IDBillzFan Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 22 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: My second year in college, as editor for the school's newspaper, I got wind of a group of educators trying to get the campus pub shut down. I interviewed various members of the group, who all denied they had any intentions of closing the pub. We ran an article with a huge headline: GROUP DENIES PUB CLOSING. The next day in journalism class, I got taken to the woodshed by the teacher. He spent the entire class explaining to everyone that what I did was a lot of things, but journalism wasn't one of them. It was humiliating, but the lesson was learned. Appears to be an irrelevant point these days. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 On 5/28/2019 at 9:19 AM, B-Man said: Let’s call the Russian collusion ‘hoax’ what it really is by Roger Kimball Original Article Why isn't the Trump Tower meeting in the evidence box? Why isn't the Trump Moscow Hotel in that box? The 100 meetings with Russian officials? The changing of the foreign policy? You guys live in make believe land.... Trump Land, where a sucker is born every minute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Why isn't the Trump Tower meeting in the evidence box? (Because it was a set up, not organic) Why isn't the Trump Moscow Hotel in that box? (Because it was never built, it doesn't exist.) The 100 meetings with Russian officials? (Because this isn't illegal nor problematic) The changing of the foreign policy? (This never happened.) You guys live in make believe land.... Trump Land, where a sucker is born every minute But details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 MUELLER REPORT -- NO COLLUSION 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Why isn't the Trump Tower meeting in the evidence box? Why isn't the Trump Moscow Hotel in that box? The 100 meetings with Russian officials? The changing of the foreign policy? You guys live in make believe land.... Trump Land, where a sucker is born every minute Gator responds 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: But details. And so many more! The IG report stated that many people used emails in the government like Hillary did. Heck, the Trump people still are! 1 minute ago, B-Man said: MUELLER REPORT -- NO COLLUSION Gator responds Nope, just countering your blatant lies. Why do you lie and post fake news so much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 11 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: I lean this way as well. Here's my pre-coffee analysis: I<snip> Is this going to be as punctual as a Bills' news conference? If so, I'll have time for a couple cups of coffee. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGee Return TD Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 12 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: I lean this way as well. Here's my pre-coffee analysis: It's one of two options: 1) He wants to do damage to Barr's/Trump's narrative by subtly dropping a line or two which will encourage Congress to push harder. or 2) He wants to save some face and put a ribbon on his part of this saga so he can move on. If he wanted to do 1, he would testify openly. This statement says to me he has no plan to testify publicly. If he wanted to do 1, he'd take questions from the media and likely work with a reporter to plant/ask the right leading question to allow him to "go off script" enough to drop some red meat. I think it's 2. He is going to save whatever face he can, and then essentially say his part is over. Which makes sense for the roll out plan going on right now with Barr. If Barr were to start to declassify documents before Mueller ever spoke in public, there would be a BIG backlash (there will be a backlash regardless, but this would give their opponents more merit to their arguments). But now Mueller will speak, say what he'll say, and then Barr will be clear to move on to the next steps. If it's number 2, then it's Barr forcing Mueller to give this press conference. I don't think that's the case. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 That's a ridiculous statement to conclude Barr is forcing him Did Barr force Mueller to write a report which proved Conspiracy/Collusion was a lie from the start and never happened too? Does Mueller have any independence or autonomy at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 I bet Mueller introduces himself and then immediately starts speaking Russian. He will say, 'The coup is now complete' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Here we go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Closing the special counsel office He's leaving the DOJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Obstruction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: That's a ridiculous statement to conclude Barr is forcing him Did Barr force Mueller to write a report which proved Conspiracy/Collusion was a lie from the start and never happened too? Does Mueller have any independence or autonomy at all? The famed arm Barr... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 He's 74? He sounds a lot older. "insufficient evidence to charge" V1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Love to see the evidence they did find on conspiracy Not allowed to charge a president Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Did not make a determination... nice. He's something else. Now he's saying that a President cannot be charged. My question: if you cannot do that? Why investigate it? V2 - all about impeachment! (as long suspected) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Did not make a determination... nice. He's something else. Now he's saying that a President cannot be charged. My question: if you cannot do that? Why investigate it? To preserve the evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 12 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Did not make a determination... nice. He's something else. Now he's saying that a President cannot be charged. My question: if you cannot do that? Why investigate it? helps pay for the college fund of the kids for the 146 full time people for two years, and they did nothing of use or consequence at all investigators carry on with bogus cases for years, all the time when we beat them in court they chuckle and say it paid their salaries and exepenses, ho ho ho.