keeping Feliciano at RG for another year while Ford is being groomed to take the RG position afterwards. You have Morse, Dawkins, Spain, Feliciano and then FA RT for next year. That's 4 out of 5 returning starters and then Ford to grow into the RG position for a year. Then if possible you get a boundary WR via FA and a another LBer but maybe not a starter, might be better depth OLB. To me, TE is not as big a need as others make it seem. They've paid Kroft and Knox has done well for a Rookie and next year he should be much improved. TE is one of the hardest positions for a Rookie and is close to leading all Rookie TEs despite his intermittent production. I don't think I'd spend FA capital on a TE at this point, but then again if Hooper makes it out of Atlanta (which I doubt), I can also see the merits in paying him. Just keep in mind we haven't hardly seen Sweeney which might be Lee Smith's heir apparent. I think they need to Draft a WR and I would try to get a better RB to be the big, bullying back via FA or trade if possible but they do need one. Great for Josh to be able to get those hard-nosed 1st downs, but you want a big RB for that, not your franchise QB. I think OLB is the biggest need outside of RT and boundary WR, so depending on how those are addressed, I could see the Bills using their 1st round pick on an OLB to compliment Milano as well. It just all depends on who actually becomes available in FA before we can answer Draft questions. More than all of this, Tre White, Dawkins, Lawson, and Spain all need to be signed to extensions. That's where the bulk of the Cap money should go. Begin to build in your front-loaded contracts so when it's Josh's turn, your money is well-allocated while your developed and devoted players have gotten paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: We disagree here he is the PERFECT fit for what we need. Brown, Fitzgerald, Beasley and a young stud. That’s a really good group with skills that offset one another. Fitzgerald is nothing like Vontae when we signed him. Davis was basically out of the league. Fitz has had pretty much the same year as Beasley. He will be effective for a year or 2 in that role. If he fell off a cliff (which won’t happen) you play the young guy and have his veteran presence in the room. Larry Fitzgerald’s teammates thought he might retire LAST year and you’re guaranteeing he won’t fall off a cliff next year? We can’t even guarantee he’ll play! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Larry Fitzgerald’s teammates thought he might retire LAST year and you’re guaranteeing he won’t fall off a cliff next year? We can’t even guarantee he’ll play! Not playing and falling off a cliff are 2 different things. If he retires obviously he won’t be here. If he plays he will do what he always does, produces. He’s a consummate professional that will be ending his career in a ring chase. You don’t think that he will be ready to go in that scenario? He’s going to finish the year with 75 catches and 820 yards (or something like that). If he give you 3/4 of that (which he absolutely will) we are talking about 56 catches for 615 yards. For comparison sake McKenzie and Foster have combined for 28 catches and 311 yards. That’s the spot that we are talking about for Fitz. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Cripple Creek said: I’d go all in on Cooper to wrap up WR. We need production right away, no growing pains. RT...either way will work, more likely to fill the need via FA though, I think. We aren’t drafting high and we need to make sure that position is solidified. DE...likely have to draft, unless you move Edmunds to the outside and use his rush skills more. That would allow you to get a run stuffer which you can do in the draft. RB...either or. After what I've seen in big games with Cooper, it's a hard pass. He disappears in big games 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Johnson can replace whatever Murphy gives you. Hughes is fine for 1 more year. Instead of giving Lawson $9-10m per year, I’d rather go after one of the elite edge guys for $15-20m per year. Only way I see us signing Phillips is if we cut Star. We’ll also be getting back the other Phillips. Draft an explosive playmaker in 1st round. Doesn’t matter if it’s a RB/WR/TE, Allen needs somebody on offense to take the pressure off him having to do everything. If the pick is a WR, sign a high level free agent RB like Gordon, whose price tag has definitely come down. If the pick is a RB, sign a Fitzgerald or Green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 17 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: I think it's too early to determine IMHO. The FA class sets this entire process into motion. The Draft is reportedly rife with WR / RB talent and when you do your job as a FO, you can find any talent at any position, anywhere in the Draft. You can use other teams and other GMs, but Beane et. al. are examples when you look at Milano, T. Johnson, Foster / Wallace, Dawkins, etc. to say they can unearth talent at various positions in a myriad of Draft locations. However, IMO you balance the strength of the FA class with your team need against the Draft strengths and your Draft position. Which leads me to the second component: Draft position. We know it will be in the 20s but how far down and what are the team needs at that point. To me, Spain needs to be re-signed given the depth issue on Offensive Line is always a challenge and he's been good but not amazing and Waddle should also come back for the depth reason. Then, as you the OP said and I agree, IF and that's a big IF, a good RT is available in FA then you sign them and allow yourself the flexibility to move Ford to either RG or RT, and he essentially becomes your swing Offensive Linemen as he gets stronger and better. So, I could see them taking a big swing at RT and keeping Feliciano at RG for another year while Ford is being groomed to take the RG position afterwards. You have Morse, Dawkins, Spain, Feliciano and then FA RT for