row_33 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 13 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: We really don't need the report at all. Mueller and several Trump haters spent almost 2 years investigating Russian interference and they charged people with crimes along the way. Those indictments, their nature, the court filings supporting them and the lack of prosecutions related to the broadly reported suspicions tell us everything we should know and none of that is filtered through the media or elected officials. no leaks either, anything close to evidence would have been leaked to the media in a nanosecond the last 2 years 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Yahoo breaking news ...BARR STONEWALLING CONGRESS wait wait "Kim Kardassian is wearing whaaaaaaaat, Oh no she didn't!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 34 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Why wouldn't I? This isn't partisan with me like it is with you. This has been a 2 1/2 year search for truth initiated by DR and initially disbelieved by a lot of us here. Between DR's information and some independent research, I finally came around to the conclusion that there was some illegal deep state shenanigans and a coup attempt. Next time you come down here you should do it with something more than foolish MSM and Leftist talking points to make your case. You've come down here several times and started a shitstorm based on ignorance. Is your memory so bad that you don't recognize that you'll be made a fool of if you come down here again unarmed? You know, when I came down here I was shocked, truly shocked. I expected it to be a bunch of TDS lefty loons who believed that "Mueller will provide" the means to "get Trump!". I was hesitant to even look in PPP nevermind post down in this dungeon. And I got called an alter ego of @Deranged Rhino almost immediately (I should be so well informed!) because I knew what scummy shitbags Hillary Clinton, the Obama administration, the DNC, the MSM, and the collaborative deep staters were, and I hopped in quickly with my opinion expressing that with a few supporting articles and facts (well, I've always tried to be nicer than a name-caller). For me, it has always been about exposing the swamp and the MSM for the partisan hacks they are - and my very real belief that the United States "as we know it" was done if this cronyism was not exposed (I never, ever expected what has been found!). Treason is not a term to be used loosely, and yet that is exactly what appears to have happened... but not by President Trump. This really was a soft-coup attempt. And now it is time-up for the conspirators. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Bob in Mich said: I did provide an example. The opioid crisis remains unaddressed and is now supposedly because 'drugs are pouring over the southern border'. Certainly much supply is coming in there but the problem of hooking new users belongs squarely here. Trump has vilified immigrants for this problem. Demand is what needs to be addressed, imo. Trump's administration has failed here. Yes, I agree Trump is all about business succeeding. While businesses drive our economy and their success is hugely important for all of us, in the minds of many of us, business concerns should not always rise above all other concerns. Many Americans think that climate change should be a concern, the environment should be a concern, our moral high ground should be a concern, caring for the elderly, refugees, and the less fortunate should be a concern, etc. 'Run like a business', yes to an extent though cutting the dead wood is essentially cutting Americans or their causes that are slowing us down. This has resulted in many Americans thinking that Trump does not care about them or their wishes. The president needs to take care of all Americans. He should cast no Americans overboard in the name of streamlining. Wait so Trump is blaming our opioid crisis on Mexicans? So Trump in blaming people becoming hooked on Mexicans? Quite the leap there Bob. Who is Trump blaming for not addressing the demand? Would that be the Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Muslims? Regarding the highlighted. Just because a lot of people think that Trump doesn't care for them or their wishes doesn't mean that it's true. It's not the Presidents job to "take care" of all Americans. Again, what does that even mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: Why wouldn't I? This isn't partisan with me like it is with you. This has been a 2 1/2 year search for truth initiated by DR and initially disbelieved by a lot of us here. Between DR's information and some independent research, I finally came around to the conclusion that there was some illegal deep state shenanigans and a coup attempt. Next time you come down here you should do it with something more than foolish MSM and Leftist talking points to make your case. You've come down here several times and started a shitstorm based on ignorance. Is your memory so bad that you don't recognize that you'll be made a fool of if you come down here again unarmed? Holy &^%^ing ^%$^ batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bob in Mich Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 12 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Wait so Trump is blaming our opioid crisis on Mexicans? So Trump in blaming people becoming hooked on Mexicans? Quite the leap there Bob. Who is Trump blaming for not addressing the demand? Would that be the Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Muslims? Regarding the highlighted. Just because a lot of people think that Trump doesn't care for them or their wishes doesn't mean that it's true. It's not the Presidents job to "take care" of all Americans. Again, what does that even mean? Yes, Trump is trying to blame our problems and his failures on others. Not a leap at all. Trump is now blaming our opiate problem on drugs pouring over the southern border. Well, just to refresh, this is where the discussion with you began. Jim asked: 1. What majority of Americans does Trump hate? 2. Why does he hate them? 3. What are you basing that statement on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: Yes, Trump is trying to blame our problems and his failures on others. Not a leap at all. Trump is now blaming our opiate problem on drugs pouring over the southern border. Well, just to refresh, this is where the discussion with you began. Jim asked: 1. What majority of Americans does Trump hate? 2. Why does he hate them? 3. What are you basing that statement on? Actually he asked for specifics: 2 hours ago, Chef Jim said: Ok so let's address some of this: 1. You say that Trump blames others when HE fails. I think he's blaming others when WE as a country fail or more to the point have challenges succeeding. Please point out a Trump failure that he has blamed on: A. Mexicans B. Puerto Ricans C. Muslims D. Other foreigners 2. Explain who Trump has "cast off in life boats"? What does that even mean? All those examples you site were done to help the country and improve the economy not hurt people. Were people hurt by some of those? Likely but these are being done or considered, in my opinion and I'm assuming Trump's, for