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1 hour ago, I am the egg man said:

Exhibit A for the Defense. Quid pro quo at its most obvious.

 

.....of course Dems and the Left act like a bunch of Mr. Magoo's regarding Joe bullying the Ukraine.

That's anti-corruption. You guys can only run on lies, as if this needs to be stated. 

 

Just like Trump saying he will protect those with pre existing conditions. All lies. 

 

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Foxx said:

what?? did i miss the removal of pre-existing coverage? :rolleyes:

No, John McCain, the courts and Blue States saved them! Trump tried, and failed, to kill that coverage. You seriously don't know that? 

 

Wow, it amazes me the strong opinions from people who don't have any facts. ?

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4 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

No, John McCain, the courts and Blue States saved them! Trump tried, and failed, to kill that coverage. You seriously don't know that? 

 

Wow, it amazes me the strong opinions from people who don't have any facts. ?

so... your admitting that your post, to which i responded with what is known as sarcasm, was disingenuous? gotcha! ;)

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1 minute ago, Foxx said:

so... your admitting that your post, to which i responded with what is known as sarcasm, was disingenuous? gotcha! ;)

No, i was pointing out how Trump was disingenuous in claiming he wants to protect that coverage. Do you agree? 

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Just now, Tiberius said:

No, i was pointing out how Trump was disingenuous in claiming he wants to protect that coverage. Do you agree? 

tibs... in order to claim what he said was a lie, he has to have done something. he wasn't able to have the ACA shot down and replaced with anything. so, to claim that he was lying is just plain disingenuous. additionally, contrary to your claim that he is lying, Trump has stated repeatedly that he would preserve coverage of pre-existing conditions (your claim of a lie). being that he has kept campaign promise after campaign promise, i believe him. you don't because, #orangemanbad narratives cloud your perceptions.

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Just now, Foxx said:

tibs... in order to claim what he said was a lie, he has to have done something. he wasn't able to have the ACA shot down and replaced with anything. so, to claim that he was lying is just plain disingenuous. additionally, contrary to your claim that he is lying, Trump has stated repeatedly that he would preserve coverage of pre-existing conditions (your claim of a lie). being that he has kept campaign promise after campaign promise, i believe him. you don't because, #orangemanbad narratives cloud your perceptions.

There was nothing to replace it with. Period! They just tried to kill it. What? He wanted a new Obamacare? Come on. 

 

 

If they killed it, it was dead. He is lying. 

And that's why its so ironic that it is mcCain that has saved the GOP from itself. Crazy! 

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22 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

There was nothing to replace it with. Period! They just tried to kill it. What? He wanted a new Obamacare? Come on. 

 

 

If they killed it, it was dead. He is lying. 

i guess you may have a point. however, i still believe he wants to replace a bad program with one that would be better suited. not having a replacement, i'm not sure how that would work. with regard to pre-existing conditions, that genie is out of the bottle now, there is no way it could be put back in. something would be implemented to ensure they were covered if the ACA were to be repealed. it would be suicide not to ensure that.

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Oh good lord.

 

The Ukraine thread now "squirreled up" with the famous Gator Lie............."They had no plans to replace Obamacare with" nonsense.

 

What next ?................"Right wingers don't care about the planet".................lol

 

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55 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

That's anti-corruption. You guys can only run on lies, as if this needs to be stated. 

 

Just like Trump saying he will protect those with pre existing conditions. All lies. 

 

 

 

 

Anti-corruption?  You really can't get out of your own way.  Pre-existing conditions, like keep your doctor?  

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5 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Oh, really. Well, perhaps you should see a doctor, because obviously--from what we have seen--you need help. 

 

 

 

  You giving the minutes from the last intervention done for your benefit?  Certainly it was kind of your neighbors and relatives.

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2 hours ago, B-Man said:

The Ukraine thread now "squirreled up" with the famous Gator Lie............."They had no plans to replace Obamacare with" nonsense.

 

What next ?................"Right wingers don't care about the planet".................lol

 

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Kudos to you, and others, who've shown civility towards Tibsteria.

 

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7 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Oh, really. Well, perhaps you should see a doctor, because obviously--from what we have seen--you need help.

 

Ouch. Not your strongest comeback, buddy.

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10 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

Ouch. Not your strongest comeback, buddy.

  I still think that he got his pink slip from his leftist org that he posted for.  It's not like he has gained any converts to justify a paycheck.  Maybe we could take him to Dave and Buster's for a couple of brews to drown his sorrows.  

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Below, from the account of: Office of the President of Ukraine

 

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Twitter Translated as: The President of Ukraine has received a resignation petition from Prime Minister Alexei Goncharuk. The Head of State will consider the said statement. The Office of the President of Ukraine will be informed separately about the results of the consideration.

 

An alternate spelling (or perhaps a slightly different translation) seems to be: Oleksiy Honcharuk , which is who is named in the below articles.

 

(All links removed, just in case, as per Foxx’s comments below)

 

 

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2 hours ago, fansince88 said:

Yes. But millions of Americans were taxed hundreds because they couldnt afford thousands for insurance. Thats not the America I want. 

Millions were saved by the law. Most people are in favor of their lives being saved 

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6 hours ago, Hedge said:

 

 

Below, from the account of: Office of the President of Ukraine

 

 

An alternate spelling (or perhaps a slightly different translation) seems to be: Oleksiy Honcharuk , which is who is named in the below articles.

