“Tailgate Village”: New tailgating policy at New Era for bus/limo lot

[MAJBobby]

I am getting the feeling that the only ones that are really upset with this are the knuckleheads that are out there doing the idiotic stuff 

[corta765]

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

I am getting the feeling that the only ones that are really upset with this are the knuckleheads that are out there doing the idiotic stuff 

 

That is where I am closing in on. I am a little nervous that if this is successful they make a few lots have area's like this. 

[MAJBobby]

3 minutes ago, corta765 said:

 

That is where I am closing in on. I am a little nervous that if this is successful they make a few lots have area's like this. 

They might, don't think so though, I wonder how much TailGate Guys paid to have this contract?  But at the end of the day it could be a cool experience, I have been to college games that are set up like this all around it was nice, to go in pay a price and have access to a "Ready-made" tailgate, specially when I was flying into somewhere to watch a game.

 

And at the end of the day you can take your own food and drinks into this location, have help setting up and tear down and cleanup makes it easy.  

[BillsfanAZ]

Lots of other stadiums I have been to have a team sponsored tail gate area. I have been to many Cardinals games and they have a tail gate area. They have a huge shaded area with lounges, seats, TVs, ect. They also have a large lawn area they have bands play.  I dont remember seeing a specific area for buses to park and party. They have an RV lot but it is more mellow tailgaiting.  I remember going to a Bills home game when Bruce came back with the Redskins. After the game we were dodging beer bottles being thrown across the parking lot. I usually go to a Bills game a season and I have had no problems recently but I can definately see some tail gate groups drinking to excess. Maybe I am getting old but I prefer sitting in a lawn chair watching other NFL games while drinking beer  before going into the game. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Nah I prefer to use my brain cells

 

I thought alcohol strengthened your brain?  Like the analogy of wolves chasing bison.  The wolves kill the weakest bison, leaving the herd stronger.

[SmokinES3]

On 5/1/2019 at 12:14 PM, TroutDog said:

Perhaps starting the process of indoctrinating us into a new tailgate experience at a new venue?

It’s odd, as I only see the occasional hammered person. We park near the Field House and never have problems. 

Precisely. Trying to wean us off of fun.

[LabattBlue]

So if you are on a bus and don’t want to go to “tailgate village” what are you allowed to do? Can you put a couple coolers of beer in front of the bus?   A few pizzas?  What exactly can you do without being held hostage in the village?

[4_kidd_4]

1 minute ago, LabattBlue said:

So if you are on a bus and don’t want to go to “tailgate village” what are you allowed to do? Can you put a couple coolers of beer in front of the bus?   A few pizzas?  What exactly can you do without being held hostage in the village?

 

Bring it on over to “Tailgate ShantyTown”.  Thinking we’ll set up at the McKinley Mall, we’ll offer catering by “Olive Garden Tailgate Dudes Inc.”

[Wsam4031]

21 hours ago, wiseman3 said:

To be honest, I have only once jumped through a table. But it was before the Snowvertime game against Indy so I think I get a pass. Even Santa jumped through our table that day. We weren't super drunk or being #######s, just having some fun!

And this is my point too. Who cares if people jump through a table. People wanna go and have fun their own way. Its not breaking the law. Not sure when all these people became such prudes. I'm 40 and hardly gonna jump through a table but if the 20 year old next to me wants to who am i to tell him how to have his fun. Its simply amazing to me that people can sit here and object to people having fun.

21 hours ago, cd1 said:

WRONG!

 

Insurance and LAWSUITS are the problem. 

 

IF the Pegula's, the stadium/Erie County do not make a firm stand and prohibit such nonsense, they leave themselves wide open to lawsuits.

Actually this is not correct. If they don't repave an area of the parking lot and someone trips and breaks a leg they can be held liable. Someone choosing to jump through a table they wouldn't be liable for. No insurance company is going to pay that claim. I work for one i know. We have this saying with all the people who sit around me " we don't pay stupid"

[MAJBobby]

4 minutes ago, Wsam4031 said:

And this is my point too. Who cares if people jump through a table. People wanna go and have fun their own way. Its not breaking the law. Not sure when all these people became such prudes. I'm 40 and hardly gonna jump through a table but if the 20 year old next to me wants to who am i to tell him how to have his fun. Its simply amazing to me that people can sit here and object to people having fun.

The Bills, The Owners of the lots who end up having to carry insurance so IDIOTs can jump through tables and drink to MUCH.  You want to Jump though tables and drink to much STAY Home.  Don't do it on someone else's insurance that will get sued when you hurt yourself.

