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Who's Most Responsible for Pats* Dynasty: Brady or Belichick?

Who's Most Responsible for Pats* Dynasty: Brady or Belichick?  

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  1. 1. Who's Most Responsible for Pats* Dynasty: Brady or Belichick?



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I think it is very nuanced, and as much predicated on Belichick the GM as it is on Belichick the coach and Brady the QB.  Without instilling "The Patriot W..." :sick:🤢 🤮... sorry, I couldn't get through that without it maki...  :sick:🤢 🤮... ok, I'm feeling better now.  Without Belichick instilling the culture in the locker room that he has he wouldn't have managed to underpay players and keep his teams together as well as he has with the degree of success that he's had.

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/quarterback/  Brady hasn't been higher than top 12 in pay since 2012, and often times he's hovering in the high teens or low 20s.  For context, he made less than Tyrod did in Cleveland last year.  There are other players over the years who could have gotten paid considerably more by going somewhere else, as well.  This essentially allows them to legally circumvent the salary cap.  If Brady and other players like Gronk end up getting gifted chunks of the team or some other BS after they retire the league should take a decade's worth of draft picks IMO.

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24 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

 

Sure but he’s actually 54-61 lifetime without Brady at QB. And the majority of the 13 wins referenced were with basically the same roster that had nearly gone undefeated the season prior. 

 

...and most of the losses came with the Brown’s roster. I’m thinking maybe it’s more complicated than this guy or that guy? Would Brady have gotten all those rings in a Bills uniform? I blame @Gugny for starting this mess! He tricked us! 

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1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

...and most of the losses came with the Brown’s roster. I’m thinking maybe it’s more complicated than this guy or that guy? Would Brady have gotten all those rings in a Bills uniform? I blame @Gugny for starting this mess! He tricked us! 

Right...so the composition of your roster, specifically at the most important position, will inform your W/L% far more than a particular HC. We are in accordance.

 

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2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Right...so the composition of your roster, specifically at the most important position, will inform your W/L% far more than a particular HC. We are in accordance.

 

 

No. Nice try. I never said that. BB is also playing the GM role, setting up the roster. I think he’s better at coaching them than drafting them, but he gets who fit what he wants. I never gave full credit to the QB because the the MVP of the players. It’s a TEAM game, and it all counts. I voted BB. 

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2 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

No. Nice try. I never said that. BB is also playing the GM role, setting up the roster. I think he’s better at coaching them than drafting them, but he gets who fit what he wants. I never gave full credit to the QB because the the MVP of the players. It’s a TEAM game, and it all counts. I voted BB. 

It’s ok to be wrong, but just remember I gave you every chance to be right.

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7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

It’s ok to be wrong, but just remember I gave you every chance to be right.

 

I don’t think either would be the same alone. So I’m eager to see how you plan to prove yourself to be right. (And you’re safe because I can’t prove you wrong, so yawn..... on the cocky attitude.)  Brady at times put up Tyrod numbers last year, and a QB getting one year older is a bigger deal than a HC being one year older. 

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1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

I don’t think either would be the same alone. So I’m eager to see how you plan to prove yourself to be right. (And you’re safe because I can’t prove you wrong, so yawn..... on the cocky attitude.)  Brady at times put up Tyrod numbers last year, and a QB getting one year older is a bigger deal than a HC being one year older. 

It’s not so much being cocky as it is wanting to give others the opportunity to sip from my fountain of right-ness. 

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One doesn't happen without the other, but since I'm forced to pick one it has to be Brady.  He's taken less cash for years allowing the team to stock their roster relatively well & he's put up with Belichick's BS where any other Prima Donna QB would have rebelled years ago. 

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3 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

One doesn't happen without the other, but since I'm forced to pick one it has to be Brady.  He's taken less cash for years allowing the team to stock their roster relatively well & he's put up with Belichick's BS where any other Prima Donna QB would have rebelled years ago. 

 

The “cheapo” contracts are a real factor.

 

 

He’s a stinking gold digger! 

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4 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

One doesn't happen without the other, but since I'm forced to pick one it has to be Brady.  He's taken less cash for years allowing the team to stock their roster relatively well & he's put up with Belichick's BS where any other Prima Donna QB would have rebelled years ago. 

 

We don’t know that for sure, but we DO know that Belichick doesn’t happen without Brady.

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1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

 

We don’t know that for sure, but we DO know that Belichick doesn’t happen without Brady.

I know.

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3 hours ago, Augie said:

 

Yeah, I do wonder exactly how ol’ Ernie spends his days! What kind of shenanigans occupy his calendar? 

 

Ernie is kept in a bunker underneath Gillette Stadium.

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1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Ernie is kept in a bunker underneath Gillette Stadium.

 

Like Independence Day?  “As you can imagine, they don’t let us out very much.” 

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17 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

 

We don’t know that for sure, but we DO know that Belichick doesn’t happen without Brady.

 

While Brady is great, I don't buy it's all him. I think there was quite a bit of funny business. Helmet radios, stolen signals and gameplans, etc.

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3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

While Brady is great, I don't buy it's all him. I think there was quite a bit of funny business. Helmet radios, stolen signals and gameplans, etc.

 

I think people under-rate deflate gate. I don’t think it was Brady, I think it was BB virtually eliminating fumbles. Raise your hand if you think turnovers are important in the NFL? 

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2 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

 

Sure but he’s actually 54-61 lifetime without Brady at QB. And the majority of the 13 wins referenced were with basically the same roster that had nearly gone undefeated the season prior. 

 

So you're saying that replacing the 'most important position' wasn't all that impactful after all?

 

As for the Browns, he took over the rotting corpse of the old Schottenheimer teams, rebuilt them and had them in the playoffs in year 4.  Then Modell imploded the franchise mid-season the following year and decided to start over completely in Baltimore.

 

 

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1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

While Brady is great, I don't buy it's all him. I think there was quite a bit of funny business. Helmet radios, stolen signals and gameplans, etc.

They definitely cheated, and probably still do. 

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1 hour ago, KD in CA said:

 

So you're saying that replacing the 'most important position' wasn't all that impactful after all?

 

As for the Browns, he took over the rotting corpse of the old Schottenheimer teams, rebuilt them and had them in the playoffs in year 4.  Then Modell imploded the franchise mid-season the following year and decided to start over completely in Baltimore.

 

 

Not at all, I’m saying that’s why Brady is more important to the Pats dominance than Belichick. 

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4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

They definitely cheated, and probably still do. 

 

I think far more than we can imagine. They have been proven to cheat in multiple ways over many years. I’ll put cheating right up there with rings in how I think of them. 

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8 hours ago, DC Tom said:

Belichick, of course.  Brady's not smart enough to cheat that well on his own.

 

This is the only answer. 

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8 hours ago, dma0034 said:

Belichick is a good coach. Brady makes him great. 

 

Brady wasn't in NY where Bill got two more rings.

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The Bills, Jets and Dolphins for not drafting viable options at QB.  The pats have not had much competition in the division in a decade.  Plus nobody cheats like Bill!

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1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

They definitely cheated, and probably still do. 

 

Cheating is not exclusive to the Patriots*.  Superior ownership, brass, QB and coaching PLUS cheating is how the Patriots* dynasty happened.

 

Most other teams are just cheating.  The ones who aren't are idiots.  And I don't think there's one team in the league that isn't doing it.  They just don't have all the other pieces in place like the Patriots* do.

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