YoloinOhio Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Just now, Buffalo86 said: Me neither. I'm just saying it wouldn't be the slightest bit surprising if he is guilty. Right 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, MDH said: Yeah, I dislike AB but everybody deserves to have to facts looked at before it impacts their livelihood. There is plenty of time for an investigation and still suspend him this year if the facts warrant it. If this story impacts his availability on game day I say vive le justice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 (edited) think of the position with Kraft and Goddell..since deflategate punishment 1) Nothing for Kraft and the Massage stuff 2) Gordon gets a pretty quick reinstatement 3) Nothing on Chung 4) now this if he does nothing, people start to think he making up for a wrong decision in deflategate? BTW, still nothing, NADA, from the league Edited September 11, 2019 by plenzmd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 https://www.yahoo.com/sports/antonio-brown-patriots-rape-accusation-nfl-043308169.html Pats caught by surprise. Awwwe. Lmao. SUCKERS!!!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 10 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: That's understandable because you have a unique personal perspective, but I'd love to go back to a time when the accused were presumed innocent until proven guilty. That's kind of the American way; or it's supposed to be. If you separate the way you feel about AB from the details here, you just might find yourself on the skeptical side. We'll see what happens. What time was that? Unfortunately, that's never been the case as far as I can think. It would be great if Brown were presumed innocent until proven guilty and also if the victim wasn't tried and slandered in the media, but neither of these things will happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 7 hours ago, Virgil said: Does the NFL ever do things about Civil suits? Seems like it’ll be a non-issue It does not, normally. However, it has loudly touted a "zero tolerance" policy towards domestic violence and sexual assault. Big Ben Roethlisberger was suspended for 4 games (reduced from 6) in part because of a civil lawsuit filed by a Harrah's hotel employee, and in part because of a rape accusation (no criminal case was ever filed). It was said at the time (quick search doesn't find good link) that it was the civil lawsuit followed by the rape accusation that caused Goodell to act. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said: man, usually like GMFB on NFL network..no mention of AB stuff yet..wow I like GMFB as much as the next guy - but ultimately they are primarily a PR outlet for the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Just now, stevewin said: I like GMFB as much as the next guy - but ultimately they are primarily a PR outlet for the league agreed, but i was shocked they did not even acknowledge it ..combine that with no statement from the league at all yet..it does make ypu wonder think this article gives a little glimpse of each side at the moment, obviously much may change https://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2019/09/11/patriots-antonio-brown-rape-allegations-lawsuit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: Where’s the outcry and protest lines from the Me Too movement in liberal New England? Or doesn’t it count when it’s a Patriot player? One of the things I am actually hopeful for is Me Too marches/demonstrations outside their stadium at all home games - covered by the media. At a minimum have it create some embarrassment and negative public opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 25 minutes ago, MDH said: Yeah, I dislike AB but everybody deserves to have to facts looked at before it impacts their livelihood. There is plenty of time for an investigation and still suspend him this year if the facts warrant it. I actually agree with this. However, with other players since 2014, Goodell has made use of the Commissioner's Exempt List, which is an attempt to have it both ways - show that the league is tough and cares about stuff while not impacting their livelihood (exempt list players still get paid). I do not like the Exempt List, but it exists and is being used, so I think it should be used consistently It is being used for lesser players whose careers need the games more - for example, Buffalo's Tyrell Dodson is on the Commissioner's Exempt List. Now to be fair, he was arrested and arraigned on 3 misdemeanor charges, but it sounds relatively lightweight, and the point is - he's on the list WHILE the league investigates and WHILE the legal process takes place, they did not wait to complete an investigation or wait for the legal process to complete. Again, if the league is gonna use this list, they should use it consistently, which does NOT involve waiting for an investigation to complete or for the legal process to complete. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 24 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: If this story impacts his availability on game day I say vive le justice! Not like the need him Sunday. After all they are playing the HS team that is the Mia Dolphins 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I don’t think Big Ben’s accuser(s) filed criminal charges either. Civil suits will get you the wrath of the nfl too. One accuser filed a civil lawsuit. The other did not file criminal charges and Big Ben was not charged. 