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7 minutes ago, FiftyPercent said:

 

Hmm, I have no idea if coaches would use percentage to assign blame, that doesn't sound right to me.  I would think a coach would tell the receiver you have to make that catch, as well as tell the QB you need to place the ball more accurately to increase chance of success. IMO, the majority of the blame on that play goes to the WR.  However, the overall chance of success of the play increases if the ball is better placed.

 

If QB-X places the ball in stride 8 times out of 10 on that play vs. QB-Y placing it in stride 6 out of 10 times, over the course of a game/season/career, QB-X has the better odds of being more successful in the NFL. 

Dude I understand how football works. The more often you do good things, the more often good things happen haha. Youre not explaining a difficult concept. I was asking a specific question that you still dance around. I didnt ask "Do you think coaches use percentages?" I actually dont think they do. I was asking for your percentage assignment  and since you refused to answer the first time I brought up the coaching analogy You said majority, is it 51% or 75%?

 

Btw, if youre curious, if a kicker kicks the ball straight 9/10 times he has a better chance at making kicks than a kicker than only kicks it straight 6/10 times.

 

 

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1 hour ago, FiftyPercent said:

 

I mean, it's probability.  The more well placed balls, the better odds the ball is caught.

 

But that ball should have nearly a 100% catch rate.

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Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

But that ball should have nearly a 100% catch rate.

But that 1% of the time it's not is 100% because it was a bad throw. 

 

At least in his mind that's how percentages work. 

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Allen looked poised in the pocket, but his accuracy was still suspect. At least a couple uncatchable passes to guys who were open. 

 

The defense looks amazing the offense should be better. If Allen doesn't crap the bed we should make the playoffs as a wildcard I think. 

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5 hours ago, skibum said:

I feel like the preseason games don't mean as much as they should as far as roster decisions go. How many times have we seen a guy like Brandon Reilly pile up numbers in the second half of these games, only to get cut anyway? I feel like that's what's probably going to happen with McKenzie and Wade. Shining in the second half of a preseason game doesn't seem to get you anywhere, because if the coaching staff thought you were better, they would have played you earlier in the game. 

I agree.

 

That said, I agree with a bunch of what @GunnerBill said. 

 

As far as Allen goes, how many times have I seen a big armed QB come out in the first few series of a game and make errant throws, mostly overthrows. Allen did fine and if Zay Jones makes that catch Allen's percentage and overall look goes up. 

 

If the team had a backup center on the roster better then Bodine,I suspect he would have been cut after the game with that snap over Barkley's head. Saying that I also think TJ Yeldon will be gone after the first cuts. Turnovers are a game killer. 

 

My biggest takeaway was the Bills defense looking so good and even with the backups. We watched Ed Oliver destroy Bodine in camp but we never thought he would do as well against Quinton Nelson.

 

A lot to like from that first pre season game for Bills fans. 

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3 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Sideways but yet his front leg is still in front....

Ball placed in the direct center of his body.  

 

zay.JPG

 

 

No Way you can blame that on Zay. You'd have to be a contortionist to make that catch. I mean that has to be an inch or maybe 2 off perfect.

5 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

But that 1% of the time it's not is 100% because it was a bad throw. 

 

At least in his mind that's how percentages work. 

 

 

5 outta 4 people are bad at math

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Good night:  Bills fans 

 

Bad night: The 2 or 3 trolls in this thread.

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3 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

No Way you can blame that on Zay. You'd have to be a contortionist to make that catch. I mean that has to be an inch or maybe 2 off perfect.

 

 

what? am i missing sarcasm?

 

 

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2 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

 

No Way you can blame that on Zay. You'd have to be a contortionist to make that catch. I mean that has to be an inch or maybe 2 off perfect.

 

 

The funniest thing about this pic is Cuddy was legitimately arguing that the pass caused Zay to open up his hip because it was off target.

Where is that hip open?  In that still photo, how in the world is the hip open?

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2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

what? am i missing sarcasm?

 

 

 

 

yes you are missing the sarcasm... I should add [/sarcasm] tags.. 1 or 2 inches from perfect in the NFL is still perfect 

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1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

The funniest thing about this pic is Cuddy was legitimately arguing that the pass caused Zay to open up his hip because it was off target.

Where is that hip open?  In that still photo, how in the world is the hip open?

