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On 6/7/2019 at 4:16 AM, HOUSE said:
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Tre’Davious White named third-best corner in NFL

In just two NFL seasons, Tre’Davious White has already established himself as one of the NFL’s best. The USA TODAY NFL Wire marked White as the third-best outside cornerback in the NFL. Here’s what Doug Farrar wrote about the LSU product.

Most young cornerbacks find themselves in a vicious learning curve when transitioning from college to the NFL—receivers are better and smarter, route concepts are far more complex, and coverages are more variable. White has proven the exception to the rule. He allowed a 48.1% catch rate and an opponent passer rating of 64.9 in his rookie season of 2017, and given equivalent opportunities in 2018, White showed that he doesn’t know what a sophomore slump looks like—he allowed 30 catches on 52 targets for just 357 yards, two touchdowns, two interceptions, and an opponent passer rating of 75.6.

 

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/bills-today-tre-davious-white-named-third-best-corner-in-nfl

That is why he is a keeper. Please start retaining our DB's after their rookie training contract! How many good players have left!

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44 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Bandit and I have agreed on Gilmore since his rookie season when, while often getting roasted by many here, we took the time to point out what he was doing and how, halfway through that season, when he started "shadowing" top receivers and played more man to man, he was a force and already one of the best CBs in the league. So you don't have to sell me on Gilmore's talent. It's obvious. 

 

Numbers tell how great he is as a player. And there's no denying that.

 

His actions, on the other hand,  told how lousy he was as a teammate that season. It was glaring and I suspect it didn't escape McD's scrutiny when he locked himself in the room and poured over game tapes when he arrived. 

 

While Rex certainly deserves much of the blame for the structures of the defense and how he used personnel within those structures, things like attitude, morale, effort, accountability, playing for your teammates etc., are STRICTLY a personal decision; you know, indicators of "football character" and Gilmore failed miserably in that department in his last season here. 

 

I don't agree. He was failed by inept coaching and dreadful safety play from teammates. 

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29 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't agree. He was failed by inept coaching and dreadful safety play from teammates. 

So, because he had a bad coach and less talented teammates, it was ok for him to not give his best effort to protect himself from injury in his contract year as well as point fingers at teammates while a play was still occurring? That is disrespecting the game as well as the fans, too. And as a fan, I'm surprised you're ok with that. 

 

I'll reiterate and then close my end of this particular discussion: Attitude and effort are ALWAYS a personal choice. Always. There is no blaming the lack thereof on others. 

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7 minutes ago, K-9 said:

So, because he had a bad coach and less talented teammates, it was ok for him to not give his best effort to protect himself from injury in his contract year as well as point fingers at teammates while a play was still occurring? That is disrespecting the game as well as the fans, too. And as a fan, I'm surprised you're ok with that. 

 

I'll reiterate and then close my end of this particular discussion: Attitude and effort are ALWAYS a personal choice. Always. There is no blaming the lack thereof on others. 

 

I don't think he did fail to give his best. You do. I don't. I think it looked like he was because things that were not on him were perceived to be. 

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16 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think he did fail to give his best. You do. I don't. I think it looked like he was because things that were not on him were perceived to be. 

I had little problem with his coverage effort and I can appreciate not getting safety help when it was supposed to be there. Some fans can't distinguish certain responsibilities in certain coverage schemes and so they often blame the last defender closest to the receiver, but I'm not one of them. The play where he was pointing fingers while the receiver that ran past him and was still running towards the endzone was clearly not his fault. So, while I understand his frustration, how he chose to display it was classless.

 

The lack of effort I'm talking about is shying away from contact and giving up easy yards as a result. He was all about avoiding injury in his contract year. Especially earlier in the season. That contributed to some friction in the room, too, as I understand it. 

 

Anyway, as a new coach coming in and reviewing the tape, I can understand why McDermott formed the opinions he did. If my sole impression of Gilmore was his '16 game tape, I'd have serious questions, too. When a player that good doesn't always show full effort, it's glaring. 

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1 minute ago, K-9 said:

I had little problem with his coverage effort and I can appreciate not getting safety help when it was supposed to be there. Some fans can't distinguish certain responsibilities in certain coverage schemes and so they often blame the last defender closest to the receiver, but I'm not one of them. The play where he was pointing fingers while the receiver that ran past him and was still running towards the endzone was clearly not his fault. So, while I understand his frustration, how he chose to display it was classless.

 

The lack of effort I'm talking about is shying away from contact and giving up easy yards as a result. He was all about avoiding injury in his contract year. Especially earlier in the season. That contributed to some friction in the room, too, as I understand it. 

 

Anyway, as a new coach coming in and reviewing the tape, I can understand why McDermott formed the opinions he did. If my sole impression of Gilmore was his '16 game tape, I'd have serious questions, too. When a player that good doesn't always show full effort, it's glaring. 

