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I took the liberty of putting on my GM hat and went through the current roster and removed most of the back up players.  The list below has 48 players on it. That leaves us room for five more players without having to cut a player listed below to stay at 53.   It looks like a solid roster that should only get better after the draft.  Hopefully we will be able to add at least two immediate starters in the draft.  There are not too many players below who are an easy cut.  It's not a bad problem to have.  We are no longer looking to fill gaping holes in the roster,  we are looking to strengthen already solid positions.

 

I think we need one more TE, we went into the season last year with four on the roster.  We could use some help at DE and LB.  DT also has some room to grow.  Do we draft a RB?   It will be interesting to see which moves McBeane makes over the next two weeks.  

 

Offense / Special Teams;  Free agents in bold    26 Total

 

Josh Allen                                             John Brown

Matt Barkley                                         Cole Beasley

Derek Anderson                                   Andre Roberts

                                                               Zay Jones

LeSean McCoy                                    Robert Foster

Frank Gore                                           Duke Williams

Senorise Perry

 

 Tyler Kroft                                          Stephen Hauschka

Jake Fisher                                         Corey Bojorquez

Jason Croom                                      Reid Fergason

 

Dion Dawkins   

Wyatt Teller

Mitch Morse

Spencer Long

Ty Nsekhe

Jon Feliciano

LaAdrian Waddle

Quinton Spain

 

Defense;  Free agents in Bold      22 Total

 

Tre'Davious White                         Matt Milano

Taron Johnson                              Tremaine Edmunds

Levi Wallace                                  Lorenzo Alexander

Kevin Johnson                             Julian Stanford                            

E.J. Gaines

 

Trent Murphy                                Jordan Poyer

Harrison Phillips                           Siran Neal

Star Latulelei                                 Micah hyde           

Jerry Hughes                                 Rafael Bush

                                                        

Shaq Lawson                               

Eli Harold                                     

Eddie Yarborough                               

Mo Alexander

Jordan Phillips

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Jordan Phillips?

 

Yep, he should be on the list.  I'll jump back in and add him to the roster.  Now we are down to five openings left.  Thanks.

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I feel like it's important to point out that just because a guy got signed in FA, doesn't mean he'll make the team.  They brought guys in for competition, not as sure-fire roster spots.  It's not a sure bet for Senorise Perry, Duke Williams, or all of the FA linemen, both offense and defense, to make it.  To be honest, I'd be flabbergasted if all of them did.

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There are 5-6 guys on that list that could be replaced in the draft including guys that have just been signed,  with none/minimal dead money..

 

Perry, Fisher,Mo Alexander, Stanford,Duke Williams, Yarborough..

 

There are a few depth guys that you haven’t listed that they seem to like and wouldn’t surprise me if they make the team..

 

Pitts, Murphy, Boettiger, McKenzie...

 

Long way to go ..

 

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27 minutes ago, Haplo848 said:

I feel like it's important to point out that just because a guy got signed in FA, doesn't mean he'll make the team.  They brought guys in for competition, not as sure-fire roster spots.  It's not a sure bet for Senorise Perry, Duke Williams, or all of the FA linemen, both offense and defense, to make it.  To be honest, I'd be flabbergasted if all of them did.

 

26 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

There are 5-6 guys on that list that could be replaced in the draft including guys that have just been signed,  with none/minimal dead money..

 

Perry, Fisher,Mo Alexander, Stanford,Duke Williams, Yarborough..

 

There are a few depth guys that you haven’t listed that they seem to like and wouldn’t surprise me if they make the team..

 

Pitts, Murphy, Boettiger, McKenzie...

 

Long way to go ..

 

 

Agree with both of your posts.  Some of the free agents will probably not make the final 53 and some of the players I included in the roster above won't make it either.  

 

The great thing, and the main point of my post, is that we are going to be cutting good players from the 53 man roster because we will have better players to replace them.  If / when someone goes down with an injury this year it should not be a huge drop off in production because we will have quality depth behind them.  I think this is going to end up being a very strong roster on opening day.

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I’m convinced we’re not done adding impactful veterans-aka starters. Lost in all the hoopla of the FA frenzy and 10 upcoming Draft picks, lies Trader Beane. When Beane trades, new starters appear.

 

I’m also convinced the Opening Day roster will barely resemble this montage of misfits.

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59 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

There are 5-6 guys on that list that could be replaced in the draft including guys that have just been signed,  with none/minimal dead money..