Edited May 2, 2019 by MAJBobby

[Wsam4031]

17 hours ago, May Day 10 said:

So more people will drive to the game, instead of paying the $600 "tax", overpaying for an unnecessary service nobody wants

Hahah yup just said that DWI's will be on the rise

Just now, MAJBobby said:

The Bills, The Owners of the lots who nd up having to carry insurance so IDIOTs can jump through tables and drink to MUCH.  You want to Jump though tables and drink to much STAY Home.  Don't do it on someone else's insurance that will get sued when you hurt yourself.

Not correct. They are all worried about being sued. They would never pay a dime

[MAJBobby]

4 minutes ago, Wsam4031 said:

Hahah yup just said that DWI's will be on the rise

Not correct. They are all worried about being sued. They would never pay a dime

Show me that.  Show me how their insurance on these lots have not gone up at all since all the viral idiot videos.  The Property Owner ABSOLUTELY can get sued.  So they are doing what apparently these idiots cannot do themselves and forcing them to act like adults.

 

Good Job Bills, if your fans don't want to GROW UP force them too.

Edited May 2, 2019 by MAJBobby

[Wsam4031]

2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Show me that.  Show me how their insurance on these lots have not gone up at all since all the viral idiot videos.

 

Good Job Bills, if your fans don't want to GROW UP force them too.

Of course they have gone up. Insurance companies will raise rates any chance they get. Doesn't mean they would pay for someone being stupid. I work for one and I'm telling you that would be denied in a second. if you don't like the videos then don't watch em. Nobody forcing you to watch. Personally i think they are funny and love the fact we are recognized nationally for our tailgating. Am I one to pass out drunk at a game and puke, nope. Do i jump through tables, nope. Was i sitting in the end zone 20 some years ago when people were throwing beer bottle and batteries at Bryan Cox when he walked off the field, sure was. Same stuff going on people acting like idiots. The only reason people care more now what happens is its broadcast on everything. So if some 20 year old kid wants to jump through a table while screaming lets go Buffalo am i gonna judge how he is having fun I'm sure not, just gonna sit back and laugh and enjoy tailgating my own way

[Kirby Jackson]

28 minutes ago, Wsam4031 said:

Hahah yup just said that DWI's will be on the rise

Not correct. They are all worried about being sued. They would never pay a dime

I’m in commercial insurance (and we write an NFL team out of our office and 8 in the US) and @MAJBobby is 100% right that will happen. That is the entire reason that the Bills are curtailing it. You can still jump through tables in private lots I guess. The Bills do not want to be held accountable for a death or worse (in the insurance world) a paralyzation. 

16 minutes ago, Wsam4031 said:

Of course they have gone up. Insurance companies will raise rates any chance they get. Doesn't mean they would pay for someone being stupid. I work for one and I'm telling you that would be denied in a second. if you don't like the videos then don't watch em. Nobody forcing you to watch. Personally i think they are funny and love the fact we are recognized nationally for our tailgating. Am I one to pass out drunk at a game and puke, nope. Do i jump through tables, nope. Was i sitting in the end zone 20 some years ago when people were throwing beer bottle and batteries at Bryan Cox when he walked off the field, sure was. Same stuff going on people acting like idiots. The only reason people care more now what happens is its broadcast on everything. So if some 20 year old kid wants to jump through a table while screaming lets go Buffalo am i gonna judge how he is having fun I'm sure not, just gonna sit back and laugh and enjoy tailgating my own way

Insurance rates are tied to the profitability of specific lines. They aren’t just random guesses, they are an equation based on the law of large numbers. 

Edited May 2, 2019 by Kirby Jackson

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, Wsam4031 said:

Of course they have gone up. Insurance companies will raise rates any chance they get. Doesn't mean they would pay for someone being stupid. I work for one and I'm telling you that would be denied in a second. if you don't like the videos then don't watch em. Nobody forcing you to watch. Personally i think they are funny and love the fact we are recognized nationally for our tailgating. Am I one to pass out drunk at a game and puke, nope. Do i jump through tables, nope. Was i sitting in the end zone 20 some years ago when people were throwing beer bottle and batteries at Bryan Cox when he walked off the field, sure was. Same stuff going on people acting like idiots. The only reason people care more now what happens is its broadcast on everything. So if some 20 year old kid wants to jump through a table while screaming lets go Buffalo am i gonna judge how he is having fun I'm sure not, just gonna sit back and laugh and enjoy tailgating my own way

Well good NOW the IDIOTs can stay at home or grow up that simple.  BRAVO BILLS

 

Next step if Bills fans DO not want to grow up.  Say hello to raised ticket Prices, they will price that group out.

