BillsSB2020 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 28 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: Why would you pay 17M a year for a WR when Josh Allen, along with most of the roster, are not in position to contend for SB's at this stage? We might be legit and consistent contenders in 2-3 years, when AB's contract would expire. So, pay that money just to let him mentor young receivers? And give up draft picks to boot? It was gonna be one or the other IMO. Big $, or Big draft picks. We aren't in position to do both and expect Big results. Therefore, I'm happy Beane looked into it, and content with him walking away Because it would give Allen a PRIME weapon and boost his career trajectory? I'm still a BIT on the fence about Allen, so I'd hate to go into next season still whining about the supporting cast. The sooner we confirm we've got the franchise QB, the better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, BillsSB2020 said: Because it would give Allen a PRIME weapon and boost his career trajectory? I'm still a BIT on the fence about Allen, so I'd hate to go into next season still whining about the supporting cast. The sooner we confirm we've got the franchise QB, the better. Absolutely. Which is why they made the call in the 1st place. There is no denying what he can do on the field. His baggage is what makes the guaranteed money such a risk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Just now, BillsSB2020 said: Because it would give Allen a PRIME weapon and boost his career trajectory? I'm still a BIT on the fence about Allen, so I'd hate to go into next season still whining about the supporting cast. The sooner we confirm we've got the franchise QB, the better. IMO the cost was too high for the possibility that it would help Allen's career trajectory. It could have been a blow to his career as much as a help. First time Josh overthrew him, would he run his mouth and berate the young QB? In house, in media..wherever? It would take reps to get on the same page with AB as much as it would a stud WR via the draft. At a much cheaper cost I might add.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: IMO the cost was too high for the possibility that it would help Allen's career trajectory. It could have been a blow to his career as much as a help. First time Josh overthrew him, would he run his mouth and berate the young QB? In house, in media..wherever? It would take reps to get on the same page with AB as much as it would a stud WR via the draft. At a much cheaper cost I might add.... I'll be fine if we actually land that stud WR. There are certainly no guarantees. To the point, I think if JA is the guy, AB wouldn't be able to derail his career via psychological mumbo jumbo. Overall, I would have liked the move, but whatever. I don't want to let yet another season pass with a crap supporting cast and more excuses than victories. Bottom line; they really need to hit on the WR they choose in the draft. I'm impressed that Beane went outside the character box, so that's the silver lining for me personally. Edited March 10, 2019 by BillsSB2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Juice_32 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, mannc said: Absurd. There have been plenty of highly productive WRs over 30 recently: Larry Fitz, AJ Green, Julio Jones...oh, wait, a 32 year old WR just won the Super Bowl MVP! Brown’s really has no drop off since turning 30. It’s ridiculous to assume he won’t be really good for at least 2 more years. And if you’re still arguing that WR is a “complementary” position, then the NFL passed you by a long time ago. More power to ya if you’d pay $54 million for 2 good years with that headcase. How much does Edelman make? How many titles do those other guys have? Thanks for proving my point. All factors considered, I’m glad AB is not a Bill. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 15 minutes ago, BillsSB2020 said: Because it would give Allen a PRIME weapon and boost his career trajectory? I'm still a BIT on the fence about Allen, so I'd hate to go into next season still whining about the supporting cast. The sooner we confirm we've got the franchise QB, the better. I'd rather not give Allen a guy who couldn't make it work with one of the best franchises and a HOF QB. 2 minutes ago, PIZ said: <br /> That much is obvious. And that the Raiders were the only team interested once the Bills bowed-out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Juice_32 said: More power to ya if you’d pay $54 million for 2 good years with that headcase. How much does Edelman make? How many titles do those other guys have? Thanks for proving my point. All factors considered, I’m glad AB is not a Bill. I think the Patriots dynasty has skewed the way some people view the league. Every BB disciple that landed a HC'ing gig has tried to implement the "Patriot Way" and every one has failed. It's folly to try to duplicate what the Pats have done. The Bills need to create their own identity. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Doc said: I'd rather not give Allen a guy who couldn't make it work with one of the best franchises and a HOF QB. That much is obvious. And that the Raiders were the only team interested once the Bills bowed-out. It just surprises me that Beane would attempt to add that kind of player to this team. Seems to go against what they are trying to build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 28 minutes ago, Doc said: They're trying to sell tickets for their new move. You know, Doc, that begs a question, Where ARE the Raiders playing this season? They must know. I’m sure the NFL would like to know, since the schedule comes out next month. Will they be sharing a stadium with Berkeley? Stanford? UCLA? I wonder if Antonio bothered to ask. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, BillsSB2020 said: I think the Patriots dynasty has skewed the way some people view the league. Every BB disciple that landed a HC'ing gig has tried to implement the "Patriot Way" and every one has failed. It's folly to try to duplicate what the Pats have done. The Bills need to create their own identity. They don't have an Ernie Adams. 2 minutes ago, The Senator said: You know, Doc, that begs a question, Where ARE the Raiders playing this season? They must know. I’m sure the NFL would like to know, since the schedule comes out next month. Will they be sharing a stadium with Berkeley? Stanford? UCLA? I wonder if Antonio bothered to ask. I believe they're still playing in Oakland. But I don't know for sure. Edited March 10, 2019 by Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Hey, they tried and that’s the most important thing!!! it was a stupid idea in the first place. Of course AB would hate a trade to the Bills. All that was accomplished was the Bills and Buffalo getting laughed at. Great move! This regime is so overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, Doc said: I believe they're still playing in Oakland. That’s not finalized and, like the Bills trade for AB, could fall apart... https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/amp/Raiders-fans-going-away-party-put-on-ice-13675495.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/raiders/article/Raiders-new-Coliseum-deal-hits-last-minute-snag-13667708.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 13 minutes ago, Juice_32 said: More power to ya if you’d pay $54 million for 2 good years with that headcase. How much does Edelman make? How many titles do those other guys have? Thanks for proving my point. All factors considered, I’m glad AB is not a Bill. Yes, you'd be paying AB for 2-3 years. That's the Bills window to make a Super Bowl run while Allen is still on his rookie deal. It's highly unlikely that they will be able to find a rookie this year or next who would come close matching AB's production during that 2-3 year window. That's why you make the deal. Of course there's risk, but there really isn't any evidence that Brown's performance is going to fall off a cliff in that time period. He is in great physical condition and really has never been hurt, other than the time Vontae Burfect took his head off. And yes, Brown was a pain in the ass this past year, when he was trying to get a new deal and, frankly, when he started losing targets to JuJu Smith-Schuster, but he's been in the league a long time and he didn't really have a history of that sort of behavior. I would look for Beane to bounce back by possibly making a play for OBJ or Julio Jones. 10 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Hey, they tried and that’s the most important thing!!! it was a stupid idea in the first place. Of course AB would hate a trade to the Bills. All that was accomplished was the Bills and Buffalo getting laughed at. Great move! This regime is so overrated. It wasn't a stupid idea, but it's unfortunate that it leaked out the way it did. It was an embarrassment for sure, but I'm not sure that's OBD's fault. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 11 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Hey, they tried and that’s the most important thing!!! it was a stupid idea in the first place. Of course AB would hate a trade to the Bills. All that was accomplished was the Bills and Buffalo getting laughed at. Great move! This regime is so overrated. It was anything but stupid. What was stupid was Rapoport's premature report. But we'll see who ends up looking stupid after this: the Bills or the Raiders. Just now, mannc said: Yes, you'd be paying AB for 2-3 years. That's the Bills window to make a Super Bowl run while Allen is still on his rookie deal. It's highly unlikely that they will be able to find a rookie this year or next who would come close matching AB's production during that 2-3 year window. That's why you make the deal. Of course there's risk, but there really isn't any evidence that Brown's performance is going to fall off a cliff in that time period. He is in great physical condition and really has never been hurt, other than the time Vontae Burfect took his head off. And yes, Brown was a pain in the ass this past year, when he was trying to get a new deal and, frankly, when he started losing targets to JuJu Smith-Schuster, but he's been in the league a long time and he didn't really have a history of that sort of behavior. I would look for Beane to bounce back by possibly making a play for OBJ or Julio Jones. AB won't have a HOF QB throwing to him. That's a good reason why