 

Perry, Fisher,Mo Alexander, Stanford,Duke Williams, Yarborough..

 

There are a few depth guys that you haven’t listed that they seem to like and wouldn’t surprise me if they make the team..

 

Pitts, Murphy, Boettiger, McKenzie...

 

Long way to go ..

 

I really think Duke is going to surprise people.  I think hes a beast.  Finally going to have a good Duke Williams.

16 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Not very inspiring - on paper..

I think spectacular has been passed up for solid through the depth chart. I think a team needs a few stars and everyone else has to be solid.  A chain is only as strong as its weakest link.  I really think they are going to grab high upside players in the draft.

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48 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

 

Agree with both of your posts.  Some of the free agents will probably not make the final 53 and some of the players I included in the roster above won't make it either.  

 

The great thing, and the main point of my post, is that we are going to be cutting good players from the 53 man roster because we will have better players to replace them.  If / when someone goes down with an injury this year it should not be a huge drop off in production because we will have quality depth behind them.  I think this is going to end up being a very strong roster on opening day.

 

I would guess that your definition of "good players" = "guys I like who play for the Bills" as opposed to "good players" = "starters on most NFL teams".

 

34 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

I really think Duke is going to surprise people.  I think hes a beast.  Finally going to have a good Duke Williams.

I think spectacular has been passed up for solid through the depth chart. I think a team needs a few stars and everyone else has to be solid.  A chain is only as strong as its weakest link.  I really think they are going to grab high upside players in the draft.

 

I think that Brandon/Beane/McDermott have actually thrown away spectacular in pursuit of less than solid in several instances.  I see a roster with too many bottom end players who would not be good enough to make most teams in the NFL.  If the Bills are serious about building a real playoff team, the 2019 draft would be a good time to start.  Even if Allen develops into a true franchise QB, he can't do everything himself.

 

 

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Realistic.  We should go for a few top studs (high ceiling, high floor, high draft position) and then just high ceiling guys for the rest of the draft. 

 

You didn't mention that the Bills will be scouring the waiver wires and practice squads very hard.  Teams will try to hide very good developing players there and some of our deep backups will be replaced.

 

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I'd wish to see Isaiah McKenzie make the roster.

3 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

DL very much lacks higher end talent outside of Hughes 

Horrible Harry could be a rising star. Too early to say for him.

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1 hour ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

Jeepers freaking creepers, in August this team is going to end up cutting guys I like quite a bit.

Or trading them for future draft picks...

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4 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

I took the liberty of putting on my GM hat and went through the current roster and removed most of the back up players.  The list below has 48 players on it. That leaves us room for five more players without having to cut a player listed below to stay at 53.   It looks like a solid roster that should only get better after the draft.  Hopefully we will be able to add at least two immediate starters in the draft.  There are not too many players below who are an easy cut.  It's not a bad problem to have.  We are no longer looking to fill gaping holes in the roster,  we are looking to strengthen already solid positions.

 

I think we need one more TE, we went into the season last year with four on the roster.  We could use some help at DE and LB.  DT also has some room to grow.  Do we draft a RB?   It will be interesting to see which moves McBeane makes over the next two weeks.  

 

Offense / Special Teams;  Free agents in bold    26 Total

 

Josh Allen                                             John Brown

Matt Barkley                                         Cole Beasley

Derek Anderson                                   Andre Roberts

                                                               Zay Jones

LeSean McCoy                                    Robert Foster

Frank Gore                                           Duke Williams

Senorise Perry

 

 Tyler Kroft                                          Stephen Hauschka

Jake Fisher                                         Corey Bojorquez

Jason Croom                                      Reid Fergason

 

Dion Dawkins   

Wyatt Teller

Mitch Morse

Spencer Long

Ty Nsekhe

Jon Feliciano

LaAdrian Waddle

Quinton Spain

 

Defense;  Free agents in Bold      22 Total

 

Tre'Davious White                         Matt Milano

Taron Johnson                              Tremaine Edmunds

Levi Wallace                                  Lorenzo Alexander

Kevin Johnson                             Julian Stanford                            

E.J. Gaines

 

Trent Murphy                                Jordan Poyer

Harrison Phillips                           Siran Neal

Star Latulelei                                 Micah hyde           

Jerry Hughes                                 Rafael Bush

                                                        

Shaq Lawson                               

Eli Harold                                     

Eddie Yarborough                               

Mo Alexander

Jordan Phillips

 

 

Man when you really look at this roster... we definitely need a WR early in this draft. Beasley, John Brown, Zay doesn't scare anyone. Robert Foster maybe... but he needs to take another step.