next year. That's 4 out of 5 returning starters and then Ford to grow into the RG position for a year. Then if possible you get a boundary WR via FA and a another LBer but maybe not a starter, might be better depth OLB. To me, TE is not as big a need as others make it seem. They've paid Kroft and Knox has done well for a Rookie and next year he should be much improved. TE is one of the hardest positions for a Rookie and is close to leading all Rookie TEs despite his intermittent production. I don't think I'd spend FA capital on a TE at this point, but then again if Hooper makes it out of Atlanta (which I doubt), I can also see the merits in paying him. Just keep in mind we haven't hardly seen Sweeney which might be Lee Smith's heir apparent. I think they need to Draft a WR and I would try to get a better RB to be the big, bullying back via FA or trade if possible but they do need one. Great for Josh to be able to get those hard-nosed 1st downs, but you want a big RB for that, not your franchise QB. I think OLB is the biggest need outside of RT and boundary WR, so depending on how those are addressed, I could see the Bills using their 1st round pick on an OLB to compliment Milano as well. It just all depends on who actually becomes available in FA before we can answer Draft questions. More than all of this, Tre White, Dawkins, Lawson, and Spain all need to be signed to extensions. That's where the bulk of the Cap money should go. Begin to build in your front-loaded contracts so when it's Josh's turn, your money is well-allocated while your developed and devoted players have gotten paid. Why not just move Felliciano to LG, Ford to RG, and just sign a FA RT while letting Spain leave? The kid has a year under his belt and experience at RG. Just making that swap improves the athleticism on the interior. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 2 hours ago, the skycap said: Now do the highlights from this year. I'll wait? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Cripple Creek said: I’d go all in on Cooper to wrap up WR. We need production right away, no growing pains. RT...either way will work, more likely to fill the need via FA though, I think. We aren’t drafting high and we need to make sure that position is solidified. DE...likely have to draft, unless you move Edmunds to the outside and use his rush skills more. That would allow you to get a run stuffer which you can do in the draft. RB...either or. Nope. Would rather have a rookie on a rookie deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 I want a Deebo Samuels/Eric Moulds type WR. It would help out this Offense so kuch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Not playing and falling off a cliff are 2 different things. If he retires obviously he won’t be here. If he plays he will do what he always does, produces. He’s a consummate professional that will be ending his career in a ring chase. You don’t think that he will be ready to go in that scenario? He’s going to finish the year with 75 catches and 820 yards (or something like that). If he give you 3/4 of that (which he absolutely will) we are talking about 56 catches for 615 yards. For comparison sake McKenzie and Foster have combined for 28 catches and 311 yards. That’s the spot that we are talking about for Fitz. Dude I love Larry Fitz too. I just don’t think it’s a good plan. I’d rather draft two WR’s than 1 and Fitz. or just trade for Adam Thielen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgrochester55 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 1) A true #1 receiver. Look, I get it. Brown's had an amazing year, but he clearly lacks the size necessary to compete for contested passes. Completely agree. Brown and Beasley as a one and two are adequate and much improved from what they had last year, but not ideal. As a two and three with a true #1 receiver, that would be a great group. I would imagine that this is a top priority 2) A RT that's actually capable of blocking people. Cody Ford is pretty clearly not the answer here, as was evidenced on the last series of the last drive. Ford is a disappointment, but i am not ready to call him a bust yet. If I recall correctly, Ford is better suited at guard. He looked pretty good in preseason when playing there. Feliciano is having a good year but traditionally is replacement level. I would like to see Buffalo add a true starting tackle and Have Ford compete for a guard spot next year. 3) A DE capable of creating consistent pass rush. Shaq, while having the best season of his career is clearly a second-tier kind of guy, a Ryan Denney/Aaron Schoebel type. Any team could always use an elite pass rusher, but this is not as much of a need as the other two. I doubt that Buffalo retains both Lawson and Phillips, so adding depth here with a veteran free agent or mid round picks seems to be the likely path. 4) A RB to pair with Motor. Need more size and youth at this position.- One nice thing about running back is that it is routine to get good ones in mid or later rounds of the draft. I could definitely see Buffalo adding a couple of running backs to the mix this year. I would also add linebacker depth. Alexander isn't getting any younger and Milano can be pushed around sometimes. The backups seem to be nothing more than depth and not real long term options as starters. I could see this position suddenly becoming a weakness if not addressed in the next year or two. Overall, this team is just a little bit away from being great. The needs are not as much as they have been in many others seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 48 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Fitzgerald has 71 catches for 759 yards and 4 TDs. He’s the guy that can get you 8 on 3rd and 6 all day long. He is not anything like those guys at the end of his career. He has said multiple times that he will be finishing his career as a Cardinal. Not happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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