his numbers might (and IMHO will) decline. As for not having a history, I think the "Dancing with the Stars" thing made him start looking at life beyond the NFL. Again if he couldn't make it work with the Steelers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, mannc said: Yes, you'd be paying AB for 2-3 years. That's the Bills window to make a Super Bowl run while Allen is still on his rookie deal. It's highly unlikely that they will be able to find a rookie this year or next who would come close matching AB's production during that 2-3 year window. That's why you make the deal. Of course there's risk, but there really isn't any evidence that Brown's performance is going to fall off a cliff in that time period. He is in great physical condition and really has never been hurt, other than the time Vontae Burfect took his head off. And yes, Brown was a pain in the ass this past year, when he was trying to get a new deal and, frankly, when he started losing targets to JuJu Smith-Schuster, but he's been in the league a long time and he didn't really have a history of that sort of behavior. I would look for Beane to bounce back by possibly making a play for OBJ or Julio Jones. It wasn't a stupid idea, but it's unfortunate that it leaked out the way it did. It was an embarrassment for sure, but I'm not sure that's OBD's fault. If you listen to the AB interview, the thing that stuck in his craw was the public criticism/excuse making by Ben (However you spell his last name). Always been flamboyant, but never once heard a negative word about his football character before 2018 when the Steelers became a circus. Didn't work out, but I'm glad they tried. If they do go after OBJ or JJ, which I'd love, they damn well better find out if they wanna come to the B-LO. Cannot take another PR hit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Doc said: I AB won't have a HOF QB throwing to him. That's a good reason why his numbers might (and IMHO will) decline. I actually think AB's numbers might go up in Oakland. Carr is still a pretty good QB and AB will definitely be Option 1, unlike this past year in Pittsburgh where he still put up 15 TDs in 15 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 25 minutes ago, BillsSB2020 said: I think the Patriots dynasty has skewed the way some people view the league. Every BB disciple that landed a HC'ing gig has tried to implement the "Patriot Way" and every one has failed. It's folly to try to duplicate what the Pats have done. The Bills need to create their own identity. No the Patriots laid out a blue print. If you want a dynasty that is the way to do it. It’s just really difficult to duplicate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, mannc said: Yes, you'd be paying AB for 2-3 years. That's the Bills window to make a Super Bowl run while Allen is still on his rookie deal. It's highly unlikely that they will be able to find a rookie this year or next who would come close matching AB's production during that 2-3 year window. That's why you make the deal. Of course there's risk, but there really isn't any evidence that Brown's performance is going to fall off a cliff in that time period. He is in great physical condition and really has never been hurt, other than the time Vontae Burfect took his head off. And yes, Brown was a pain in the ass this past year, when he was trying to get a new deal and, frankly, when he started losing targets to JuJu Smith-Schuster, but he's been in the league a long time and he didn't really have a history of that sort of behavior. I would look for Beane to bounce back by possibly making a play for OBJ or Julio Jones. It wasn't a stupid idea, but it's unfortunate that it leaked out the way it did. It was an embarrassment for sure, but I'm not sure that's OBD's fault. Food for thought...no QB playing within his first 3 years has won a SuperBowl in, at the very least,decades. It doesn't matter if Josh is on his rookie deal or not. What matters is if he is a Franchise QB or not? And if so, he will be extended. A rookie contract does not, and has not, made a damn in regards to any window Edited March 10, 2019 by BuffAlone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 29 minutes ago, Juice_32 said: More power to ya if you’d pay $54 million for 2 good years with that headcase. How much does Edelman make? How many titles do those other guys have? Thanks for proving my point. All factors considered, I’m glad AB is not a Bill. Fitz, AJ Green, Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, Brown, ODB, Hopkins, Brown, etc. Great WRs do not make teams good. You'd think, if having a stud WR led to success more teams would be willing to pay them like QBs. The truth is that WRs are product of the scheme and QB most of the time. They do not lead to wins on their own and the highest paid one eat up a lot of cap while not contributing in the same way as other highly paid players. If having a stud WR was a necessity in this league you'd think that one of those guys would have won something when most of them were on bad teams their entire careers. The best teams consistently have top QBs and good defenses. WR are plugged in 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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