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Who's Most Responsible for Pats* Dynasty: Brady or Belichick?

Who's Most Responsible for Pats* Dynasty: Brady or Belichick?  

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  1. 1. Who's Most Responsible for Pats* Dynasty: Brady or Belichick?



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Obviously, both BB and Brady are largely responsible for the dynasty.  

 

But who do you think is MOST responsible?

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Belichick, of course.  Brady's not smart enough to cheat that well on his own.

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1 minute ago, Bills2ref said:

Belichick. His record with backup QBs speaks for itself. 

 

What would that be?

 

Didn’t the Bills shut them out in New England without Brady?

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8 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

How come Satan isn't one of the options?

Agreed ... Goodell should've been a choice.

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5 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

Agreed ... Goodell should've been a choice.

 

Maybe throw in an Asian Day Spa worker? 

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10 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

What would that be?

 

Didn’t the Bills shut them out in New England without Brady?

 

From ABC news:

 

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In all, Belichick has gone 13-6 (.684) in 19 games without Brady at quarterback for the Patriots. To put that in context, no other team?in the league besides Belichick'sPatriots has posted a winning percentage higher than .684 since Belichick and Bradyjoined forces in 2000.

 

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3 minutes ago, K-9 said:

 

From ABC news:

 

 

 

Right.

 

And most of those games were the year after the Patriots came a hair away from going undefeated. That roster was stacked. Sort of like when Frank Reich would come in for the Bills.

 

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I have to go with Belichick because he's also the GM.  As important as Brady has been, it's still a team game and Belichick has been putting the other pieces into place.

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2 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

Right.

 

And most of those games were the year after the Patriots came a hair away from going undefeated. That roster was stacked. Sort of like when Frank Reich would come in for the Bills.

 

Right? Right what? I'm not trying to make a point here one way or the other. You asked what Belichick's record was without Brady and I simply furnished the information you requested. You're welcome. 

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I went Belichick, in part because of how they get better as the season progresses. He’s 67 now, isn’t it about time for him to hang it up too? Please?

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Belichek isn’t throwing those clutch passes on the field. There’s only so much a coach can do, the players have to execute and he has arguably the greatest of all time at the most important position on the field. Some will point to Belichek’s 13-6 record without Brady and I’d say that sort of success wouldn’t be sustainable. I’d use his record as head coach prior to Brady taking the field to support my argument.

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Belichick 

 

Brady never would have become Brady without Belichick.  

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10 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I went Belichick, in part because of how they get better as the season progresses. He’s 67 now, isn’t it about time for him to hang it up too? Please?

 

 

...agree with Belichick......how many years has the 6 foot hole been dug and shovels ready to bury the declining Pats?....of course Brady has been a huge part, but just when you think major adversity has struck, BB finds a way to keep on winning.....losing Brady and going 11-5 with Cassel (shockingly MISSED the playoffs) as an example....

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7 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

Belichek isn’t throwing those clutch passes on the field. There’s only so much a coach can do, the players have to execute and he has arguably the greatest of all time at the most important position on the field. Some will point to Belichek’s 13-6 record without Brady and I’d say that sort of success wouldn’t be sustainable. I’d use his record as head coach prior to Brady taking the field to support my argument.

This is all very true, which is why any coach I've ever spoken to at ANY level, including the NFL, to a man says it's always about PLAYERS and their talent first and foremost. Schemes are nice, but TALENT wins more games than anything else. I suspect it will always be this way. 

 

But the talent gap at the top level is minimal. There are great players on even the worst of teams. Belichick is simply the best their ever was at mitigating poor execution. He's also unequaled in in-game management. He starts managing the clock in the first quarter, for crissakes. His peers don't even consider it. And don't get me started on his field position management, either. Like the old saying goes, he's playing chess when all the rest are playing checkers. 

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Hopefully soon Belichick will have to win games not because of Brady, but despite him. There was some evidence of this at times already. Not that he doesn’t have some great moments, but Father Time is undefeated. 

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3 minutes ago, K-9 said:

This is all very true, which is why any coach I've ever spoken to at ANY level, including the NFL, to a man says it's always about PLAYERS and their talent first and foremost. Schemes are nice, but TALENT wins more games than anything else. I suspect it will always be this way. 

 

But the talent gap at the top level is minimal. There are great players on even the worst of teams. Belichick is simply the best their ever was at mitigating poor execution. He's also unequaled in in-game management. He starts managing the clock in the first quarter, for crissakes. His peers don't even consider it. And don't get me started on his field position management, either. Like the old saying goes, he's playing chess when all the rest are playing checkers. 

 

Agree 100% with all of this.

 

I'll also add that Belichick knows the NFL rules better than anyone on earth - and he uses that knowledge to his advantage.

 

What most people call "cheating," is really just knowing the rules and using them to their benefit.

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3 minutes ago, Gugny said:

What most people call "cheating," is really just knowing the rules and using them to their benefit.

Well, that takes the ‘air’ out of my argument...

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6 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Agree 100% with all of this.

 

I'll also add that Belichick knows the NFL rules better than anyone on earth - and he uses that knowledge to his advantage.

 

What most people call "cheating," is really just knowing the rules and using them to their benefit.

That’s true and while I understand that what he does may not be a violation of the rules per se, he isn’t above violating the “spirit” of the rules when he gets a chance. Like a couple years ago when he bent them with his substations vs. Baltimore in the playoffs. I don’t respect that about him at all. 

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6 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Agree 100% with all of this.

 

I'll also add that Belichick knows the NFL rules better than anyone on earth - and he uses that knowledge to his advantage.

 

What most people call "cheating," is really just knowing the rules and using them to their benefit.

 

 

....how many sports teams "push the envelope" in reality?......some get caught and many do not.....the era of hockey stick legal curvatures....MLB and the "Juiced Era".......George Brett and pine tar.....Gaylord Perry et al with the spitter.......the list goes on....Pats are the MOST hated because of their dynasty.......

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18 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Belichick 

 

Brady never would have become Brady without Belichick.  

You have that backwards. Belichick was nothing before Brady. 

He is a great coach but Brady is the greatest QB of all time. He has turned smurfs into superstars. He will get Gronk into HOF. He has never had an elite RB. Only Moss was a superstar WR.

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1 hour ago, Gugny said:

Obviously, both BB and Brady are largely responsible for the dynasty.  

 

But who do you think is MOST responsible?

ahh, the age old question. the chicken or the egg.

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I got Brady. How many SB wins do the Pats have without him as the starter?

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