KD in CA Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: See our resident envious Mets fans are out in force! You just wait.....we're about to have the world's most corrupt hedge fund titan as our owner.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 4 hours ago, row_33 said: oh yeah? Jays just came to terms with Tanner Roarke dancing, they're dancing in the streets... NAh, barely anyone knows about it, they are too busy fawning over Kwahi gracing them with his presence again after ditching them the first chance he could...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 9 hours ago, Sanners said: Yep, but the sport is dying. No interest in about 70% of teams. Revenue is up 69% since 2010. It's not even close to dying and cannon fodder still makes the owners money via the television deals and revenue sharing. Baseball is doing just fine financially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 15 hours ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: agreed. Nutting doesn’t have to spend any money. He can put a garbage product on the field and make a ton of money. Consider that that pirates team not long ago had Cole, Mark Melancon, and Charlie Morton— three critical players on playoffs teams this past year. He let them all walk. I'm a fan of the Twins and formerly the Bucs. The last straw for me was when they traded Cutch. Just had my fill of the Nutting era Pirates at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 It is awful... and I dont need Yankees or Red Sox fans give me reasons why its great because as proof, Tampa can qualify for a quick playoff exit once every few years or so. It must be fun to have all these winter acquisitions and hopes, but for like 80-% of the league its miserable. There are about 1/8 to 1/4 of the teams who can truly compete year to year, grab stars, and get better. All the other teams can only hope that everything lines up with the right young players for a 2 year window so they can steal a few good seasons. Teams like the Indians, who do very well drafting and developing, are nothing but feeder systems for their New York, Boston, LA, and Philadelphia overlords. We can never again have an all-time great player. They will finish up their non-UFA requirements with Cleveland until they are traded for miscellaneous prospects and picks. People like to point to 'home-grown' players on the Yankees, Red Sox, etc. The biggest difference is they get to KEEP those players, and also add cy young and mvp candidates to them. The system shows that Francisco Lindor is going to get a $400 Million payday from one of these teams. Even if the Indians signed him, they couldnt afford anything other than peanut vendors for the rest of the roster. He should be on the Mount Rushmore for the franchise someday, but will probably be known as a Yankee or something when it is all said and done. Same thing with Sabathia. It erodes people's interest in the league and their teams. I am almost done. Add that into the complete destruction of the minor leagues. Its awful. MLB's biggest fan demographic is aging/old. They need new/young fans and to get with the times. Relegating 2/3 of the league and chopping like half of the minor leagues (while already altering them into nothing more than a pitch-count developmental dish with no real competition) isnt the way to do it. The economic structure of the league needs to change. Not sure exactly how it should be done. Probably something closer to NHL and NFL with salaries tied to revenue, revenue sharing, and salary floors and caps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 13 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said: Born in 1960, O's AA team was in Elmira and thats my connection. Earl Weaver manged here and most of the core played here for that era. 1969 losing to the Mets broke my heart. Little did I know what was to follow... O's had a great run 1968 to the early 80s, and years beyond that in contention 57 minutes ago, May Day 10 said: It is awful... and I dont need Yankees or Red Sox fans give me reasons why its great because as proof, Tampa can qualify for a quick playoff exit once every few years or so. It must be fun to have all these winter acquisitions and hopes, but for like 80-% of the league its miserable. There are about 1/8 to 1/4 of the teams who can truly compete year to year, grab stars, and get better. All the other teams can only hope that everything lines up with the right young players for a 2 year window so they can steal a few good seasons. Teams like the Indians, who do very well drafting and developing, are nothing but feeder systems for their New York, Boston, LA, and Philadelphia overlords. We can never again have an all-time great player. They will finish up their non-UFA requirements with Cleveland until they are traded for miscellaneous prospects and picks. People like to point to 'home-grown' players on the Yankees, Red Sox, etc. The biggest difference is they get to KEEP those players, and also add cy young and mvp