Dablitzkrieg Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, Socal-805 said: I have watched, hear, and read multiple times how the Bills defense gets very little pressure and almost no sacks from either D end position: Hughes and Edwards COMBINED have like 3 sacks, and the Bills have been playing a powder puff schedule. They have also been giving up large number in the rush defense area. Are you seriously mistaking Trent Murphy with Trent Edwards right now? You MUST be from California 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: If the production does not improve, he will most likely be asked to restructure or released. We know how this goes. To the OP, they are going to do anything in the season, so save it for the offseason. His $7M salary next year is guaranteed so I can’t see him restructuring that... 2021 could be a different story though.. They need 2 DE’s this offseason as they are looking thin at the position.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Yearly cash for 2019 is 14 million. That is not the salary. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 We have a ton of unused cap space this year, so we're paying him more this year to extend him at a below-market rate in future years. It's actually pretty smart. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 YEAR AGE BASE SALARY SIGNING ROSTER OPTION WORKOUT CAP HIT DEAD CAP YEARLY CASH 2019 31 $6,800,000 $3,500,000 $1,000,000 $1,500,000 $150,000 $12,950,000 $23,800,000 $14,250,000($14,250,000) Bolded is his base salary. I think we may all be confused, well, I'm not lol 33 minutes ago, Socal-805 said: I just looked at SPOTRAC for Hughes contract: $14 MIL this year? I am reading this correctly? https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/jerry-hughes-6540/ WHY are the Bills paying Jerry Hughes $14 mil this year?!? He's basically invisible that I can tell. 1. Rams defensive lineman Aaron Donald: $22.5 million 2. Cowboys defensive lineman Demarcus Lawrence: $21 million 3. Chiefs defensive lineman Frank Clark: $20.8 million 4. Lions defensive lineman Trey Flowers: $18 million 5. Saints defensive lineman Cameron Jordan: $17.5 million 6. 49ers defensive lineman Dee Ford: $17 million 7. Browns defensive lineman Olivier Vernon: $17 million 8. Eagles defensive lineman Fletcher Cox: $17 million 9. Falcons defensive lineman Grady Jarrett: $17 million 10. Texans defensive lineman J.J. Watt: $16.7 million He may be the most overpaid D lineman in the league? Did you just pick the highest number you saw instead of researching? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socal-805 Posted November 4, 2019 Author Share Posted November 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Why do the same posters keep posting the same useless ***** after a win no less freaking A. You don't HAVE to post to every thread on the board. GO away. TOTAL CASH: 2019 $6,800,000 $6,300,000 $1,000,000 $150,000 - - - $14,250,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 22 minutes ago, Mark80 said: Jerry Hughes is not a "very good" player. He's had one season of 10 sacks. A DE getting about 5 sacks per year is not a "very good" player. At least he isn't getting stupid penalties any more. I agree with OP. His contract is insane and he is invisible on the field. His only really successful years were when he also had Mario, Kyle, and Marcel (who was good at the time) taking much of the blocking. He was 4th best of those guys during those years. Did you think he was invisible on the field last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 27 minutes ago, Azucho98 said: Probably because it is money wasted that could be spent on a player that actually deserved it? Hughes is good but he does become invisible and is too inconsistent for that kind of $$. Who would you like to sign right now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, Socal-805 said: freaking A. You don't HAVE to post to every thread on the board. GO away. TOTAL CASH: 2019 $6,800,000 $6,300,000 $1,000,000 $150,000 - - - $14,250,000 Good for you for getting ratio-d to death and sticking to it. But there is a reason for the ratio. That contract was signed a couple years ago. It is not unusual for players at the end of their contracts and careers to not produce at the level they are getting paid. Its part of the bargain. Now, if youre asking why he isn't cut, that would depend on the cap hit and who we have to replace him. Both of those lend themselves to keeping him. Also, he is a huge leader and he and his wife are really tight with JA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Good for you for getting ratio-d to death and sticking to it. But there is a reason for the ratio. That contract was signed a couple years ago. It is not unusual for players at the end of their contracts and careers to not produce at the level they are getting paid. Its part of the bargain. Now, if youre asking why he isn't cut, that would depend on the cap hit and who we have to replace him. Both of those lend themselves to keeping him. Also, he is a huge leader and he and his wife are really tight with JA. Hughes got extended the last offseason.. The consensus at the time was that it was deserved.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Hughes got extended the last offseason.. The consensus at the time was that it was deserved.. Oh wow, I didn't realize that. My bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPappy Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 28 minutes ago, Mark80 said: Jerry Hughes is not a "very good" player. He's had one season of 10 sacks. A DE getting about 5 sacks per year is not a "very good" player. At least he isn't getting stupid penalties any more. I agree with OP. His contract is insane and he is invisible on the field. His only really successful years were when he also had Mario, Kyle, and Marcel (who was good at the time) taking much of the blocking. He was 4th best of those guys during those years. 