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As training camp approaches I was thinking about personnel and how the 4 main picks from the 2017 draft could play a crucial part in this team’s success.   If Jones takes it to another level and Dawkins and Milano continue to progress, I have to give McDermott a lot a credit for his first draft while strapped with a lame duck GM. 

 

I can understand if many see whiffing on Mahommes as unforgivable, but that aside, the HC may have done really well for his 1st draft and makes me optimistic that he gets it.

 

We don’t know yet if it is a great draft but given the previous regimes track record it’s lookin pretty good. 

 

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Milano is the only good pick. We traded the pick that was Mahomes, but at least we got a QB in the 5th!

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5 minutes ago, Chemical said:

Milano is the only good pick. We traded the pick that was Mahomes, but at least we got a QB in the 5th!

Tre’Davious White and Dion Dawkins weren’t good picks? Zay seems to be panning out also. A lot better than Chris Hairston, James Hardy, Kelvin Shepherd, and Danny Batten. 

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Just now, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said:

Tre’Davious White and Dion Dawkins weren’t good picks? Zay seems to be panning out also. A lot better than Chris Hairston, James Hardy, Kelvin Shepherd, and Danny Batten. 

 

Not when he could've been Watson or Mahomes. It's not asking too much either, they went out of their way to screw it up. We needed a QB, take a QB, then take another one and another until you have a good one, then take another one that might be better.

 

Zay Jones get a pass from fans for some reason I'll never understand. OBJ makes an arrogant comment in an interview and everyone here hates him. Meanwhile, Zay Jones is on video trying to jump through a window naked and everyone loves him.

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2 minutes ago, Chemical said:

 

 

Not when he could've been Watson or Mahomes. It's not asking too much either, they went out of their way to screw it up. We needed a QB, take a QB, then take another one and another until you have a good one, then take another one that might be better.

 

Zay Jones get a pass from fans for some reason I'll never understand. OBJ makes an arrogant comment in an interview and everyone here hates him. Meanwhile, Zay Jones is on video trying to jump through a window naked and everyone loves him.

For the love of God, get over the whole Watson and Mahomes thing. We have no idea how Josh Allen is gonna turn up. We still made excellent picks in Tre'Davious and Dion Dawkins as well. The jury is still out on Zay. I believe this is his make or break season. He did have a decent 2nd season though catching 7TDs but yes, the 2017 draft is looking good

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6 minutes ago, Chemical said:

Not when he could've been Watson or Mahomes. It's not asking too much either, they went out of their way to screw it up. We needed a QB, take a QB, then take another one and another until you have a good one, then take another one that might be better.

 

Zay Jones get a pass from fans for some reason I'll never understand. OBJ makes an arrogant comment in an interview and everyone here hates him. Meanwhile, Zay Jones is on video trying to jump through a window naked and everyone loves him.

 

Yeah, everyone loves Jones. :rolleyes:

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7 minutes ago, Chemical said:

 

 

Not when he could've been Watson or Mahomes. It's not asking too much either, they went out of their way to screw it up. We needed a QB, take a QB, then take another one and another until you have a good one, then take another one that might be better.

 

Zay Jones get a pass from fans for some reason I'll never understand. OBJ makes an arrogant comment in an interview and everyone here hates him. Meanwhile, Zay Jones is on video trying to jump through a window naked and everyone loves him.

 

To say everyone here loves Zay is a huge leap.  He is our guy and will get the benefit of doubt.   He will be under the microscope this TC and season (if he makes the team).

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7 hours ago, Chemical said:

 

 

Not when he could've been Watson or Mahomes. It's not asking too much either, they went out of their way to screw it up. We needed a QB, take a QB, then take another one and another until you have a good one, then take another one that might be better.

 

Zay Jones get a pass from fans for some reason I'll never understand. OBJ makes an arrogant comment in an interview and everyone here hates him. Meanwhile, Zay Jones is on video trying to jump through a window naked and everyone loves him.