candidates to them. The system shows that Francisco Lindor is going to get a $400 Million payday from one of these teams. Even if the Indians signed him, they couldnt afford anything other than peanut vendors for the rest of the roster. He should be on the Mount Rushmore for the franchise someday, but will probably be known as a Yankee or something when it is all said and done. Same thing with Sabathia. It erodes people's interest in the league and their teams. I am almost done. Add that into the complete destruction of the minor leagues. Its awful. MLB's biggest fan demographic is aging/old. They need new/young fans and to get with the times. Relegating 2/3 of the league and chopping like half of the minor leagues (while already altering them into nothing more than a pitch-count developmental dish with no real competition) isnt the way to do it. The economic structure of the league needs to change. Not sure exactly how it should be done. Probably something closer to NHL and NFL with salaries tied to revenue, revenue sharing, and salary floors and caps. has MLB improved excitement because teams 5 under .500 in July are "in contention" because their division totally sucks? i would support a Premier and Division 1 setup for baseball (see Euro soccer) where the top 15 teams that are serious about winning can duke it out, and promote/relegate 3 teams each year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, row_33 said: O's had a great run 1968 to the early 80s, and years beyond that in contention has MLB improved excitement because teams 5 under .500 in July are "in contention" because their division totally sucks? i would support a Premier and Division 1 setup for baseball (see Euro soccer) where the top 15 teams that are serious about winning can duke it out, and promote/relegate 3 teams each year I have said it a hundred times. Ideally, baseball should take a sledgehammer to the entire thing. Do a promotion/relegation system from the top, all the way to Class A. We would have meaningful and competitive baseball in every corner of the USA. There would have to be a whole system of loaning/leasing players to lower levels and such, and a whole lot to figure out. But it would be amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 13 minutes ago, May Day 10 said: I have said it a hundred times. Ideally, baseball should take a sledgehammer to the entire thing. Do a promotion/relegation system from the top, all the way to Class A. We would have meaningful and competitive baseball in every corner of the USA. There would have to be a whole system of loaning/leasing players to lower levels and such, and a whole lot to figure out. But it would be amazing. the Premier division can start with the teams that have bonus billions from local TV contracts, along with other teams that are worthy of the honour of being taken seriously i like to watch the sport, especially when I NEED IT many nights during those 6 months it is there for me dominance doesn't bother me, i don't mind teams being all that good and worthy of tuning in for beyond local interest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyal2dagame Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 On 12/11/2019 at 8:38 AM, Pete said: Yanks finally get their #1. Look out MLB. They have been chasing Cole for years I've been complaining for like 10 yrs that the Yankees need pitching and not more big bats. Their best years in the 90s to early 2000s were in part due to a awesome rotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) Yanks signed Gardner one year deal today. Hicks-Judge-Stanton-Gardner is a great outfield group. Voit-Urshela/LeMahieue/Gleyber-Andujar-Sanchez makes a stacked lineup. Relief is deep. We could add a bat at 1B/DH to further improve. Maybe more pitching- you can’t have too much. The 1980’s and 2010’s were the only decades the Yanks did not win a championship. It’s time we win in 2020 and start this decade off right. Go Yanks! 1923 1927 1928 1932 1936 1937 1938 1939 1941 1943 1947 1949 1950 1951 1952 1953 1956 1958 1961 1962 1977 1978 1996 1998 1999 2000 2009 Edited December 12, 2019 by Pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Pete said: Yanks signed Gardner one year deal today. Hicks-Judge-Stanton-Gardner is a great outfield group. Voit-Urshela/LeMahieue/Gleyber-Andujar-Sanchez makes a stacked lineup. Relief is deep. We could add a bat at 1B/DH to further improve. Maybe more pitching- you can’t have too much. The 1960’s and 2010’s were the only decades they Yanks did not win a championship. It’s time we win in 2020 and start this decade off right. Go Yanks! 1923 1927 1928 1932 1936 1937 1938 1939 1941 1943 1947 1949 1950 1951 1952 1953 1956 1958 1961 1962 1977 1978 1996 1998 1999 2000 2009 Yankees won in 1961 and 1962, most powerfully.... they didn't win the WS in the 1980s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Pete said: Yanks signed Gardner one year deal today. Hicks-Judge-Stanton-Gardner is a great outfield group. Voit-Urshela/LeMahieue/Gleyber-Andujar-Sanchez makes a stacked lineup. Relief is deep. We could add a bat at 1B/DH to further improve. Maybe more pitching- you can’t have too much. The 1980’s and 2010’s were the only decades the Yanks did not win a championship. It’s time we win in 2020 and start this decade off right. Go Yanks! 