class_of_2012 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) He was nominated for the Centennial class as a coach, but he played for the Bills as a QB in the late 60's. He is only one of two [not three, like I originally posted] people to have won a SB as a player, assistant coach, and head coach. Enshrinees will be selected January 8. Let's go Tom! https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28335154/bill-cowher-jimmy-johnson-38-finalists-pro-football-hall-fame-centennial-class Edited December 20, 2019 by class_of_2012 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Ditka and who else? Thomas Raymond Flores is an American former professional football coach and player. He and Mike Ditka are the only two people in National Football League history to win a Super Bowl as a player, assistant coach, and head coach. Career history As player: Salinas Packers (1958) Oakland Raiders (1960–1966) Buffalo Bills (1967–1969) Kansas City Chiefs (1969) As coach: Oakland / Los Angeles Raiders (1979–1987) Head coach Seattle Seahawks (1992–1994) Head coach Career highlights and awards As Player Super Bowl champion (IV) AFL All-Star (1966) As Coach 3× Super Bowl champion: XI (as assistant coach) XV, XVIII (as head coach) Career NFL statistics TD–INT: 93–92 Passing yards: 11,959 Passer rating: 67.6 Head coaching record Regular season: 97–87 (.527) Postseason: 8–3 (.727) Career: 105–90 (.538) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) Dungy? edit: there isn't a third? Edited December 19, 2019 by row_33 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 ...Flores and Plunkett ?...should they be in?......both we're accomplished, but I've often wondered in this day and age of "political correctness" why Tom (Hispanic) or Jim (Native American) have not been brought up more frequently...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...Flores and Plunkett ?...should they be in?......both we're accomplished, but I've often wondered in this day and age of "political correctness" why Tom (Hispanic) or Jim (Native American) have not been brought up more frequently...... or their accomplishments? i assume Eli gets in with his 2 SB wins.... but that's another matter down the road 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...Flores and Plunkett ?...should they be in?......both we're accomplished, but I've often wondered in this day and age of "political correctness" why Tom (Hispanic) or Jim (Native American) have not been brought up more frequently...... Plunkett is both Hispanic and Native American. His father's middle name was Guiterrez. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticketssince61 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 He was involved in one of the worst trades in Bills history Traded away Lamonica and Glen Bass for Flores and Art Powell https://www.si.com/vault/1967/11/13/610151/a-big-raid-that-really-paid-off 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmishRifle Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 I honestly never knew he was a Bill. Thanks for posting OP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...Flores and Plunkett ?...should they be in?......both we're accomplished, but I've often wondered in this day and age of "political correctness" why Tom (Hispanic) or Jim (Native American) have not been brought up more frequently...... LOL plunkett? He was one of the worst QBs to ever win a Super Bowl, he had the good fortune of playing on a really talented Raiders team. Plunkett is in no way shape or form a Hall of Famer, technically Plunkett was a draft bust before landing on the raiders and the only reason anyone remembers plunkett is because he took over an injured Dan Pasterini. Edited December 20, 2019 by BuffaloBills1998 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 20 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: LOL plunkett? He was one of the worst QBs to ever win a Super Bowl, he had the good fortune of playing on a really talented Raiders team. Plunkett is in no way shape or form a Hall of Famer, technically Plunkett was a draft bust before landing on the raiders and the only reason anyone remembers plunkett is because he took over an injured Dan Pasterini. Dont disagree, but the HoF is a weird place. Joe Namath was probably just as bad, if not worse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Dont disagree, but the HoF is a weird place. Joe Namath was probably just as bad, if not worse. Namath had leadership skills and toughness. And he helped change the game by being the first QB in NFL history to throw for 4,000 yards, something that was unheard of back in those days especially when it was all about running the ball and playing defense, that’s why Joe made the HOF. Plunkett was never really a leader by any means and wasn’t at all accurate when he threw the football Edited December 20, 2019 by BuffaloBills1998 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 3 hours ago, class_of_2012 said: He was nominated for the Centennial class as a coach, but he played for the Bills as a QB in the late 60's. He is only one of three people to have won a SB as a player, assistant coach, and head coach. Enshrinees will be selected January 8. Let's go Tom! https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28335154/bill-cowher-jimmy-johnson-38-finalists-pro-football-hall-fame-centennial-class Sorry, but the trade we made to get Flores cost us Daryle Lamonica and gave the Raiders a QB to go to the Super Bowl with. Flores never did anything for us AND cost us Lamonica. Not interested in joining the cheering squad on this one. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Namath had leadership skills and toughness. And he helped change the game by being the first QB in NFL history to throw for 4,000 yards, something that was unheard of back in those days especially when it was all about running the ball and playing defense, that’s why Joe made the HOF. Plunkett was never really a leader by any means and wasn’t at all accurate when he threw the football I honestly cant speak on it much as I never saw either of them play, just able to look at stats. However, Plunkett has a higher career completion percentage, and Joe only had one season where he threw for more touchdowns than ints. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: I honestly cant speak on it much as I never saw either of them play, just able to look at stats. However, Plunkett has a higher career completion percentage, and Joe only had one season where he threw for more touchdowns than ints. Plunkett Never had the swag that Namath had. Plus unlike Plunkett, Namath never got benched multiple times especially after winning the Super Bowl. Plunkett just got lucky at landing on the right team at the right time. If Pastorini had never gotten hurt no one would know or remember who Jim Plunkett was Edited December 20, 2019 by BuffaloBills1998 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 hour ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: Sorry, but the trade we made to get Flores cost us Daryle Lamonica and gave the Raiders a QB to go to the Super Bowl with. Flores never did anything for us AND cost us Lamonica. Not interested in joining the cheering squad on this one. Worst trade in team history? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 53 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Plunkett Never had the swag that Namath had. Plus unlike Plunkett, Namath never got benched multiple times especially after winning the Super Bowl. Plunkett just got lucky at landing on the right team at the right time. If Pastorini had never gotten hurt no one would know or remember who Jim Plunkett was With a small exception or two, I have to agree. Plunkett was a lucky bum. But he was a gutty sucker. He was like a lineman, in the body of a fullback, playing QB. HOF? Seriously? And I REALLY like Jim Plunkett--well, my image of him anyway. Nameth's stats, overall, don't look Hall of Fame-ish, but he was on the forefront of changing the game. Historic Super Bowl win. I'm not a guy who worships at the house of Broadway Joe, but no question he belongs. I'm completely clueless and unqualified to judge Flores' HOF qualifications as a coach. But no way in the world his stint as a player helps much, IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 3 hours ago, ticketssince61 said: He was involved in one of the worst trades in Bills history Traded away Lamonica and Glen Bass for Flores and Art Powell https://www.si.com/vault/1967/11/13/610151/a-big-raid-that-really-paid-off A dark day in my youth. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 2 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: LOL plunkett? He was one of the worst QBs to ever win a Super Bowl, he had the good fortune of playing on a really talented Raiders team. Plunkett is in no way shape or form a Hall of Famer, technically Plunkett was a draft bust before landing on the raiders and the only reason anyone remembers plunkett is because he took over an injured Dan Pasterini. how old are you?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 2 hours ago, klos63 said: Worst trade in team history? Has to be... we went through the desert for years at QB because of it. Ugh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) Flores is long overdue But so is Don Coryell Edited December 20, 2019 by Ethan in Portland 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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