6 games reduced to 4. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 5 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: When’s the last time you heard or read a white athlete, or any white guy, called a thug? What about that guy that dove into the back of Josh Allen’s knees the other day? Did you hear or see anyone call him a “thug?” Do get lost. Yeah, I called that guy a thug too, cuz he is one. Take your SJW crusade elsewhere, not everything is racist. thug /THəɡ/ Learn to pronounce noun 1. a violent person, especially a criminal. "he was attacked by a gang of thugs" synonyms: ruffian, hoodlum, bully boy, bully, bandit, mugger, gangster, terrorist, gunman, murderer, killer, hitman, assassin, hooligan, vandal, Yardie; More Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keukasmallies Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 AB should have some interesting conversations with Robert Kraft given the "birds of a feather" thing now in play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I actually agree with this. However, with other players since 2014, Goodell has made use of the Commissioner's Exempt List, which is an attempt to have it both ways - show that the league is tough and cares about stuff while not impacting their livelihood (exempt list players still get paid). I do not like the Exempt List, but it exists and is being used, so I think it should be used consistently It is being used for lesser players whose careers need the games more - for example, Buffalo's Tyrell Dodson is on the Commissioner's Exempt List. Now to be fair, he was arrested and arraigned on 3 misdemeanor charges, but it sounds relatively lightweight, and the point is - he's on the list WHILE the league investigates and WHILE the legal process takes place, they did not wait to complete an investigation or wait for the legal process to complete. Again, if the league is gonna use this list, they should use it consistently, which does NOT involve waiting for an investigation to complete or for the legal process to complete. i think the exempt list is a good idea for the NFL.Gives them time to do their own investigation and protect the Shield a bit..before it they are in a dmaned if ya do, damned if dont situation, this gives them some time to try and get the facts as best they can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 33 minutes ago, Buffalo86 said: This seems pretty believable, if only because it follows the same exact pattern as Brown's actions with the Raiders: Act like an ***hole Issue a (supposedly) heartfelt apology Act like an even bigger ***hole Add in the fact that Brown is a complete douchebag who doesn't think the rules apply to him, and it's really hard to give him the benefit of the doubt. I'm quite willing to give Brown the benefit of the doubt. I would also like to give the benefit of the doubt to his accuser and find it odd that some of the people speaking loudest about benefit of the doubt for Brown are also speaking loudest attacking his accuser. The thing is, in the case of other players accused of DV and sexual assault, the Commissioner's Exempt List has been used while the "benefit of the doubt" and the legal process (if there was one) or league investigation took place. If you're gonna use it, use it. If you're not gonna use it consistently, lose it #freetyrel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Keukasmallies said: AB should have some interesting conversations with Robert Kraft given the "birds of a feather" thing now in play. paying for handy is a whole nother world from sexual assault and rape Edited September 11, 2019 by plenzmd1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 59 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: They will investigate and determine whether to put him on the exempt list first. The accuser said she intends to cooperate with the NFL, which is typically the biggest hurdle because they aren’t allowed to subpoena her. If it looks serious the NFL and the Pats will attempt to reach a settlement with the accuser to make it all fade away. Rumor always was that during our SB years something similar was done involving allegations against a couple of Bills players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Just now, RochesterRob said: If it looks serious the NFL and the Pats will attempt to reach a settlement with the accuser to make it all fade away. Rumor always was that during our SB years something similar was done involving allegations against a couple of Bills players. not a prayer of that happening on the NFL side. AB can make the whole thing go away with a financial settlement, no doubt. But NFL aint gunna be a part of that ..take that to the bank 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keukasmallies Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Just now, plenzmd1 said: paying for handy is a whole nother world from sexual assault and rape Yet the attitudes toward women are under the same tent so to speak. It's a continuum of sleaze, you can decide on placement for yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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