Edited May 2, 2019 by MAJBobby

[Wsam4031]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

I’m in commercial insurance and @MAJBobby is 100% right that will happen. That is the entire reason that the Bills are curtailing it. You can still jump through tables in private lots I guess. The Bills do not want to be held accountable for a death or worse (in the insurance world) a paralyzation. 

they cant be held liable unless there is shown negligence on their part. They have signs about jumping through tables they have security. They are hardly negligent on this. I would have to disagree with you and say they have no claim. Doesn't mean they wouldn't be sued, just saying they would never make a dime

 

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

Well good NOW the IDIOTs can stay at home or grow up that simple.  BRAVO BILLS

 

Next step if Bills fans DO not want to grow up.  Say hello to raised ticket Prices, they will price that group out.

guess we just got 2 different views on this

[MAJBobby]

Just now, Wsam4031 said:

they cant be held liable unless there is shown negligence on their part. They have signs about jumping through tables they have security. They are hardly negligent on this. I would have to disagree with you and say they have no claim. Doesn't mean they wouldn't be sued, just saying they would never make a dime

 

Negligence on their part = not doing ANYTHING about it in their lots.  So guess what they did.  THEY DID SOMETHING about it.

[Rockpile233]

There are dozens of private lots that will accommodate idiocy. This will have zero impact on reducing viral table videos. It only takes one every week. 

 

I see this as more pushing the idiots to private lots while soaking the responsibile groups. Hopefully people take advantage of bringing their own items, but it’s just enough of an inconvienience for them to push the catering. I love these offered services, but not when you’re forcing large groups into it. Should stand on its’ own merits.

 

I try to patronize the private lots anyway.

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Wsam4031 said:

they cant be held liable unless there is shown negligence on their part. They have signs about jumping through tables they have security. They are hardly negligent on this. I would have to disagree with you and say they have no claim. Doesn't mean they wouldn't be sued, just saying they would never make a dime

 

guess we just got 2 different views on this

 

Other Franchises happy to be known for having legit franchises and winning.  Bills fans happy to be known as the Class Clowns, the Drunks and league laughable fan base.

Just now, Rockpile233 said:

There are dozens of private lots that will accommodate idiocy. This will have zero impact on reducing viral table videos. It only takes one every week. 

 

I see this as more pushing the idiots to private lots while soaking the responsibile groups. Hopefully people take advantage of bringing their own items, but it’s just enough of an inconvienience for them to push the catering. I love these offered services, but not when you’re forcing large groups into it. Should stand on its’ own merits.

 

I try to patronize the private lots anyway.

And soon those Private lots wont have it either, just takes on Lawsuit and then BOOM no tailgating whatso ever

[Rockpile233]

5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Other Franchises happy to be known for having legit franchises and winning.  Bills fans happy to be known as the Class Clowns, the Drunks and league laughable fan base.

And soon those Private lots wont have it either, just takes on Lawsuit and then BOOM no tailgating whatso ever

What is there to say? I think people who jump drunkenly through tables are stupid too, but I also am not trying to engineer the behavior of 70,000 people. “Forcing” people to grow up is a fools errand. Also who decides what that looks like? The Bills? HA

Edited May 2, 2019 by Rockpile233

[Wsam4031]

2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Other Franchises happy to be known for having legit franchises and winning.  Bills fans happy to be known as the Class Clowns, the Drunks and league laughable fan base.

I would be curious to know what NFL fan bases you are talking about. Raider game 2 years ago a guy in san fran gear gets stabbed, Philly has its own jail at the stadium, i cant even get started on NE 3x as many fights and drunk morons as buffalo, Pitt same as NE. The only difference is we had a few people jump through tables.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’m in commercial insurance (and we write an NFL team out of our office and 8 in the US) and @MAJBobby is 100% right that will happen. That is the entire reason that the Bills are curtailing it. You can still jump through tables in private lots I guess. The Bills do not want to be held accountable for a death or worse (in the insurance world) a paralyzation. 
 

Insurance rates are tied to the profitability of specific lines. They are [NOT] just random guesses, they are an equation based on the law of large numbers. 

 

I think you missed a word.

 

Thank you for giving the perspective of someone in the industry.  Am I correct in that the liability is also driven by how foreseeable an occurance may be?

 

Eg: in this situation, where the behavior is ongoing (thus known) and fans have already been injured (broken leg etc), it's quite foreseeable that a worse injury may occur.  If the Bills don't take action, their liability risk is greater?

[MAJBobby]

Just now, Rockpile233 said:

What is there to say? I think people who jump drunkenly through tables are stupid too, but I also am not trying to engineer the behavior of 70,000 people. “Forcing” people to grow up is a fools errand.