1923 1927 1928 1932 1936 1937 1938 1939 1941 1943 1947 1949 1950 1951 1952 1953 1956 1958 1961 1962 1977 1978 1996 1998 1999 2000 2009 Saw yanks are interested in Josh Hader today. Also looking at Martin Maldonado to be Coles catcher. His bat is very good but pretty good defensively. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-trade-rumors-yankees-pursuing-brewers-all-star-closer-josh-hader/amp/ Edited December 12, 2019 by Not at the table Karlos Hader not Huber and link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 it's fun to watch a normal team daily, then save a power team for once a week see a lineup without a conceivable weakness at all, like the Astros as they beat the crap out of their opponent. i still stick with picking a middling team and watching most of their games daily, the White Sox were last year's, not sure this time around, probably a NL team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 It’s crazy stupid money for baseball players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 So the owner collusion 2.0 against free agents of late is now over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 On 12/11/2019 at 1:45 AM, Virgil said: Yankees reset the standard for elite pitching contracts. Crazy how far these contracts have come. NBA salary levels per year https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28271369/sources-yankees-gerrit-cole-agree-record-9-year-324m-deal @Mike in Horseheads They should just give percentage of team since contracts are getting so ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 9 hours ago, Limeaid said: They should just give percentage of team since contracts are getting so ridiculous. been hearing this since 1975, the end is near for crazy contracts you have to sweeten the pot for a pitcher to want to voluntarily join the AL East bandbox ballparks and slo-pitch swing for the close fences every single pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 38 minutes ago, row_33 said: been hearing this since 1975, the end is near for crazy contracts you have to sweeten the pot for a pitcher to want to voluntarily join the AL East bandbox ballparks and slo-pitch swing for the close fences every single pitch Not to mention lineups loaded with big power dudes who make pitchers work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, Alaska Darin said: Not to mention lineups loaded with big power dudes who make pitchers work. i'm stuck with a horrible home team in the AL East, for the foreseeable future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 10 hours ago, row_33 said: i'm stuck with a horrible home team in the AL East, for the foreseeable future maybe not, Management said they are being aggressive this offseason! There was a report that came out that had an agent say that the Jays are doing Diligence on everyone, but 905 of it is just Diligence and isn't going any further then basically just checking in..... They have made offers, but players are turning them down and taking less elsewhere (moustakis turned them down after they met at his house, Gregorious turned them down after he said they could give him alot of time at Short, One of the pitchers took a shorter deal with the Mets, a few others decided to just go back to their teams.) Looking at some of the guys they are going after, I don't understand why they couldnt wait to get rid of Stroman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, apuszczalowski said: maybe not, Management said they are being aggressive this offseason! There was a report that came out that had an agent say that the Jays are doing Diligence on everyone, but 905 of it is just Diligence and isn't going any further then basically just checking in..... They have made offers, but players are turning them down and taking less elsewhere (moustakis turned them down after they met at his house, Gregorious turned them down after he said they could give him alot of time at Short, One of the pitchers took a shorter deal with the Mets, a few others decided to just go back to their teams.) Looking at some of the guys they are going after, I don't understand why they couldnt wait to get rid of Stroman. Wilner assures us that winning is just around the corner... Edited December 17, 2019 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 16 minutes ago, Bandito said: The Yankees owner isn't the richest one. The Yankees spend their money. Other owners keep theirs and are mediocre and are okay with that. Blue Jays are probably richer, but the owner won't pay the team more than low-market fees for the TV rights. the whole thing is just an advertisement for the cable monopoly that owns the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 ------------------- but THIS is just fine and lah-dee-dah, as long as the Yankees aren't signing the man... Report: Hyun-Jin Ryu Expected to Sign Larger Contract Than Madison Bumgarner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 hours ago, row_33 said: ------------------- but THIS is just fine and lah-dee-dah, as long as the Yankees aren't signing the man... Report: Hyun-Jin Ryu Expected to Sign Larger Contract Than Madison Bumgarner I wouldn't be surprised, I assumed Bumgarner was older then he was cause he seems to be wearing down. Ryu was runner up for the NL CY Young last season. I think he ends up an Angel after declining any offers from the Dodgers who seem to want everyone else over him. Can't see him choosing Toronto even if they make a huge offer. I would rather see them make an effort to get Keuchel and maybe even Tehran or another next tier FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 4 hours ago, row_33 said: Blue Jays are probably richer, but the owner won't pay the team more than low-market fees for the TV rights. the whole thing is just an advertisement for the cable monopoly that owns the team The Yankees spend their money, but they also make alot more then almost everyone else. The problem in Toronto is that their ownership is a corporaion and not an individual owner. They can't just spend whatever they feel like. Most teams today are making most of their revenue from big TV deals, but the Jays ownership owns the station so they can't get a huge TV deal like others. Since they are owned by a corporation, they are also a bottom line team where they have to turn a profit or atleast break even because of the shareholders. It sucks because they are in one of the biggest markets but act like a small market team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 20 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: The Yankees spend their money, but they also make alot more then almost everyone else. The problem in Toronto is that their ownership is a corporaion and not an individual owner. They can't just spend whatever they feel like. Most teams today are making most of their revenue from big TV deals, but the Jays ownership owns the station so they can't get a huge TV deal like others. Since they are owned by a corporation, they are also a bottom line team where they have to turn a profit or atleast break even because of the shareholders. It sucks because they are in one of the biggest markets but act like a small market team. ownership chooses to not invest in the team to be competitive with the top spenders and it doesn't seem to care about building a winner like the Rays have with a mere fraction spent compared to the big boys they simply don't care to contend, fiddle-dee-deeeee or they hope the Bos/NYY/TB nexus has 2 teams crater in a given year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 On 12/11/2019 at 9:09 PM, Sanners said: Yep, but the sport is dying. No interest in about 70% of teams. On 12/12/2019 at 6:14 AM, Alaska Darin said: Revenue is up 69% since 2010. It's not even close to dying and cannon fodder still makes the owners money via the television deals and revenue sharing. Baseball is doing just fine financially. Yeah MLB is doing great financially. And youth baseball enrollment is experiencing record growth in the US..........millions more kids playing now than just 5 years ago. Declining enrollment in youth football is unfortunately a concern for us football fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 54 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: The Yankees spend their money, but they also make alot more then almost everyone else. The problem in Toronto is that their ownership is a corporaion and not an individual owner. They can't just spend whatever they feel like. Most teams today are making most of their revenue from big TV deals, but the Jays ownership owns the station so they can't get a huge TV deal like others. Since they are owned by a corporation, they are also a bottom line team where they have to turn a profit or atleast break even because of the shareholders. It sucks because they are in one of the biggest markets but act like a small market team. True. The Yankees don't spend anywhere near the % much of their reported revenue on payroll as they used to. Their revenues have more than tripled since 2002 and the actual payroll hasn't risen much since the early 2000's. George used to be happy with a Ralph-like $30M annual reported income............Hank's Yanks are pocketing a lot closer to a half billion annually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 4 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: True. The Yankees don't spend anywhere near the % much of their reported revenue on payroll as they used to. Their revenues have more than tripled since 2002 and the actual payroll hasn't risen much since the early 2000's. George used to be happy with a Ralph-like $30M annual reported income............Hank's Yanks are pocketing a