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25 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:

LaAdrian Waddle=Marshall Newhouse for example.

So did Pitts and his chances of making this team are slim and none .

 

Good example.

I will add that Newhouse made the team last year because there was no talent.

Waddle may not make the team this year because of an increase in talent.

Need another OT in the draft.

 

I like what Beane's plan was during FA.  If some of the guys don't survive the competition so be it.

1-2 million in dead money won't hurt this year.

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13 hours ago, Buffalo30 said:

Or trading them for future draft picks...

 

 

Absolutely true.  However, don’t you like to play with new toys first and then eventually get bored and pass them on?

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11 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

I really think Duke is going to surprise people.  I think hes a beast.  Finally going to have a good Duke Williams.

I think spectacular has been passed up for solid through the depth chart. I think a team needs a few stars and everyone else has to be solid.  A chain is only as strong as its weakest link.  I really think they are going to grab high upside players in the draft.

Pretty much this. Your all star studs right now, or at least hoping to be:

 

Offense:

Allen

Dawkins

Morse

 

Defense:

Edmunds

White

Hughes

 

youve got to be hoping these 6 are not just good starters but game changers. You’ve got to go into the draft hoping to get at least 1 if not 2 more impact players right away. Maybe steal the show and get a sure fire, one of the best in the league players as soon as possible. That’s got to be the hope. If you can get that at the DT, DE, WR positions in this draft we’re well on our way. 

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1 hour ago, mrags said:

Pretty much this. Your all star studs right now, or at least hoping to be:

 

Offense:

Allen

Dawkins

Morse

 

Defense:

Edmunds

White

Hughes

 

youve got to be hoping these 6 are not just good starters but game changers. You’ve got to go into the draft hoping to get at least 1 if not 2 more impact players right away. Maybe steal the show and get a sure fire, one of the best in the league players as soon as possible. That’s got to be the hope. If you can get that at the DT, DE, WR positions in this draft we’re well on our way. 

Youre also missing one of the best safety tandems in the NFL.

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No matter how you cut it the OP's line up is far better than last year's mess and it's only going to get better in the coming months. Beane set out to create competition for jobs and that is exactly what he did.

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2 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

Absolutely true.  However, don’t you like to play with new toys first and then eventually get bored and pass them o?

That’s what training camp and preseason is for. Show up in shape and look sharp and they won’t be moved but always look to acquire assets instead of just cutting players. 

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1 hour ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Youre also missing one of the best safety tandems in the NFL.

They are good. Especially as a group. But they are not stars 

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1 hour ago, Buffalo30 said:

That’s what training camp and preseason is for. Show up in shape and look sharp and they won’t be moved but always look to acquire assets instead of just cutting players. 

 

It’s just that I don’t think the preseason gives that much of a taste.  They’ll do it in practice, but not many of us will see it.

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8 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

It’s just that I don’t think the preseason gives that much of a taste.  They’ll do it in practice, but not many of us will see it.

It doesn’t matter if the fans see it, the coaching staff needs to see it. I trust them to make the right decisions

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9 hours ago, mrags said:

They are good. Especially as a group. But they are not stars 

I strongly disagree about Poyer and Hyde. They are difference/game changers. They may not be top 5 safeties but they are certainly game changers. With a better pass rush I expect them to get closer to the 10 combined interceptions they had in 2017. 

 

Also, Milano has to be counted as a game changer. After his injury, the defense fell apart. The defense was a different animal with him out there and in my book, that’s the definition of a game changer. 

 

Tremaine hasn’t earned the game changer title yet. I believe he will but you’re giving it to him and not any of these three? Also giving it to Dawkins over these three? You’ve lost me. A game changer title is earned not given to somebody because they have potential. 

 

How do you define a game changer? 

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20 hours ago, GreggTX said:

2 points I wanted after reading the OP.

 

1. Deon Lacey should be on that list. He just signed a new contract

His contract, like Sirles on OL is for one year with no signing bonus or guaranteed $$$.  Basically a placeholder and means they can be released with no cap implications.  Don't see either making the 53.  

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21 hours ago, Pete said:

Teams have run at will against Buffalo the past 2 years and opposing  QBS have been way too comfortable in the pocket.  A WR does nothing to fix that.

jones, brown, foster, Beasley, Roberts, duke is 6 WR already, we aren’t keeping 7, who are you cutting when you draft WR?