But you are not also the one carrying the insurance on those lots are you.  You are not the owners of the team that is embarrassed every Sunday buy what is going on in the lots are you.  You are not the County that is spending an arm and a leg attending to the idiots.  

 

All because a group of people cannot go to a Football Game, Act like adults and Watch a Football Game

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 minutes ago, Rockpile233 said:

There are dozens of private lots that will accommodate idiocy. This will have zero impact on reducing viral table videos. It only takes one every week. 

 

I see this as more pushing the idiots to private lots while soaking the responsibile groups. Hopefully people take advantage of bringing their own items, but it’s just enough of an inconvienience for them to push the catering. I love these offered services, but not when you’re forcing large groups into it. Should stand on its’ own merits.

 

I try to patronize the private lots anyway.

 

From the Bills perspective, that would be what they want.  If it happens on someone else's property, it's someone else's liability

[Rockpile233]

Just now, Wsam4031 said:

I would be curious to know what NFL fan bases you are talking about. Raider game 2 years ago a guy in san fran gear gets stabbed, Philly has its own jail at the stadium, i cant even get started on NE 3x as many fights and drunk morons as buffalo, Pitt same as NE. The only difference is we had a few people jump through tables.  

Worse examples with European soccer. Examples throughout all of American sports.

 

Buffalo does not have the market cornered on stupid fan actions.

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Wsam4031 said:

I would be curious to know what NFL fan bases you are talking about. Raider game 2 years ago a guy in san fran gear gets stabbed, Philly has its own jail at the stadium, i cant even get started on NE 3x as many fights and drunk morons as buffalo, Pitt same as NE. The only difference is we had a few people jump through tables.  

Sure ok keep your Blinders on.  Obviously the Bills have not.  And now these fans will face the consequences that they brought on themselves.

[Wsam4031]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think you missed a word.

 

Thank you for giving the perspective of someone in the industry.  Am I correct in that the liability is also driven by how foreseeable an occurance may be?

 

Eg: in this situation, where the behavior is ongoing (thus known) and fans have already been injured (broken leg etc), it's quite foreseeable that a worse injury may occur.  If the Bills don't take action, their liability risk is greater?

I am also in the industry and You are correct but negligence needs to be shown that the Bills did nothing. By having Police patrol the area and having signs on their lot that specifically states " No jumping through tables" they have made an attempt to stop the behavior. I'm not saying that a sign is really something but from a liability issue they can argue we have increased police presence and notified the people in our lots. Remember jumping through a table is not illegal so police cannot arrest based on the sign but they can enforce it if posted

[Kirby Jackson]

13 minutes ago, Wsam4031 said:

they cant be held liable unless there is shown negligence on their part. They have signs about jumping through tables they have security. They are hardly negligent on this. I would have to disagree with you and say they have no claim. Doesn't mean they wouldn't be sued, just saying they would never make a dime

 

guess we just got 2 different views on this

The negligence is the lack of security and control. This isn’t even a discussion. It’s a fact. They would certainly be held accountable which is why they are trying to stop it.

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think you missed a word.

 

Thank you for giving the perspective of someone in the industry.  Am I correct in that the liability is also driven by how foreseeable an occurance may be?

 

Eg: in this situation, where the behavior is ongoing (thus known) and fans have already been injured (broken leg etc), it's quite foreseeable that a worse injury may occur.  If the Bills don't take action, their liability risk is greater?

Ha ha, I did, I missed it. Thanks Hap!!

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, Wsam4031 said:

I am also in the industry and You are correct but negligence needs to be shown that the Bills did nothing. By having Police patrol the area and having signs on their lot that specifically states " No jumping through tables" they have made an attempt to stop the behavior. I'm not saying that a sign is really something but from a liability issue they can argue we have increased police presence and notified the people in our lots. Remember jumping through a table is not illegal so police cannot arrest based on the sign but they can enforce it if posted

Incorrect. Signs don’t do anything to release liability. Ask Disney 

[Rockpile233]

10 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

But you are not also the one carrying the insurance on those lots are you.  You are not the owners of the team that is embarrassed every Sunday buy what is going on in the lots are you.  You are not the County that is spending an arm and a leg attending to the idiots.  

 

All because a group of people cannot go to a Football Game, Act like adults and Watch a Football Game

No, I’ve been in the seats for 12 years embarrassed with what is on the field. 

 

You can can cry all you want about it. If they want to crack down on parking lot behavior it is their right, but I have stated my bigger issue is how this has turned into a forced service to prop up their sponsored tailgates. Stop making this an image decision. This was strictly a financial decision. That is fine as they are a business, but I’m certainly not applauding them for saving us from ourselves!

