McD Factoids - Records and Such

[blacklabel]

1 hour ago, ngbills said:

I think it is too early to make a judgement on McD.

 

However, I do find it interesting that people say he took a bad team that he inherited and guided them into the playoffs. He now gets to build his own team. So if he cant guide his own team that he built into the playoffs is that not a bad thing? How can we call it a success if McD gets the Bills make the playoffs. But at the same time, the last time the Bills made then playoff was with a team many say had zero talent and needed a complete rebuild? That makes no sense. 

 

I have faith he can get to the playoffs with the team he and Beane have built. I just think they're still in the building process. The 5-1 start had people's expectations skyrocketing and thinking this team was ready to seriously compete right now. They still might be, I've just always tried to temper my expectations and remember that it's still a young team, there was major turnover on offense and there are still areas that aren't where they want them to be. I think they'll get there. The path to success is never linear, it's always full of ups and downs. But overall, I do feel like they're on the right path at least. 

[boater]

27 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Huh? He’s 20-19.  Is there a stat interpretation mentor I can connect you with? 

 

20-19 regular season, plus 1 playoff loss. 

 

Like I said: 40 games into his career.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 minutes ago, boater said:

 

20-19 regular season, plus 1 playoff loss. 

 

Like I said: 40 games into his career.

 

So every loss ever has been a blowout? 

[boater]

2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

So every loss ever has been a blowout? 

I'll backpedal on the 20 blowouts.

 

I estimate 10 losses were spankings. The Bills had a string of blowouts last season alone. I consider the Eagles game a blowout.

 

I'm guessing 10 career losses were fairly close.

[SoTier]

17 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

Again, when the offense can’t score the results get lopsided. McD is a defensive coach. His offensive hires are certainly fair game for criticism, though. 

 

McDermott being a defensive coach is not an excuse for the team's poor offensive performance three years into his coaching tenure.   A head coach is responsible for all three phases of the game: defense, offense, and special teams.  Sean McVay and Matt LaFleur, both young offensive coaches, recognized that their defensive limitations upon being hired.  McVay went out and hired the venerable defensive genius Wade Phillips and LaFleur retained Mike Pettine from Mike McCarthy's staff.  The Rams D has been great, and with the addition of some serious defensive talent, the Packers D under Pettine looks ready to take on anybody.

 

McDermott's on his second generation of coaches at most of the offensive and ST coaching positions, and the improvement in performance has been modest at best.  While McDermott's choices for offensive coordinators and position coaches have been poor to mediocre, his failure to bring in an experienced QB coach for Josh Allen last season is probably his most egregious mishandling of the offense to date.   Now, to be fair, if McDermott actually wanted to bring in a QB coach last season and that was nixed by Beane or someone higher up the corporate food chain at OBD, then it's not on McDermott.  

 

It's entirely possible that part of McDermott's problems with hiring offensive coaches is simply money: that the amount of money that the Bills have budgeted for coaches is simply too small to enable the HC to bring in top assistants.  In previous regimes, especially when Russ Brandon ruled the roost, the Bills were notoriously cheap when it came to paying coaches.   Under Brandon, the Bills HCs were Jauron, Gailey, and Marrone, none of them top rate, and their assistants were nothing special.  I do believe that Perry Fewell was the only one who went on to bigger and better, winning a SB with the Giants as their DC.    Pegula obviously changed that with the hiring of Ryan and his entourage, but Ryan's failure opened the door for Brandon to assert his "money ball" tactics.  Since Beane was hired on Brandon's watch, he could very well be of the same mind as his former boss.  I don't know because I'm not privy to anything that goes on at OBD, but usually execs hire top assistants who share their business philosophies.

 

Unfortunately, whether it's his inability/disinterest in the offense or front office policies that limit his options, the poor offensive performances are going to land on McDermott sooner or later.   It's plausible that the Bills go 4-5 down the stretch, wind up 9-7, and miss the playoffs since they have to play Dallas, Baltimore, and New England plus they face two teams with strong running attacks, Cleveland and Pittsburgh.