lot closer to a half billion annually. a lot of small salaries in the NYY starting lineup, a few will be getting a nice pay raise soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 2 hours ago, row_33 said: a lot of small salaries in the NYY starting lineup, a few will be getting a nice pay raise soon Yeah but they only have $130M committed for 2021...............so Hank will be keeping his $500M annual profits and loaded roster for several years.........at which point MLB observers expect the luxury tax and draft pick attachments to be eradicated which was part of their rationale for splurging on Cole. I still don't expect Hank to raise payroll much then though.........they are making radical changes and big investments into their farm system so they can always have more good cheap young players than most. Their record streak of winning seasons will probably continue for another decade at least but whether they win any World Series who knows. The Dodgers have 7 straight division titles and zero WS titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 I assume they will not want to lose Mr Judge when the time comes Giants won it 3 times the last decade and barely anyone cares except for the team’s fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 I love that one of the first things he did when he got to NY was to get a haircut and a shave to keep that tradition going https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28326586/gerrit-cole-joins-stars-cut-their-hair-shaved-become-yankees 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Blue Jays getting Ryu at 4 years $80 million Im a little skeptical on this one, I want to like it because they are getting a Cy Young Runner up at a decent rate and he is head and shoulders better then what they have, but why did the Dodgers seem to want to sign everyone else but him this offseason? Theres not much left in the FA market and they just seemed to go after everyone else. I would still like to see the Jays make a deal to get Price from the Red Sox too to round out the rotation, then possibly get Encarnation back and they won't be fighting for the basement next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 bring all the talent to the AL East, nice that Boras will answer phone calls from the Jays again (been awhile) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 38 minutes ago, row_33 said: bring all the talent to the AL East, nice that Boras will answer phone calls from the Jays again (been awhile) I think he always would, it was AA that never answered them when he was GM. He couldn't stand him and trying to make deals with him (don't blame him) and it's why Boras always bashed the Jays when he spoke about teams not willing to spend. The guy goes from whining about collusion between owners not wanting to sign big deals last year to negotiating over $1 billion in deals this offseason. I kind of like the rumor of the Jays talking to the Red Sox about Price, add him with Ryu and the Jays can have a solid rotation this year (if they stay healthy). Jays would only make the Price deal if the Red Sox retain a big chunk of salary though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: I think he always would, it was AA that never answered them when he was GM. He couldn't stand him and trying to make deals with him (don't blame him) and it's why Boras always bashed the Jays when he spoke about teams not willing to spend. The guy goes from whining about collusion between owners not wanting to sign big deals last year to negotiating over $1 billion in deals this offseason. I kind of like the rumor of the Jays talking to the Red Sox about Price, add him with Ryu and the Jays can have a solid rotation this year (if they stay healthy). Jays would only make the Price deal if the Red Sox retain a big chunk of salary though. good to see the Jays improving in the offseason, miles to go to the top of the AL East though, would enjoy a few years in the AL Central.. Edited December 23, 2019 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 59 minutes ago, row_33 said: good to see the Jays improving in the offseason, miles to go to the top of the AL East though, would enjoy a few years in the AL Central.. Yeah, must be nice not having the Yankees/Red Sox in the same division. The league should just make a division with them (maybe add the Angels too since they want to spend like them) while the Jays, Orioles, and Rays are moved to the Central and west.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 minute ago, apuszczalowski said: Yeah, must be nice not having the Yankees/Red Sox in the same division. The league should just make a division with them (maybe add the Angels too since they want to spend like them) while the Jays, Orioles, and Rays are moved to the Central and west.... i'd support a perfectly balanced schedule for the AL no reason they cannot accommodate this with ease Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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