 

So I still disagree with the effort comments. I certainly didn't see anything on the tape to suggest he was trying any less hard than anyone else. He was just the one calling out others mistakes. I don't think that was classless. I think he was trying to lead because there were precious few others doing it... certainly not the Ryan brothers. 

 

As for the opinions McDermott formed... I think he thought "I am not going to pay top dollar to a corner who excels in man rather than zone, therefore isn't an ideal scheme fit, at the point I am undertaking a rebuild." I think that is a perfectly logical decision. And while I always said Gilmore was better than the internet Bills fan consensus, I understood the decision in isolation to let him walk. 

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On 6/7/2019 at 6:33 AM, eball said:

Tre will be one of the first test cases of Beane's stated "sign your own" philosophy.

Yep

 to me this is a big deal.
White has done everything right as far as we know. And wow can he play. even appears he likes tackling.

Hope he is getting extension ( paid ) for his fine work defending Our Dirt / snow/ turf etc

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think he did fail to give his best. You do. I don't. I think it looked like he was because things that were not on him were perceived to be. 

No i do as well. I watched to much of him. He played corner like an over the top Safety waay too much. even when he has safetie behind him.
smart player. good player. But he absolutely made choices to roll plays for some one else to finish.

and he peed himself when he had no choice to make the tackle. He always was looking to where his " help " was.

and yes i still loathe him.

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16 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

No i do as well. I watched to much of him. He played corner like an over the top Safety waay too much. even when he has safetie behind him.
smart player. good player. But he absolutely made choices to roll plays for some one else to finish.

and he peed himself when he had no choice to make the tackle. He always was looking to where his " help " was.

and yes i still loathe him.

 

Fine I will add you to my "wrong about Gilmore list". Don't worry, you are in good company. There is lots of Stadium Wallers on there. 

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On 6/7/2019 at 3:18 PM, GoBills808 said:

Probably the right spot but Slay not Gilmore lol...Gilmore is good but not top 3. Below average in run support from day 1.

Thats not true 

 

he was an excellent run defender until he ran full speed into eddie lacy and both got knocked out of a game.. that’s a 250 pound man in a violent collision. That was year 3 I believe 

 

and he was never as physical again... but he still ain’t no slouch. 100% unbiased Tre is not more physical than Gilmore through 2 years . Gilmores game is all about physicality. Every corner has some “soft” moments especially when hurt 

 

we would be 10x better with Gilmore and White and when we left I called him a future all pro Because he was really good when here. He played cover 0 and 1 more than any corner while here and more than held his own. Tre plays cover 3 majority 

 

and I love both. But it’s a crock to say Gilmore was never physical. He played with a club at corner and people say he’s soft

 

he was phenomenal and I wish he wasn’t a patriot. He was a massive hit of a draft pick and we let him walk

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1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

Thats not true 

 

he was an excellent run defender until he ran full speed into eddie lacy and both got knocked out of a game.. that’s a 250 pound man in a violent collision. That was year 3 I believe 

 

and he was never as physical again... but he still ain’t no slouch. 100% unbiased Tre is not more physical than Gilmore through 2 years . Gilmores game is all about physicality. Every corner has some “soft” moments especially when hurt 

 

we would be 10x better with Gilmore and White and when we left I called him a future all pro Because he was really good when here. He played cover 0 and 1 more than any corner while here and more than held his own. Tre plays cover 3 majority 

 

and I love both. But it’s a crock to say Gilmore was never physical. He played with a club at corner and people say he’s soft

 

he was phenomenal and I wish he wasn’t a patriot. He was a massive hit of a draft pick and we let him walk

 

I don't worry about White tackling in the open field, and I couldn't say I felt that way about Gilmore. He used his length in coverage well, but he wasn't a great tackler (could be the Lacy incident, I honestly don't remember), couldn't shed blocks, and his technique was weird. 

 

He was a fine corner. I wouldn't call him phenomenal then or now, but I liked him a lot when he was a Bill.

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On 6/8/2019 at 5:59 PM, GunnerBill said:

You do realise that most of those plays in Rex's last year where Gilmore was pointing at the safeties was because the safeties were actually terrible. Rex's last year our safety play was the worst in the NFL. 

For sure...but the on-field blame-displays DURING said plays is just really poor football character.

 

I effing hate working with ego cases like that (in admittedly different circumstances).  

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White reminds me a lot of Winfield and I wish (I know former Bill) they could get him as a offense assistant during camp.  I know he talked about him getting into coaching at appearance at Vikings stadium but cannot get video to work.

https://www.vikings.com/video/antoine-winfield-returns-to-minnesota-makes-first-visit-to-u-s-bank-stadium

He really liked to tackle.

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On 6/7/2019 at 3:04 PM, John from Riverside said:

I dont see any scenario where they dont pay White.

Major injury.

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12 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Fine I will add you to my "wrong about Gilmore list". Don't worry, you are in good company. There is lots of Stadium Wallers on there. 

lol 

 thank you GunnerBill !

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