27 minutes ago, Socal-805 said: I have watched, hear, and read multiple times how the Bills defense gets very little pressure and almost no sacks from either D end position: Hughes and Edwards COMBINED have like 3 sacks, and the Bills have been playing a powder puff schedule. They have also been giving up large number in the rush defense area. many of you including the OP are forgetting you all have no idea what is being asked of them on any given play. Yes, a DE's job is to create pressure and get sacks but if he is getting asked to fill a gap or seal an edge his job isn't to go full tilt towards the QB. In obvious pass plays, yes he is probably being told to do that, but unless you are right there in the coaches and player meetings none of us know for certain what his job is each play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 According to the same site, his average salary is ranked 19th in the league for his position....how is that overrated? Actually seems pretty accurate. He's the probably the only person on Bills who other coaches actually scheme for...is he putting up the numbers he has in the past? No, but I would argue he is still a disruptive player. And as others have said, the Bills have plenty of cap space, they weren't signing a top pass rusher this past offseason, and his numbers drops significantly next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BringBackOrton Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, BigPappy said: many of you including the OP are forgetting you all have no idea what is being asked of them on any given play. Yes, a DE's job is to create pressure and get sacks but if he is getting asked to fill a gap or seal an edge his job isn't to go full tilt towards the QB. In obvious pass plays, yes he is probably being told to do that, but unless you are right there in the coaches and player meetings none of us know for certain what his job is each play. I don’t think his job has changed much from last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 48 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: How does his contract impact you? Why do you give a *****? Are you just looking for something to B word and complain about? They did the same with Shady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 50 minutes ago, Socal-805 said: I just looked at SPOTRAC for Hughes contract: $14 MIL this year? I am reading this correctly? https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/jerry-hughes-6540/ WHY are the Bills paying Jerry Hughes $14 mil this year?!? He's basically invisible that I can tell. 1. Rams defensive lineman Aaron Donald: $22.5 million 2. Cowboys defensive lineman Demarcus Lawrence: $21 million 3. Chiefs defensive lineman Frank Clark: $20.8 million 4. Lions defensive lineman Trey Flowers: $18 million 5. Saints defensive lineman Cameron Jordan: $17.5 million 6. 49ers defensive lineman Dee Ford: $17 million 7. Browns defensive lineman Olivier Vernon: $17 million 8. Eagles defensive lineman Fletcher Cox: $17 million 9. Falcons defensive lineman Grady Jarrett: $17 million 10. Texans defensive lineman J.J. Watt: $16.7 million He may be the most overpaid D lineman in the league? single year cash outlay isn’t the best metric on his pay rate compared to others. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Just now, Pay_Poyer said: According to the same site, his average salary is ranked 19th in the league for his position....how is that overrated? Actually seems pretty accurate. He's the probably the only person on Bills who other coaches actually scheme for...is he putting up the numbers he has in the past? No, but I would argue he is still a disruptive player. And as others have said, the Bills have plenty of cap space, they weren't signing a top pass rusher this past offseason, and his numbers drops significantly next year. It doesn’t even matter. He was our only pass rusher. Why would we let him walk and have zero pass rushers for a few extra dollars in cap when we have $80M? This topic should be burned alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPappy Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said: I don’t think his job has changed much from last season. You may be right, but we don't know anything for sure. Maybe he is having a down year or just maybe he is being asked to do something different this year. again, we just don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 52 minutes ago, Socal-805 said: I just looked at SPOTRAC for Hughes contract: $14 MIL this year? I am reading this correctly? https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/jerry-hughes-6540/ WHY are the Bills paying Jerry Hughes $14 mil this year?!? He's basically invisible that I can tell. 1. Rams defensive lineman Aaron Donald: $22.5 million 2. Cowboys defensive lineman Demarcus Lawrence: $21 million 3. Chiefs defensive lineman Frank Clark: $20.8 million 4. Lions defensive lineman Trey Flowers: $18 million 5. Saints defensive lineman Cameron Jordan: $17.5 million 6. 49ers defensive lineman Dee Ford: $17 million 7. Browns defensive lineman Olivier Vernon: $17 million 8. Eagles defensive lineman Fletcher Cox: $17 million 9. Falcons defensive lineman Grady Jarrett: $17 million 10. Texans defensive lineman J.J. Watt: $16.7 million He may be the most overpaid D lineman in the league? Because that is the contract amount he and the Bills agreed too so he signed the contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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