the greater good of the country. It's how business works and we need to look at this country more as a business. The old addition by subtraction. Cut costs and streamline. It's how you succeed. The US has a P&L statement just like any company but it's the most ugly P&L statement ever created in the history of P&L's statements. Yes, yes I know the US is not a for profit company but damn unless we cut costs we are so screwed. You wont provide specifics... Wonder why? (no I don't) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: Yes, Trump is trying to blame our problems and his failures on others. Not a leap at all. Trump is now blaming our opiate problem on drugs pouring over the southern border. Well, just to refresh, this is where the discussion with you began. Jim asked: 1. What majority of Americans does Trump hate? 2. Why does he hate them? 3. What are you basing that statement on? Yes and you responded by saying Trump blames his failures on Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Muslims and Other Foreigners. When I asked for specific instances you gave some story about him blaming our opioid addition on the border. First question. Is the opioid epidemic HIS failure? If so how? Next who is he blaming for this failure? Would that be Mexicans, Salvadorans, Hodurans, Nicaraguans.......? And if so please point out where he SPECIFICALLY blamed the opioid epidemic on those. You're so bunged up about our national addiction to prescribed narcotics that it is the root of every problem. So other than the opioid epidemic what other failures is he blaming on others? Edited April 9, 2019 by Chef Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Special counsel Robert Mueller has settled the collusion issue, concluding (like House and Senate Intelligence committee Republicans before him) that there was no Trump-Russia conspiracy. But Barr used a question from Rep. Robert Aderholt (R-Ala.) to signal that he wants to go further than Mueller or the IG to determine whether the counterintelligence probe was legit from the start. “The Office of the Inspector General has a pending investigation of the FISA process in the Russia investigation. I expect that will be complete in probably May or June, I am told,” Barr explained, giving the first concrete timetable for the IG probe to wrap up. “So hopefully we'll have some answers from Inspector General Horowitz on the issue of the FISA warrants.” Then Barr volunteered his bigger news: “More generally, I am reviewing the conduct of the investigation and trying to get my arms around all the aspects of the counterintelligence investigation that was conducted during the summer of 2016.” 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 (It can't be stopped) 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: (It can't be stopped) How will the conspiracy theorists at MSNBC and CNN cover this up and/or totally ignore it? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 1 hour ago, njbuff said: How will the conspiracy theorists at MSNBC and CNN cover this up and/or totally ignore it? Don't you know? Barr was cherry picked by Trump, whose only in the White House because he colluded with Putin- which is true and will remain true until I see the Mueller report in it's full, at which point I will demand to see the Mueller report that wasn't doctored by Trump, Don Jr. and Barr. It's all fruit from the poison tree and Hillary won the Presidency and the Electoral College is racist and I hate white people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted April 10, 2019 Author Share Posted April 10, 2019 BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Things gonna get interesting... very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 And now the NYT is in panic mode: (worth the time for the whole thread) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 And the spin begins: She should be worried. This won't fly. Gonna have to do better. Can't wait to see which buzzword is repeated in tomorrow morning's media drops... (if only there was some way to have seen this coming) 2 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted April 10, 2019 Author Share Posted April 10, 2019 NYT did a crappy job of following up beyond the testimony Barr dropped on the panel today. It wasn’t just wiretapping Page. They completely ignore the 2-deep circle that would allow them to wiretap everyone in the Trump camp. And, not for the last time, I’ll ask: If Carter Page was a “Russian Spy,” then why was he never apprehended and charged and imprisoned? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Nanker said: NYT did a crappy job of following up beyond the testimony Barr dropped on the panel today. It wasn’t just wiretapping Page. They completely ignore the 2-deep circle that would allow them to wiretap everyone in the Trump camp. And, not for the last time, I’ll ask: If Carter Page was a “Russian Spy,” then why was he never apprehended and charged and imprisoned? Both are key questions to ask/be reminded of. The most infuriating part of this whole saga for me has been the complete abandonment of principles on the left/independent circles with regards to mass surveillance over reach. I'm talking about the honest, well intentioned minds in those crowds, not the pundits. They were rightfully outraged in 2013 when Snowden revealed what many had already known about the powers and abuses in the mass surveillance apparatus. Whether or not you like Trump or despise him, what happened in the 2016 election (or almost happened) was the absolute worst case scenario in terms of abusing that system. A handful of intelligence officials and politicians abused the system to spy on their political opposition, and when that failed, to overturn the results of a legal election. I really thought (and still have some hope) that as those people start to wake up to the lie that's been foisted upon them over the past two years this would become a unifying issue. It still may, we're still in the early days of the boomerang/disclosure of how egregious these abuses were to the general public. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: I really thought (and still have some hope) that as those people start to wake up to the lie that's been foisted upon them over the past two years this would become a unifying issue. It still may, we're still in the early days of the boomerang/disclosure of how egregious these abuses were to the general public. And I've always thought you've been delusional in that regard. The whole history of this is people choosing what they want to believe. Not any objective truth. There is no indication that's changing. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, DC Tom said: And I've always thought you've been delusional in that regard. The whole history of this is people choosing what they want to believe. Not any objective truth. There is no indication that's changing. They were ready to steal everything their grubby hands could carry away under 8 years of Hillary’s Administration and it’s all gone and they can’t deal with it So they are going to piss on everything they can imagine to try to destroy Edited April 10, 2019 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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