 

The is the first I have heard anything about this, but these look to be what triggered it, released wiretaps/audio recordings:

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

 

 

 

thanks Hedge, good info.

 

also just a FYI, it may have been just me but that first link, 'Part 1', attacked my computer. thank goodness for Norton.

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22 minutes ago, Foxx said:

thanks Hedge, good info.

 

also just a FYI, it may have been just me but that first link, 'Part 1', attacked my computer. thank goodness for Norton.

So now TBD is being targeted by foreign foes for its political content ?

 

Wonder who the whistle blower is ?

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43 minutes ago, Foxx said:

thanks Hedge, good info.

 

also just a FYI, it may have been just me but that first link, 'Part 1', attacked my computer. thank goodness for Norton.


Apologies, if so. I edited to remove that one. I didn’t get any negative hits on it last night (at least that were displayed, also using Norton).

 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Millions were saved by the law. Most people are in favor of their lives being saved 

Nobody couldnt buy insurance before the law. They couldnt afford it before the law. Difference is after the law they couldnt afford it yet they had to buy it or pay the penalty. My nephew was laid off in the beginning of November 6 years ago. Took him 3 weeks to get unemployment. When he got his check he had to decide if he should pay for insurance and not eat or pay a fine the following year. 1 month without insurance cost him his tax return the following year. Keep living in your "everything is free" lala land. It isnt so!

Just now, Tiberius said:

Nope. Don't need one. And the more factual it would be the more you will reject it. Go read DRs lies, you like those better 

You dont have a link because it doesnt exist.

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4 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Nope. Don't need one. And the more factual it would be the more you will reject it. Go read DRs lies, you like those better 

 

Just curious what lies you think I've shared? 

 

Was it a lie to say, from the start, that Trump/Russia was fiction? Nope. Turns out that was entirely true. 

Was it a lie to say, from the beginning, that elements of the USIC was working to illegally spy on the candidate/president in an attempted coup? Nope. Turns out that was true.

Was it a lie to say, from the beginning, that the fix was in for Clinton's election in 2016? Nope. Turns out it was, as we've seen unfold over the course of the last three years. 

 

Have I gotten some details wrong in regards to the biggest, most complex scandal in US/world political history? Absolutely. I'm just one guy wading through an ocean of spin. But would any logical person classify those as lies? I wouldn't, as they weren't intentional and when shown to be wrong I've always done my best to own it.

 

A bigger question: You're so upset about lies, I wonder why you haven't lashed out at CNN/MSNBC/Fox/CBS/ABC/NYTs/WaPo et al , or Schiff, Schumer, Pelosi et al, who all lied to you, intentionally, for three years about Trump being a Russian agent. In fact, you're not upset by these lies, as you still believe them to be true. 

 

"It's easier to fool someone than convince to them they have been fooled."

Twain

 

You should tattoo that to your forehead. 

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15 minutes ago, fansince88 said:

Nobody couldnt buy insurance before the law. They couldnt afford it before the law. Difference is after the law they couldnt afford it yet they had to buy it or pay the penalty. My nephew was laid off in the beginning of November 6 years ago. Took him 3 weeks to get unemployment. When he got his check he had to decide if he should pay for insurance and not eat or pay a fine the following year. 1 month without insurance cost him his tax return the following year. Keep living in your "everything is free" lala land. It isnt so!

You dont have a link because it doesnt exist.

No, millions can now afford it, go see a doctor and get health care. Period. All your bull sh it is just that.

6 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Just curious what lies you think I've shared? 

 

Was it a lie to say, from the start, that Trump/Russia was fiction? Nope. Turns out that was entirely true. 

 

Trump and Russia is not fiction, so there is your lie. I suppose Trump jr didn't meet with Russian at Trump Tower, Trump didn't side with Putin over our intelligence agencies (Your deep state garbage) Trump didn't destroy notes of his meetings with Putin, excuse Putin, praise Putin and try and get his murderous ass back in G-8, no, none of it. 

 

 

You are a lying sack of crap. You lie constantly, just like Trump. 

8 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Just curious what lies you think I've shared? 

 

  

Was it a lie to say, from the beginning, that elements of the USIC was working to illegally spy on the candidate/president in an attempted coup? Nope. Turns out that was true.

Aside from inspector general you praised saying that didn't happen, sure you are completely right! ?

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10 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

Was it a lie to say, from the beginning, that the fix was in for Clinton's election in 2016? Nope. Turns out it was, as we've seen unfold over the course of the last three years. 

 

 

Oh ya, you mean how the FBI announced right before the election they were investigating Hillary? Oh ya, that sure shows they were in the tank for her. 

 

 

Anyone that believes anything you say has to be drunk, brain damaged, desperate or a plain old sh it eater. FU! 

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6 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Trump and Russia is not fiction, so there is your lie

 

Bob Mueller and three other investigations disagree. 

 

It was never real. No collusion, no conspiracy. No connection. 

 

You've been had. And the funny part is, you know you've been had. But you can't back down from your position.

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55 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Bob Mueller and three other investigations disagree. 

 

It was never real. No collusion, no conspiracy. No connection. 

 

You've been had. And the funny part is, you know you've been had. But you can't back down from your position.

No, Mueller stated they could not prove the conspiracy, and all the obstruction of justice they listed explains why. Trump was even too scared to testify under oath. SO you are lying, again 

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