Revisionist history is fun, I wanna play. What if we traded that pick to Houston instead of Kansas City 😮 we could have had 4th overall in the 2018 draft!

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18 minutes ago, Chemical said:

 

 

Not when he could've been Watson or Mahomes. It's not asking too much either, they went out of their way to screw it up. We needed a QB, take a QB, then take another one and another until you have a good one, then take another one that might be better.

 

Zay Jones get a pass from fans for some reason I'll never understand. OBJ makes an arrogant comment in an interview and everyone here hates him. Meanwhile, Zay Jones is on video trying to jump through a window naked and everyone loves him.

 

OBJ has been hated in Buffalo since his game here in 2015..it's not one comment.  

Everyone loves Zay Jones huh?  

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1 minute ago, Bills2ref said:

Revisionist history is fun, I wanna play. What if we traded that that pick to Houston instead of Kansas City 😮 we could have had 4th overall in the 2018 draft!

 

Hindsight is great.  All these people saying "we should have taken Mahomes or Watson" never said a word about them before the draft.

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Just now, Bills2ref said:

Revisionist history is fun, I wanna play. What if we traded that that pick to Houston instead of Kansas City 😮 we could have had 4th overall in the 2018 draft!

 

That's not what those words mean (revisionist history)

 

The consensus I'm getting here is you're all allowed to say it's a really good draft because of the guys we got, but I'm not allowed to say it might not be good because of the guys we didn't get?

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

Hindsight is great.  All these people saying "we should have taken Mahomes or Watson" never said a word about them before the draft.

 

I wanted watson, and it wouldn't matter what I thought, it was a mistake to pass on either.

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5 minutes ago, Chemical said:

I wanted watson, and it wouldn't matter what I thought, it was a mistake to pass on either.

 

Well we have Allen now.

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Just now, Doc said:

 

Well we have Allen now.

 

This thread is about the 2017 draft

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2 minutes ago, Chemical said:

This thread is about the 2017 draft

 

Yes.  And we didn't take Mahomes or Watson. 

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Just now, Doc said:

 

Yes.  And we didn't take Mahomes or Watson. 

 We took Nathan Peterman. Our opening day starter less than one year ago. 

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5 minutes ago, Chemical said:

 We took Nathan Peterman. Our opening day starter less than one year ago. 

 

He's no longer the starter.  Or even on the team.

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Be honest with yourselves and think back to the day before the 2017 draft. Tyrod clearly wasn't the future. We need a QB. Imagine what you thought the possibilities were.

 

That draft could not have gone worse for the Buffalo Bills in your wildest nightmares.

 

Watson 103 rating 68% completions 2 years in a row

Mahomes is Michael Jordan

Nathan Peterman...

 

 

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17 minutes ago, Chemical said:

 

That's not what those words mean (revisionist history)

 

 

 

You, good sir, have made me go 🤯. I shall see myself out 😂😂

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1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

He's no longer the starter.  Or even on the team.

 

Well we are discussing the 2017 draft. Stop making me repeat myself Doctor

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55 minutes ago, Chemical said:

 

 

Not when he could've been Watson or Mahomes. It's not asking too much either, they went out of their way to screw it up. We needed a QB, take a QB, then take another one and another until you have a good one, then take another one that might be better.

 

Zay Jones get a pass from fans for some reason I'll never understand. OBJ makes an arrogant comment in an interview and everyone here hates him. Meanwhile, Zay Jones is on video trying to jump through a window naked and everyone loves him.

 

This kind of take drives me crazy...nothing you said here was really accurate at the time.  

  1. Our offense in the 15 games under Tyrod (they sat him the last game of the season) was 3rd in the NFL in Touchdowns scored behind only Saints and Atlanta (and only a few behind them) and 5th in the NFL in scoring.  We had the #1 rushing attack in the NFL too.
  2. Our defense however was a mirage at being mediocre because Brady had been suspended, Gronk was hurt, Jimmy G was hurt, and so was the rookie QB who started week 4 and we shut them out.  Because of that shutout, we were like 18th or something the league in points allowed.  However, in the other 15 games that weren't such a disastrous anomaly for the opponent, we were 26th in the NFL in points allowed.  Plus, had Brady played week 4, they likely put up over 30 points on us like he did a few weeks later and that would have dropped us to 28th.  