 

Zay and/or duke

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On 4/14/2019 at 6:19 AM, Haplo848 said:

I feel like it's important to point out that just because a guy got signed in FA, doesn't mean he'll make the team.  They brought guys in for competition, not as sure-fire roster spots.  It's not a sure bet for Senorise Perry, Duke Williams, or all of the FA linemen, both offense and defense, to make it.  To be honest, I'd be flabbergasted if all of them did.

Plus they bring in 90 players....many to play the final preseason game

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2 hours ago, Buffalo30 said:

 

It doesn’t matter if the fans see it, the coaching staff needs to see it. I trust them to make the right decisions

 

 

Yeah, but the thing is my original post was about a number of guys that I like are potentially going to be cut...that hasn't changed with whether we trade for draft picks or whether the coaches get to see it instead of me.

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23 hours ago, Pete said:

Teams have run at will against Buffalo the past 2 years and opposing  QBS have been way too comfortable in the pocket.  A WR does nothing to fix that.

jones, brown, foster, Beasley, Roberts, duke is 6 WR already, we aren’t keeping 7, who are you cutting when you draft WR?

You cut whoever is worst. Probably CFL Duke, because he's super slow. We absolutely need another WR and I would be shocked if we didn't take one in the first 3 rounds.

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Good post by the OP.  I think the Bills will draft a developmental OT in the 3rd or 4th rd.  This guy will be the 9th olineman.  If it goes well, this olineman will be the swing OT in 2020 and the starting RT in 2021.

 

I believe this is the strategy that will emerge more and more in the next few years.  Most of the OL signed this year are upgrades to what we had last year, are stopgap measures, but will eventually be replaced by young, cheap draft picks.

 

Bills OL guys:  Dawkins, Spain, Morse, Long, Nyseke, Waddle, Feliciano, Teller, OT Draft pick.

 

Cuts: Sirles, Ducasse, McDermott, Boettger, Bodine (maybe trade) 

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On 4/14/2019 at 9:16 AM, CaptnCoke11 said:

DL very much lacks higher end talent outside of Hughes 

 

Which is why I'd love for them to trade for Clark and draft Oliver.

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31 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said:

Good post by the OP.  I think the Bills will draft a developmental OT in the 3rd or 4th rd.  This guy will be the 9th olineman.  If it goes well, this olineman will be the swing OT in 2020 and the starting RT in 2021.

 

I believe this is the strategy that will emerge more and more in the next few years.  Most of the OL signed this year are upgrades to what we had last year, are stopgap measures, but will eventually be replaced by young, cheap draft picks.

 

Bills OL guys:  Dawkins, Spain, Morse, Long, Nyseke, Waddle, Feliciano, Teller, OT Draft pick.

 

Cuts: Sirles, Ducasse, McDermott, Boettger

 

Your assessment is probably correct but it is only the 1st day of OTAs.

It's a long way off to final cuts.  Here's hoping that some of these young guys can make their dreams come true.

McDermott could push a guy like Waddle off the roster.

Boettger could find himself on the PS which could be an upgrade to a rookie UDFA.

 

You missed Bodine in your above projections.  I would put him in as a trade.

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23 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

I actually think some of your takes make you look clueless.  They got rid of guys that were not performing or do not have the attitude they want.

 

All FOs/HCs make mistakes.  What is clueless is pretending that Brandon/Beane/McDermott didn't make mistakes and attempting to defend those mistakes as "they got rid of guys that were not performing or do not have the attitude they want".

  • They allowed always productive, always hard-working WR Robert Woods leave in FA and then traded away Sammy Watkins.  They replaced them with Jordan Matthews and Kelvin Benjamin. 
  • They not only wasted a draft pick on Nathan Peterman, they compounded their error by trading away Taylor and naming Peterman the starter even though his play as a rookie was awful.  Then they kept Peterman as the backup to Allen for a month before they brought in another QB after Peterman demonstrated his incompetence yet again in the season opener.
14 hours ago, Green Lightning said:

No matter how you cut it the OP's line up is far better than last year's mess and it's only going to get better in the coming months. Beane set out to create competition for jobs and that is exactly what he did.

 

While what you said is true comparing last year and this year's rosters, that's only because last year's was so bad.  At present, we can all hope that the roster will improve on paper  with the draft but it's no guarantee that the Bills will be a better team on Opening Day 2019 than it was on Opening Day 2018 except that they'll be better at QB without Nathan Peterman on the roster.