BECAUSE HE STACKED THE CORNER!!! WHAT ARE YOU NOT SEEING?!?!?!

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2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

what? am i missing sarcasm?

 

 

 

If you have to ask ...

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6 hours ago, Max Fischer said:

Singletary looked very good in his first pre-season game and at this point I don’t think we could expect much more. 

He had 6 catches his entire final season in college. He had 3 last night.

 

Catches the ball better than many thought he would. Good in space and just fast enough. As mentioned, won't beat you to the edge but definitely a chain mover.

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1 hour ago, thebandit27 said:

The team didn't score with him in the game because Zay Jones dropped an easy-money TD and the kicker hit the upright on the ensuing attempt.

 

More brilliance.  I guess Josh has to catch his passes as well as kick FG's. 

 

Jones makes what should have been an easy reception and Josh finishes 7-11 (63.6%) for 84 yards (7.6 YPA) and a TD. 

 

24 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

The funniest thing about this pic is Cuddy was legitimately arguing that the pass caused Zay to open up his hip because it was off target.

Where is that hip open?  In that still photo, how in the world is the hip open?

 

He opened his hips up after he bungled the catch and started flailing for the ball. 

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1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

More brilliance.  I guess Josh has to catch his passes as well as kick FG's. 

 

Jones makes what should have been an easy reception and Josh finishes 7-11 (63.6%) for 84 yards (7.6 YPA) and a TD. 

 

 

For the record, this post was directed to a poster that legitimately hadn't watched the game and was genuinely asking a question.

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What happened to the 

 

lets not get overexcited about preseason football 🏈 ???

 

 

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5 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

What happened to the 

 

lets not get overexcited about preseason football 🏈 ???

 

 

 

Passe. We must now pick every nit.

 

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6 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

For the record, this post was directed to a poster that legitimately hadn't watched the game and was genuinely asking a question.

 

Dang it, I knew it might have been taken the wrong way.  I was also directing it at that poster and agreeing with you.

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18 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

More brilliance.  I guess Josh has to catch his passes as well as kick FG's. 

 

Jones makes what should have been an easy reception and Josh finishes 7-11 (63.6%) for 84 yards (7.6 YPA) and a TD. 

 

 

He opened his hips up after he bungled the catch and started flailing for the ball. 

 

Yes...after the drop.  Cuddy was stating that the throw was the reason he had to open his hips up.  As you can see in the still photo at first contact with the ball,  if he doesn't bobble it...hip would never have to open up.

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18 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

What happened to the 

 

lets not get overexcited about preseason football 🏈 ???

 

 

 

There's always a few who over think preseason.. 1st preseason game no real game plan and a few series is not enough to get into a rhythm or dust off some rust for a QB....  or an Offense...... Way too many nuances/continuity to continue to work out for a 2nd year O

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Zay should have caught that ball and Josh should have hit him with a cleaner pass on the curl route the drive before. I give Zay a break because the sun was suddenly right in his eyes when he made his cut. 

 

That's 2 more completions (probably more because the curl route would have extended a drive) and possibly a TD. 

 

Plays are right there to be made, which is encouraging to me. They aren't way off. 

 

Still, I am worried about Allen. I am hopeful, I am encouraged, but I still am not sold at all. 

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5 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Allen is never going to be a top completion % guy, IMO. He just isn't the most accurate QB and likes to take his low % shots down the field, but will make up for the misses with the big plays he hits down the field and his athletic ability, IMO. He really is a unique QB. 

This^

 

He is going to be more Donovan McNabb than Tom Brady.

 

He just needs to take the check-downs a bit more and actually start connecting on these deep balls that he loves to toss.

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I didn’t get to watch the game but I kept up on the updates. 

 

I was excited and happy the team played well enough to win. 

 

 

Who gameplays 17 passing plays for Josh out of the gate?

 

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1 hour ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Well you can't compare fairly completion percentages from the 80's to today's NFL though.

You can compare completion percentages relative to their peers, however. 

 

That’s really not the point though. For whatever reason,  60% has become some sort of barometer and it’s completely arbitrary.

 

Additionally, Allen throws the most low percentage passes in the league. And for good reason; because he can and teams have to respect that. 

1 hour ago, Joe Miner said:

Good night:  Bills fans 

 

Bad night: The 2 or 3 trolls in this thread.

Outstanding!

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