Edited October 29, 2019 by SoTier

[Mango]

1 hour ago, blacklabel said:

 

I have faith he can get to the playoffs with the team he and Beane have built. I just think they're still in the building process. The 5-1 start had people's expectations skyrocketing and thinking this team was ready to seriously compete right now. They still might be, I've just always tried to temper my expectations and remember that it's still a young team, there was major turnover on offense and there are still areas that aren't where they want them to be. I think they'll get there. The path to success is never linear, it's always full of ups and downs. But overall, I do feel like they're on the right path at least. 

 

Not that it was your overall point, but this is false. They are the 7th oldest team in the league right now. 

2 hours ago, blacklabel said:

All of this while inheriting a team he didn't help build in 2017 yet guided to a Wild Card spot. Then Beane tore it down for 2018 and we knew it was going to be a "growing pains" year. They're still building in 2019 and have had some success. This is the most consistent this team has been in a long time in terms of coaches/front office staff, and roster turnover. I'm gonna let these guys work through it because the whole "three years and you're outta here" thing has gotta stop at some point because clearly that has never really worked for them. They're more put together than any coaching/front office staff this team has had in the last 15+ years. They make calculated decisions while always keeping an eye on the big picture and working towards becoming a consistent contender. Not just a team that sneaks into the Wild Card spot once every five years, but a team that can consistently compete. Still have a lot of young players adapting to the NFL game but despite last week's absolutely Earth-shattering, world-destroying, godawful, no good, terrible, bad news loss to the Beagles, I still have faith and am excited for the remainder of the season. 

 

Although I will say that blowout loss stat is rough. But again, that 2018 offense couldn't get out of its own way and some of those issues seem to be creeping up this season as well. I think they'll find ways to get it fixed and if not, they'll make the changes they need to. But I wouldn't expect any sort of wholesale changes from the top down until the end of next season, if any, because of course games still need to be played. 

 

This regime lives and dies by either their ability to get elite production out of Allen, or their willingness to move on from him if they don't. If we are still having the same conversations about Allen at the end of next season that we are having in the middle of this one, McB needs to be willing to pull the trigger. I am also curious how they would allocate assets. To get Allen, they cleaned out the roster. They can't afford to do that again, we don't really have much depth. They will have to be willing to gamble with draft capital without losing talent. 

 

 

Edited October 29, 2019 by Mango

[blacklabel]

9 minutes ago, Mango said:

This regime lives and dies by either their ability to get elite production out of Allen, or their willingness to move on from him if they don't. If we are still having the same conversations about Allen at the end of next season that we are having in the middle of this one, McB needs to be willing to pull the trigger. I am also curious how they would allocate assets. To get Allen, they cleaned out the roster. They can't afford to do that again, we don't really have much depth. They will have to be willing to gamble with draft capital without losing talent. 

 

And that's why I think McBeane's success and tenure here are directly tied to Allen. If he goes, they (probably) go and they (probably) start from scratch again.

[Big Gun]

1 hour ago, boater said:

I'll backpedal on the 20 blowouts.

 

I estimate 10 losses were spankings. The Bills had a string of blowouts last season alone. I consider the Eagles game a blowout.

 

I'm guessing 10 career losses were fairly close.

2017

 