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 So, Mueller gave what he intends to be his only statement on the matter. Says the report should speak for itself (no collusion, no conspiracy). He said he couldn't charge Trump with obstruction so they didn't consider it -- and left a window for Congress to pursue. Now the fun can really begin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Sweeping and systematic attack on our election by Russia to help Trump Just now, Deranged Rhino said: So, Mueller gave what he intends to be his only statement on the matter. Says the report should speak for itself (no collusion, no conspiracy). He said he couldn't charge Trump with obstruction so they didn't consider it -- and left a window for Congress to pursue. Now the fun can really begin. Not enough evidence they could use in court. But there was a conspiracy, we all know that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 The media will run with this though: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Not enough evidence they could use in court. But there was a conspiracy, we all know that He said if they thought he committed a crime they would have said so. So, you're wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Apparently someone is watching a different press conference 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 (edited) So Barr released more of the report than Mueller wanted but Dems say Barr withheld report info? /SMH We conducted an independent criminal investigation and reported the results to the Attorney General—as required by Department regulations. The Attorney General then concluded that it was appropriate to provide our report to Congress and the American people. At one point in time I requested that certain portions of the report be released. The Attorney General preferred to make the entire report public all at once. We appreciate that the Attorney General made the report largely public. I do not question the Attorney General’s good faith in that decision. Edited May 29, 2019 by Uncle Joe quote added 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: So, Mueller gave what he intends to be his only statement on the matter. Says the report should speak for itself (no collusion, no conspiracy). He said he couldn't charge Trump with obstruction so they didn't consider it -- and left a window for Congress to pursue. Which is entirely reasonable, actually. The whole report should have been portrayed that way - "we can't criminally indict a sitting president, but Congress can impeach him, which process this report serves to inform." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 oh please start an impeachment process no wait, don't, please don't throw Brer Trump in the briar patch... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Just now, DC Tom said: Which is entirely reasonable, actually. The whole report should have been portrayed that way - "we can't criminally indict a sitting president, but Congress can impeach him, which process this report serves to inform." Correct. It's also a bear trap for Congress. Let them walk into it. Expect a response/counter from Trump today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: He said if they thought he committed a crime they would have said so. So, you're wrong. No, he said they couldn't establish enough evidence to be used in court. There was a conspiracy, anyone saying there wasn't (Mueller isn't saying that) a conspiracy is lying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Sweeping and systematic attack on our election by Russia to help Trump They made a Facebook page. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Correct. It's also a bear trap for Congress. Let them walk into it. Expect a response/counter from Trump today. Not yet, still time to wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Just now, Tiberius said: No, he said they couldn't establish enough evidence to be used in court. There was a conspiracy, anyone saying there wasn't (Mueller isn't saying that) a conspiracy is lying Innocent until proven guilty. He's a prosecutor. If he doesn't have enough evidence it means he's innocent. Unless you're pushing a complete reversal of our judicial system? Just now, Tiberius said: Not yet, still time to wait... If they wait, the declass will bury them. If they go forward, the declass will bury them. They are ***** either way, they've already lost. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Just now, 4merper4mer said: They made a Facebook page. Hacking people's personal emails and releasing them. Think about how much info Trump is hiding now. Hillary was robbed by Russia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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B-Man Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 2 years..........................................35 million dollars..........................................insufficient evidence . 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: Innocent until proven guilty. He's a prosecutor. If he doesn't have enough evidence it means he's innocent. Unless you're pushing a complete reversal of our judicial system? If they wait, the declass will bury them. If they go forward, the declass will bury them. They are ***** either way, they've already lost. Oh no, impeachment will be fine. It will be the Movie of the Mueller Report. Senate won't convict, but the damage of Trump will be done. If the Dems are smart they will use impeachment to smash Trump down so he walks into 2020 a dead man walking (and tweeting garbage) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 There was nothing said that wasn't in the report. The report still stands... No collusion/conspiracy. And punted on obstruction. Barr ruled on obstruction, that's over from a legal stand point. The only thing left is politics. And who has the better hand? The congress or Trump and the FBI/DOJ/CIA/NSA? Game on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 1 minute ago, B-Man said: 2 years..........................................35 million dollars..........................................insufficient evidence . And obstruction of justice, yup, that's all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 15 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: They made a Facebook page. 90% of the budget was spent on this one.... must have caused an unfair shift in at least 45 Electoral College votes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 17 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Obstruction In your bowels? Most unpleasant I am sure of that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 "If I clearly saw he did not commit a crime, I would have stated so" Just now, RochesterRob said: In your bowels? Most unpleasant I am sure of that. Gas Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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