Edited May 2, 2019 by Rockpile233

[Kirby Jackson]

6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think you missed a word.

 

Thank you for giving the perspective of someone in the industry.  Am I correct in that the liability is also driven by how foreseeable an occurance may be?

 

Eg: in this situation, where the behavior is ongoing (thus known) and fans have already been injured (broken leg etc), it's quite foreseeable that a worse injury may occur.  If the Bills don't take action, their liability risk is greater?

It is mostly tied to the losses by line, in an area. So the forecasting and rates are based on how profitable they’ve been. Carriers wrote to a 40% loss ratio in most cases. It sucks for the “clean” accounts because they are rolled in with others in the region and their SiC code to identify and determine the likelihood of a loss.

 

In this situation, they may even have exclusions written into their policy because the behavior is known. The carrier may not offer coverage for this particular situation. The team will either have to find someone that will or self-insure it if that’s the case.

[Wsam4031]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

Incorrect. Signs don’t do anything to release liability. Ask Disney 

so if i have a sign posted beware of dog and u jump my fence to my backyard and the dog attacks you its my fault because signs don't release liability

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Rockpile233 said:

No, I’ve been in the seats for 12 years embarrassed with what is on the field. 

 

You can can cry all you want about it. If they want to crack down on parking lot behavior it is their right, but I have stated my bigger issue is how this has turned into a forced service to prop up their sponsored tailgates. Stop making this an image decision. This was strictly a financial decision. That is fine as they are a business, but I’m certainly not applauding them for it.

 

How. Because you have to pay 15 a head to have a safe secure and adult like tailgate and still can bring you own food and Beer?

[Wsam4031]

1 minute ago, Rockpile233 said:

No, I’ve been in the seats for 12 years embarrassed with what is on the field. 

 

You can can cry all you want about it. If they want to crack down on parking lot behavior it is their right, but I have stated my bigger issue is how this has turned into a forced service to prop up their sponsored tailgates. Stop making this an image decision. This was strictly a financial decision. That is fine as they are a business, but I’m certainly not applauding them for it.

I do agree with you on that point its their property and they can do what they want. 100% agreed on that. It sucks for those of us who take the bus and have a good, responsible time doing so. We've been doing it for years and will not be doing it this year. It sucks because we have a lot of fun doing it

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Wsam4031 said:

so if i have a sign posted beware of dog and u jump my fence to my backyard and the dog attacks you its my fault because signs don't release liability

 

Different as I am breaking the law. Just ask Disney. See lawsuits all the time down here because an idiot did something they shouldn’t have done on their Property and got Hurt. 

 

Even if if it isn’t paid out BILLABLE hours being laid out to get it dismissed. 

 

So yeah Signs do not release you of liability. 

[Wsam4031]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

 

How. Because you have to pay 15 a head to have a safe secure and adult like tailgate and still can bring you own food and Beer?

they said you can bring your own food but never said you can bring your own drinks did they?

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Incorrect. Signs don’t do anything to release liability. Ask Disney 

This isn’t even debatable. The team would 100% be held accountable in this situation, as would the county, police, parking administrators, etc... If someone jumped off a bus and ended up paralyzed they all would be pulled into the suit. Their insurance covers the defense as well. They would almost certainly settle for a big amount while racking up legal bills. I would venture to say that a paralyzation from this would make it to the Bills umbrella carrier.

 

That is another GIANT concern of NFL teams. Currently, there is really only one umbrella carrier that covers for traumatic brain injury (CTE). Pretty much every team has their first $20m-$25M umbrella placed with that carrier. The other $50M (which is what most carry $75m total) is placed elsewhere. If that primary umbrella carrier ever dropped the Bills they would be on the hook for all traumatic brain injury beyond $1M. This is a NIGHTMARE scenario for them.

[MAJBobby]

4 minutes ago, Wsam4031 said:

so if i have a sign posted beware of dog and u jump my fence to my backyard and the dog attacks you its my fault because signs don't release liability

 

Different. If I was invited into your backyard and that dog bit me because I did something stupid like jumped and startled him absolutely your Homeowners insurance would pay out

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, Wsam4031 said:

they said you can bring your own food but never said you can bring your own drinks did they?

You can bring drinks, grills, etc...

 

https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/news/bills-bus-lot-q-and

[Wsam4031]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Different. If I was invited into your backyard and that dog bit me because I did something stupid like jumped and startled him absolutely your Homeowners insurance would pay out

100% correct. there are 100 different scenarios we can go through on this it just depends on the situation

Edited May 2, 2019 by Wsam4031