Week	Day	Date				OT	Rec		Opp	Tm	Opp	1stD	TotYd	PassY	RushY	TO	1stD	TotYd	PassY	RushY	TO	Offense	Defense	Sp. Tms
1	Sun	September 10	1:00PM ET	boxscore	W		1-0		New York Jets	21	12	23	408	218	190	1	11	214	176	38	2	6.63	12.40	-10.09
2	Sun	September 17	1:00PM ET	boxscore	L		1-1	@	Carolina Panthers	3	9	10	176	107	69		19	255	178	77		-16.06	5.88	3.19
3	Sun	September 24	1:00PM ET	boxscore	W		2-1		Denver Broncos	26	16	16	272	197	75		21	366	255	111	2	-0.95	5.95	5.49
4	Sun	October 1	1:00PM ET	boxscore	W		3-1	@	Atlanta Falcons	23	17	15	281	164	117		25	389	242	147	3	0.19	0.24	3.82
5	Sun	October 8	1:00PM ET	boxscore	L		3-2	@	Cincinnati Bengals	16	20	17	221	139	82	1	18	388	323	65	3	-8.53	0.39	3.60
6									Bye Week
7	Sun	October 22	1:00PM ET	boxscore	W		4-2		Tampa Bay Buccaneers	30	27	23	434	261	173	1	27	447	378	69	3	15.51	-10.64	1.04
8	Sun	October 29	1:00PM ET	boxscore	W		5-2		Oakland Raiders	34	14	17	331	165	166		23	367	313	54	4	4.35	4.30	7.44
9	Thu	November 2	8:25PM ET	boxscore	L		5-3	@	New York Jets	21	34	21	307	244	63	3	21	331	137	194		-6.85	-10.47	2.75
10	Sun	November 12	1:00PM ET	boxscore	L		5-4		New Orleans Saints	10	47	10	198	129	69	1	32	482	184	298	1	-13.18	-27.89	3.74
11	Sun	November 19	4:05PM ET	boxscore	L		5-5	@	Los Angeles Chargers	24	54	18	393	220	173	6	28	429	283	146		-14.25	-18.37	2.88
12	Sun	November 26	1:00PM ET	boxscore	W		6-5	@	Kansas City Chiefs	16	10	17	268	164	104		14	236	181	55	1	-5.84	15.27	-0.26
13	Sun	December 3	1:00PM ET	boxscore	L		6-6		New England Patriots	3	23	16	268	85	183	1	23	435	244	191	1	-14.27	-10.85	2.35
14	Sun	December 10	1:00PM ET	boxscore	W	OT	7-6		Indianapolis Colts	13	7	14	319	92	227	2	16	227	64	163		-10.32	9.14	8.25
15	Sun	December 17	1:00PM ET	boxscore	W		8-6		Miami Dolphins	24	16	21	328	212	116		21	349	249	100	3	7.23	7.99	-5.67
16	Sun	December 24	1:00PM ET	boxscore	L		8-7	@	New England Patriots	16	37	17	326	242	84		28	411	218	193	1	-2.94	-21.06	0.79
17	Sun	December 31	4:25PM ET	boxscore	W		9-7	@	Miami Dolphins	22	16	23	312	186	126		21	356	263	93	1	10.73	1.12	-5.71
		Playoffs
Wild Card	Sun	January 7	1:05PM ET	boxscore	L		9-8	@	Jacksonville Jaguars	3	10	20	263	133	130	2	15	230	75	155		-12.27	6.56	-5.13

 