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23 minutes ago, Scorp83 said:

Man when you really look at this roster... we definitely need a WR early in this draft. Beasley, John Brown, Zay doesn't scare anyone. Robert Foster maybe... but he needs to take another step.

Teams have run at will against Buffalo the past 2 years and opposing  QBS have been way too comfortable in the pocket.  A WR does nothing to fix that.

jones, brown, foster, Beasley, Roberts, duke is 6 WR already, we aren’t keeping 7, who are you cutting when you draft WR?

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2 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

I would guess that your definition of "good players" = "guys I like who play for the Bills" as opposed to "good players" = "starters on most NFL teams".

 

 

I think that Brandon/Beane/McDermott have actually thrown away spectacular in pursuit of less than solid in several instances.  I see a roster with too many bottom end players who would not be good enough to make most teams in the NFL.  If the Bills are serious about building a real playoff team, the 2019 draft would be a good time to start.  Even if Allen develops into a true franchise QB, he can't do everything himself.

 

 

I actually think some of your takes make you look clueless.  They got rid of guys that were not performing or do not have the attitude they want.

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2 points I wanted after reading the OP.

 

1. Deon Lacey should be on that list. He just signed a new contract.

 

2. You seem to treat DT as an afterthought. I see it as the last remaining "gaping hole" on the roster (assuming Allen and Edmunds play well in 2019). Lotulelei is average at best and after him there is a big drop off. H Phillips may be a solid starting DT some day, but he's still a long way from there. I really think that great defense starts with a great front 4. At DE, Hughes is very good, but no one is comparing him to guys like A Donald, K Mack or V Miller. After Hughes there is also a considerable drop off. I want the best players we can get on draft day, but would be greatly pleased if the 2 day 1 starters you refer to were a DT and a DE. I also think Suh will be signed by someone shortly after the draft and possibly by us if we still have the cap space.

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2 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

DL very much lacks higher end talent outside of Hughes 

 

And this is a unit that can heavily tilt the win/loss column in your favor if the talent is very good.

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2 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

I would guess that your definition of "good players" = "guys I like who play for the Bills" as opposed to "good players" = "starters on most NFL teams".

 

 

I think that Brandon/Beane/McDermott have actually thrown away spectacular in pursuit of less than solid in several instances.  I see a roster with too many bottom end players who would not be good enough to make most teams in the NFL.  If the Bills are serious about building a real playoff team, the 2019 draft would be a good time to start.  Even if Allen develops into a true franchise QB, he can't do everything himself.

 

 

 

It's true that we lack high end talent, but I think having a roster without more than 1 or 2 big holes actually makes a team very hard to beat. They don't have to overcompensate for weak areas and can more easily catch the other team off balance because they can do one thing or another with equal aplomb. This kinda goes hand in hand with my belief that playcalling is an underappreciated art. There's no better play than the one the other team isn't looking for. That said, we musr have 3 or 4 elite talents on our roster to win a SB or it gets much harder to do. Maybe not impossible, but still much harder.

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29 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

 

It's true that we lack high end talent, but I think having a roster without more than 1 or 2 big holes actually makes a team very hard to beat. They don't have to overcompensate for weak areas and can more easily catch the other team off balance because they can do one thing or another with equal aplomb. This kinda goes hand in hand with my belief that playcalling is an underappreciated art. There's no better play than the one the other team isn't looking for.

Ultimately it all comes down to the draft. This team definitely lacks high end talent, and that is a problem. Successful playoff teams all have high end talent. There is no way I see anything more than a one and done playoff team (at best) based on the talent of this roster. That could all change with a successful draft, and the continued development of our draft picks from the past few years. Nothing is preventing guys who are already on the roster from developing into high end talents.  

 

Although we didn’t land big time talent, I really like everything we did in free agency this offseason. You hope to find quality role players and depth guys during the free agency period. We did a really good job of doing so. Typically, you don’t expect to land superstars. The majority of high end talent on NFL rosters are homegrown draft choices. High end talent is often available during free agency only in the case of diva players. 