McD had just gotten here and came from a team with a dual threat QB.  He had not yet worked Tyrod yet, who had only 3 seasons as a starter still yet had 3 different OC's in that span.  However, despite that, it was the 2nd highest scoring stretch in Buffalo Bills history, and second only to the first 3 SB years.  He was also a 2 time Pro Bowler at that point too.

 

It was NOT a lock we needed a QB, however, our defense was one of the worst in the NFL while our offense was scoring well.  In fact, McD managed to take that team and break our playoff streak of 17 years and get that monkey off this franchises back by simply improving the defense.  And going into the draft, Mahomes was HIGHLY debated as if he was even a first round graded prospect.  Watson wasn't a slam dunk either, so its not like they passed on prospects as touted as a Luck or Manning were.  

 

Almost no one here wanted Mahomes, but people LOVE talking from the future while ignoring the reality of what was going on at the time things happened.  

 

And quite frankly, if Allen pans out (and its looking good so far), this would have been a tremendous path he took.  That draft in 2017 is looking very strong for us moving forward as Tre is already a top CB in this league, Milano was on his way to being a very good LB before he got hurt last year, Dawkins was pretty good when he wasn't playing with TERRIBLE lineman around him, and that draft would be even better draft if Zay takes a step forward this year.

 

If Allen pans out, I would rather have Allen, Tre, Dawkins, Milano, Zay, Edmunds to go with new guys like Ford and Oliver this year.  Mahomes was added to an already very good roster.  McD and Beane have had to rebuild an entire organization, cap situation, and roster and in that first season with McD and Whaley, he had not yet known what he had here he could work with and what needed to go.  

 

BOTTOM LINE:  There is MORE than ONE way to build a contender...you have NO evidence that the path we have taken is wrong or not going to work, and right now, the momentum is upward and things look quite promising.  So get over Mahomes and Watson, things STILL worked out pretty well for us in that draft and things are pretty exciting right now.

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1 minute ago, Chemical said:

Be honest with yourselves and think back to the day before the 2017 draft. Tyrod clearly wasn't the future. We need a QB. Imagine what you thought the possibilities were.

 

That draft could not have gone worse for the Buffalo Bills in your wildest nightmares.

 

Watson 103 rating 68% completions 2 years in a row

Mahomes is Michael Jordan

Nathan Peterman...

 

 

 

This is absolutely true, we could have had them. My only problem is, I really would not trust Whaley to make a decision such as that. 

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Just now, Bills2ref said:

 

This is absolutely true. My only problem is, I really would not trust Whaley to make a decision such as that. 

 

 I don't even blame anyone it's just comically tragic.

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The Bills should have fired Whaley as soon as they decided he couldn't talk in public.  Then they should have hired Beane and had him & McDermott run the draft together.  A while ago someone suggested the reason they didn't pick a QB was because they wanted it to be the new GM's choice, that's fine if Allen becomes equal or better than Mahomes & Watson, as we all hope he will be, but if they both end up better than Allen, the Bills made a huge mistake not having the pieces in place to properly evaluate the QB class of 2017.  

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13 minutes ago, Chemical said:

 

This thread is about the 2017 draft

When we traded our pick in order to get a 1st rounder in the next draft presumably (and as it turned out) to get one of the QBs from a rich draft, so judging it in isolation and acting like the 2017 draft had nothing to do with picking Allen is disingenuous at best. If we got a shutdown CB and Allen turns out to be on the same level as Mahomes, I'd call that a win and a better outcome than JUST getting Mahomes or Watson. 

 

One could also argue it set up getting another pick in the 1st round used to pick a potentially elite LB.

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