2018

Week	Day	Date				OT	Rec		Opp	Tm	Opp	1stD	TotYd	PassY	RushY	TO	1stD	TotYd	PassY	RushY	TO	Offense	Defense	Sp. Tms
1	Sun	September 9	1:00PM ET	boxscore	L		0-1	@	Baltimore Ravens	3	47	10	153	70	83	2	26	369	252	117	1	-28.71	-7.23	-2.33
2	Sun	September 16	1:00PM ET	boxscore	L		0-2		Los Angeles Chargers	20	31	17	293	209	84	2	21	349	240	109		-1.04	-14.41	-0.51
3	Sun	September 23	1:00PM ET	boxscore	W		1-2	@	Minnesota Vikings	27	6	16	292	164	128		21	292	278	14	3	3.26	10.71	3.62
4	Sun	September 30	1:00PM ET	boxscore	L		1-3	@	Green Bay Packers	0	22	11	145	87	58	3	22	423	282	141	2	-20.53	-2.71	7.70
5	Sun	October 7	1:00PM ET	boxscore	W		2-3		Tennessee Titans	13	12	18	223	79	144	1	15	221	121	100	3	-2.83	12.22	-8.39
6	Sun	October 14	1:00PM ET	boxscore	L		2-4	@	Houston Texans	13	20	12	229	129	100	3	15	216	142	74	3	-17.49	12.36	-6.15
7	Sun	October 21	1:00PM ET	boxscore	L		2-5	@	Indianapolis Colts	5	37	15	303	168	135	5	22	376	156	220		-22.35	-22.28	7.56
8	Mon	October 29	8:15PM ET	boxscore	L		2-6		New England Patriots	6	25	16	333	287	46	2	22	387	311	76		-20.65	-3.65	6.52
9	Sun	November 4	1:00PM ET	boxscore	L		2-7		Chicago Bears	9	41	22	264	166	98	4	11	190	126	64	1	-29.93	2.58	-2.21
10	Sun	November 11	1:00PM ET	boxscore	W		3-7	@	New York Jets	41	10	23	451	239	212		12	199	116	83	2	16.35	15.96	5.86
11									Bye Week
12	Sun	November 25	1:00PM ET	boxscore	W		4-7		Jacksonville Jaguars	24	21	18	327	160	167		25	333	107	226	2	7.07	0.38	-2.11
13	Sun	December 2	1:00PM ET	boxscore	L		4-8	@	Miami Dolphins	17	21	24	415	217	198	3	15	175	115	60	1	10.93	-0.01	-9.78
14	Sun	December 9	1:00PM ET	boxscore	L		4-9		New York Jets	23	27	24	368	192	176	3	15	248	170	78	2	6.81	-4.74	-5.69
15	Sun	December 16	1:00PM ET	boxscore	W		5-9		Detroit Lions	14	13	20	312	195	117		14	313	208	105		6.53	-4.83	-0.58
16	Sun	December 23	1:00PM ET	boxscore	L		5-10	@	New England Patriots	12	24	14	289	217	72	3	20	390	117	273	3	-16.90	6.39	-2.11
17	Sun	December 30	1:00PM ET	boxscore	W		6-10		Miami Dolphins	42	17	23	381	215	166	1	17	225	126	99	4	13.10	16.21	-4.96

[Mango]

Just now, blacklabel said:

 

And that's why I think McBeane's success and tenure here are directly tied to Allen. If he goes, they (probably) go and they (probably) start from scratch again.

 

I don't think they need to be gone. They just need to admit the mistake and be prepared to move on. This city largely loves this FO. If they can be prepared next year to pull Allen, and still win 10+ games (Dalton?) on a tough schedule, they could and should stay. 

 

Myself, I am sick of the turnover, I have been critical of some the FO moves (and still am), but this FO is good enough to put together a good football team if they can nail the QB position. 

If Allen shows continued growth, and proves to be a top 12ish QB in year 3, then none of this matters. 

[Seven-N-Nine]

20 hours ago, ngbills said:

Overall W/L Record = 20 - 19

Overall Scoring Differential = -150

 

Record vs Losing Record Teams = 16 - 6

Scoring differential vs losing Record Teams = 93

Record vs Winning Record Teams = 4 - 13 (wins vs 8-7-1 2018 MIN; 9-7 2018 TEN; 10-6 2017 ATL; 10-6 2017 KC)

Scoring differential vs Winning Record Teams = -243

 

WINS by 10+ = 5

WINS by 20+ = 3

LOSSES by 10+ = 13

LOSSES by 20+ = 7

 

Record when OPP scores 20 or more = 3 - 17

AVG Score vs Winning Record Teams = Bills 12 vs OPP 27

AVG Score vs Losing Record Teams = Bills 22 vs OPP 18

 

Combined Teams Winning % of Wins = .371

Combined Teams Winning % of Losses = .610

 

Last but not least...

Challenges = 1 for 12 (Ouch

He's just not a good head coach. He's out-coached and blown out far too often.

[Bangarang]

1 minute ago, Seven-N-Nine said:

He's just not a good head coach. He's out-coached and blown out far too often.

I actually think he’s a good coach minus the fact his offenses tend to suck.

[Seven-N-Nine]

1 minute ago, Bangarang said:

I actually think he’s a good coach minus the fact his offenses tend to suck.