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15 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

While what you said is true comparing last year and this year's rosters, that's only because last year's was so bad.  At present, we can all hope that the roster will improve on paper  with the draft but it's no guarantee that the Bills will be a better team on Opening Day 2019 than it was on Opening Day 2018 except that they'll be better at QB without Nathan Peterman on the roster.

 

Until the opening game of the season, the bolded can be said about every team.

LOL, it's the 1st day of OTAs........it's OK to be a little optimistic.

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Inigo 

 

Great post, again.  It proves your point very well.   

 

I think the people who are bemoaning the lack of high end talent are missing a few of the realities of this team.

 

1.  McD intends to win with a team concept.   He would tell you he doesn't need a lot of high end talent to win.

 

2.  Beane dies NOT use free agency to get high end talent. He did with Morse pretty much because the line was so weak he had no choice.   He says he fills holes with free agents and he  builds talent through the draft.  That means we have to wait for high end talent.  He added two in the draft last year and he will add one or two this year.  Yes, when an AB or a Clowney becomes available he will think about it, but he doesn't plan to add talent that way.

 

3.  Something was posted the other day about the o linemen coming out of college.  They have no skills, and they can get better only by sitting and practicing and eventually playing.  What I like about the free agent linemen is they have a lot of playing experience.  They know what it takes.  I think that will help a lot.  And if one of them gets cut because the Bills get a stud OT at 9, that's good news.

 

 

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2 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

All FOs/HCs make mistakes.  What is clueless is pretending that Brandon/Beane/McDermott didn't make mistakes and attempting to defend those mistakes as "they got rid of guys that were not performing or do not have the attitude they want".

  • They allowed always productive, always hard-working WR Robert Woods leave in FA and then traded away Sammy Watkins.  They replaced them with Jordan Matthews and Kelvin Benjamin. 
  • They not only wasted a draft pick on Nathan Peterman, they compounded their error by trading away Taylor and naming Peterman the starter even though his play as a rookie was awful.  Then they kept Peterman as the backup to Allen for a month before they brought in another QB after Peterman demonstrated his incompetence yet again in the season opener.

 

While what you said is true comparing last year and this year's rosters, that's only because last year's was so bad.  At present, we can all hope that the roster will improve on paper  with the draft but it's no guarantee that the Bills will be a better team on Opening Day 2019 than it was on Opening Day 2018 except that they'll be better at QB without Nathan Peterman on the roster.

I realize been should have brought Woods to the front office in Carolina to negotiate his Buffalo contract.😉  The more you type the more clueless you seem.  Woods agreed to a contract with the Rams in march of 2017, Beane became GM in May of 2017.  It has been stated on this bored repeatedly.  I guess that doesnt fit your narative though now does it.👍

 

I believe every move you mention that Beane is actually responsible for were good or at least reasonable.  Beane has already acknowledged the mistake with Benjamin.  As you said GMs are human they will make mistakes.

 

Sammy cant stay healthy and wasnt going to stay here as I also believe Woods had no interest in having TT as his QB.

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2 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Your assessment is probably correct but it is only the 1st day of OTAs.

It's a long way off to final cuts.  Here's hoping that some of these young guys can make their dreams come true.

McDermott could push a guy like Waddle off the roster.

Boettger could find himself on the PS which could be an upgrade to a rookie UDFA.

 

You missed Bodine in your above projections.  I would put him in as a trade.

No doubt.  A long way to go before cuts.  Conor McDermott is an interesting situation.  He's been here 2 years but hasn't played much.  Not sure what to think of him.  

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14 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said:

No doubt.  A long way to go before cuts.  Conor McDermott is an interesting situation.  He's been here 2 years but hasn't played much.  Not sure what to think of him.  

 

Guys in Conor's position have to prove it this year.

True he could go back to the PS but he will be turning 27 during the season and if he can't take it to the next level they could look elsewhere.

The thing I do like is guys like this will be totally in for this years competition.

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On 4/14/2019 at 3:19 AM, Haplo848 said:

I feel like it's important to point out that just because a guy got signed in FA, doesn't mean he'll make the team.  They brought guys in for competition, not as sure-fire roster spots.  It's not a sure bet for Senorise Perry, Duke Williams, or all of the FA linemen, both offense and defense, to make it.  To be honest, I'd be flabbergasted if all of them did.

You know that you have talent on the roster when you start cutting guys that make other teams rosters.....

 

We start releasing these offensive linemen...that is EXACTLY what is going to  happen

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