 

I think this team is in pretty good shape. Josh Allen’s development still determines the future of this franchise. I’m most concerned about the lack of high end talent, and not sold on the trenches for either side of the ball. This offensive line still isn’t very good. We signed some nice depth guys, but I’m not sure they are ideal starters. Morse is the only consistently above average starter on that line. It’s an improvement over last season, but that’s not saying a whole lot. Let’s hope some good talent can be found in the draft to help with that. Things still feel quite good around here as we finally have a regime with a plan, and Allen looks very promising. That’s more than we’ve been able to say in years. Now we just need to shore up a few positions and find a way to develop some high end talent. 

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4 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

I’m convinced we’re not done adding impactful veterans-aka starters. Lost in all the hoopla of the FA frenzy and 10 upcoming Draft picks, lies Trader Beane. When Beane trades, new starters appear.

 

I’m also convinced the Opening Day roster will barely resemble this montage of misfits.

 

I'm expecting a big trade or two myself.

"Montage of Misfits".  LOL.  I agree a lot of these FAs have been misfits on their former teams.

I'm betting a good number of them will have found a home in Buffalo.

On the other hand I can see 4-5 of the recently signed FAs not making the team in the end.

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57 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I'm expecting a big trade or two myself.

"Montage of Misfits".  LOL.  I agree a lot of these FAs have been misfits on their former teams.

I'm betting a good number of them will have found a home in Buffalo.

On the other hand I can see 4-5 of the recently signed FAs not making the team in the end.

LaAdrian Waddle=Marshall Newhouse for example.

2 hours ago, GreggTX said:

 

 

1. Deon Lacey should be on that list. He just signed a new contract.

 

 

So did Pitts and his chances of making this team are slim and none .

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8 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

I took the liberty of putting on my GM hat and went through the current roster and removed most of the back up players.  The list below has 48 players on it. That leaves us room for five more players without having to cut a player listed below to stay at 53.   It looks like a solid roster that should only get better after the draft.  Hopefully we will be able to add at least two immediate starters in the draft.  There are not too many players below who are an easy cut.  It's not a bad problem to have.  We are no longer looking to fill gaping holes in the roster,  we are looking to strengthen already solid positions.

 

I think we need one more TE, we went into the season last year with four on the roster.  We could use some help at DE and LB.  DT also has some room to grow.  Do we draft a RB?   It will be interesting to see which moves McBeane makes over the next two weeks.  

 

Offense / Special Teams;  Free agents in bold    26 Total

 

Josh Allen                                             John Brown

Matt Barkley                                         Cole Beasley

Derek Anderson                                   Andre Roberts

                                                               Zay Jones

LeSean McCoy                                    Robert Foster

Frank Gore                                           Duke Williams

Senorise Perry

 

 Tyler Kroft                                          Stephen Hauschka

Jake Fisher                                         Corey Bojorquez

Jason Croom                                      Reid Fergason

 

Dion Dawkins   

Wyatt Teller

Mitch Morse

Spencer Long

Ty Nsekhe

Jon Feliciano

LaAdrian Waddle

Quinton Spain

 

Defense;  Free agents in Bold      22 Total

 

Tre'Davious White                         Matt Milano

Taron Johnson                              Tremaine Edmunds

Levi Wallace                                  Lorenzo Alexander

Kevin Johnson                             Julian Stanford                            

E.J. Gaines

 

Trent Murphy                                Jordan Poyer

Harrison Phillips                           Siran Neal

Star Latulelei                                 Micah hyde           

Jerry Hughes                                 Rafael Bush

                                                        

Shaq Lawson                               

Eli Harold                                     

Eddie Yarborough                               

Mo Alexander

Jordan Phillips

 

 

 

Right now there is No guarantee that all the UFA make the Roster. 

 

Let’s talk OL

 

Morse - Contract mocks him In for this year. 

Nsekhe- Contract says makes the team

Dawkins - Not going anywhere but savings if cut 

 

Waddle - Can be cut with a savings 

McDermott - Can be cut at a savings 

Long - Signed this year can be Cut this year at a cap savings 

Bodine - Can be cut at a cap savings. 

Feliceno - Can be cut but. A small cap hit if so 

Ducasse can and will be cut

Spain - can be cut this year at a cap savings

Sirles - Can be cut at savings

Teller - Same

Boetringer - Same 

 

so out out of ALL the OL there really is 2 that cannot be moved on after camp at a savings. 1 that is a wash (Same dead as current hit) 

 

so really out of all the UFA signings this offseason on the OL only Morse really has a Contract that says he isn’t going anywhere. 

 

I think it is Ambitious putting all those UFAs in the top 53. Their play may get them there. But in April look at Contracts and there is what. 3 or 4 that are contracts that put them in the top 53. 

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