That's his fault, he's the one hiring the offensive coaches. 

[Bangarang]

1 minute ago, Seven-N-Nine said:

That's his fault, he's the one hiring the offensive coaches. 

He might end up going down as a really good DC but a mediocre HC.

[IDBillzFan]

20 hours ago, boater said:

He's coached 40 games in his career. 20 were blowout losses. The dude needs a mentor.

 

You think losing by 10 or 11 is a blowout? 

 

Man, some of you people work really hard at being miserable. 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Mango said:

 

I don't think they need to be gone. They just need to admit the mistake and be prepared to move on. This city largely loves this FO. If they can be prepared next year to pull Allen, and still win 10+ games (Dalton?) on a tough schedule, they could and should stay. 

 

Myself, I am sick of the turnover, I have been critical of some the FO moves (and still am), but this FO is good enough to put together a good football team if they can nail the QB position. 

If Allen shows continued growth, and proves to be a top 12ish QB in year 3, then none of this matters. 

 

Make this right. 

[Bangarang]

1 hour ago, Mango said:

 

I don't think they need to be gone. They just need to admit the mistake and be prepared to move on. This city largely loves this FO. If they can be prepared next year to pull Allen, and still win 10+ games (Dalton?) on a tough schedule, they could and should stay. 

 

Myself, I am sick of the turnover, I have been critical of some the FO moves (and still am), but this FO is good enough to put together a good football team if they can nail the QB position. 

If Allen shows continued growth, and proves to be a top 12ish QB in year 3, then none of this matters. 

Lots of ifs here but you’re right. If Allen ends up being a top 10 QB then BB and McD will be here for as long as they want. Front offices usually don’t get multiple chances at picking a franchise QB so if next year goes poorly then the process may be over.

[Mango]

1 minute ago, Bangarang said:

Lots of ifs here but you’re right. If Allen ends up being a top 10 QB then BB and McD will be here for as long as they want. Front offices usually don’t get multiple chances at picking a franchise QB so if next year goes poorly then the process may be over.

 

Just looking at next years schedule, assuming the team (offense in particular) is about the same as they are this year, I don't see them winning more than 9 games. Not including the divisional games, and if the season ended today, it is Texans, Steelers, Chiefs, Raiders, Chargers, Broncos, Rams, Seahawks, 49ers, Cardinals.

 

Staying the course on 3000 yards passing, 1:1 TD/INT ratio, and hovering around .500 in year 4, won't keep you around very long either. 

 

[Bangarang]

1 minute ago, Mango said:

 

Just looking at next years schedule, assuming the team (offense in particular) is about the same as they are this year, I don't see them winning more than 9 games. Not including the divisional games, and if the season ended today, it is Texans, Steelers, Chiefs, Raiders, Chargers, Broncos, Rams, Seahawks, 49ers, Cardinals.

 

Staying the course on 3000 yards passing, 1:1 TD/INT ratio, and hovering around .500 in year 4, won't keep you around very long either. 

 

It will be interesting to see what McD does with Daboll at the end of the year. He wasn’t happy with our offense when he fired Denison but it’s not much better with Daboll in his 2nd year. 

 

[GoBills808]

20 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

Just looking at next years schedule, assuming the team (offense in particular) is about the same as they are this year, I don't see them winning more than 9 games. Not including the divisional games, and if the season ended today, it is Texans, Steelers, Chiefs, Raiders, Chargers, Broncos, Rams, Seahawks, 49ers, Cardinals.

 

Staying the course on 3000 yards passing, 1:1 TD/INT ratio, and hovering around .500 in year 4, won't keep you around very long either. 

 

Year 4? 

[Bangarang]

2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Daboll doesn't have much to work with to be fair. Allens still a bottom tier QB, their WRs are below average outside of Brown, Singletary is a good complimentary back but not a feature back, IMO. The offense has been chasing its tail since McDermott got here.

Daboll has been a bad OC everywhere he’s been in the NFL. He might get another year just for the sake of Allen’s continuity but Im sure he’ll be on a short leash.