Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Maybe Trump decides to get back to the new normal that includes taking more precautions while we work, and that prevents a lot more deaths from suicide and poverty than we will have from the virus. Communists haven't ever met a bread line they didn't like. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 1 hour ago, jrober38 said: Wait and see. Trump will reopen the economy in two weeks and he'll accept that the consequences of doing so will mean more people will die. They'll be making a choice, and it will involve choosing to kill more people than is necessary just to save the stock market. How do you mean he'll "reopen" the economy? The individual governors have been, properly, the ones shutting down individual states. Can't see NYS fully reopening for at least 4 more weeks absolute best case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bockeye Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, jrober38 said: Wait and see. Trump will reopen the economy in two weeks and he'll accept that the consequences of doing so will mean more people will die. They'll be making a choice, and it will involve choosing to kill more people than is necessary just to save the stock market. This is maddening. I’m not the damn stock market!! Next week, I have 40 employees hitting unemployment if we don’t open. I’ve paid them two weeks with NO income coming in. My buddy, a business owner, has 300+ employees he laid off last week and they will NOT have a job until we start normal life again. You want to talk about the financial and psychological impact on those employees?? Hate to say it, but we are trying the best as we can to prevent this virus from killing a large portion of the worlds population, but at some point, we need to cautiously carry on. I believe we are almost there with some of the advances against the virus we have made. Edited March 24, 2020 by Bockeye 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Bockeye said: This is maddening. I’m not the damn stock market!! Next week, I have 40 employees hitting unemployment if we don’t open. I’ve paid them two weeks with NO income coming in. My buddy, a business owner, has 300+ employees he laid off last week and they will NOT have a job until we start normal life again. You want to talk about the financial and psychological impact on those employees?? Hate to say it, but we are trying the best as we can to prevent this virus from killing a large portion of the worlds population, but at some point, we need to cautiously carry on. I believe we are almost there with some of the advances against the virus we have made. I don't know if we're almost there or not. I do know that if a single person dies after Trump recommends getting back to work, it will be laid at his doorstep as if he were a murderer and that person's story will be told until early November. Not yet, but at some point, he could be accused of waiting too long and causing a longer crisis than necessary. It's all a game to some of these "people" in Washington. 100% of it. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 8 hours ago, B-Man said: Ohio abortion clinics say they will still offer services, despite order from state attorney general https://news.yahoo.com/ohio-abortion-clinics-still-offer-051800966.html Only the correct people are allowed to break the law without consequence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 8 hours ago, Bockeye said: This is maddening. I’m not the damn stock market!! Next week, I have 40 employees hitting unemployment if we don’t open. I’ve paid them two weeks with NO income coming in. My buddy, a business owner, has 300+ employees he laid off last week and they will NOT have a job until we start normal life again. You want to talk about the financial and psychological impact on those employees?? Hate to say it, but we are trying the best as we can to prevent this virus from killing a large portion of the worlds population, but at some point, we need to cautiously carry on. I believe we are almost there with some of the advances against the virus we have made. The quarantine shamers are gonna tear you up for this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 10 hours ago, Bockeye said: This is maddening. I’m not the damn stock market!! Next week, I have 40 employees hitting unemployment if we don’t open. I’ve paid them two weeks with NO income coming in. My buddy, a business owner, has 300+ employees he laid off last week and they will NOT have a job until we start normal life again. You want to talk about the financial and psychological impact on those employees?? Hate to say it, but we are trying the best as we can to prevent this virus from killing a large portion of the worlds population, but at some point, we need to cautiously carry on. I believe we are almost there with some of the advances against the virus we have made. It will take 2-3 weeks for those "advances" to have an impact. The epidemic in the US will hit its peak in 3-4 weeks. At that point the healthcare system will be completely overwhelmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 13 hours ago, jrober38 said: CHOOSING to let more people die than is necessary so that you're not economically inconvenienced is the same damn reason most people get an abortion. 13 hours ago, jrober38 said: Wait and see. Trump will reopen the economy in two weeks and he'll accept that the consequences of doing so will mean more people will die. They'll be making a choice, and it will involve choosing to kill more people than is necessary just to save the stock market. You really have no clue as to the potential economic consequences here, do you? You know, it is okay if you are ignorant. Just know that when you start typing in a post, much like opening your mouth to speak, your ignorance is on full display. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: You really have no clue as to the potential economic consequences here, do you? You know, it is okay if you are ignorant. Just know that when you start typing in a post, much like opening your mouth to speak, your ignorance is on full display. You really have no clue as to the economic cost of being a 20 year old female, making minimum wage who unexpectedly got pregnant. Let's accept that more old people need to die than is necessary to "save the economy", but if a young female decides to end a life because it will affect their personal finances and she doesn't have the financial resources to take care of that child, that's unacceptable. The hypocrisy is laughable. You can't be pro life and accept that old people need to die so that your stock portfolio isn't inconvenienced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 15 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: So, if a majority decided retroactive abortion was moral, you'd have no problem being aborted? Great! If a majority decides retroactive abortion is moral and legal, then I have a few nominees... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 Just now, jrober38 said: You really have no clue as to the economic cost of being a 20 year old female, making minimum wage who unexpectedly got pregnant. Let's accept that more old people need to die than is necessary to "save the economy", but if a young female decides to end a life because it will affect their personal finances and she doesn't have the financial resources to take care of that child, that's unacceptable. The hypocrisy is laughable. You can't be pro life and accept that old people need to die so that your stock portfolio isn't inconvenienced. I am actually pro choice (up to 20 weeks), pro death penalty, and I don't believe we should allow our economy to collapse over this virus. You are like a hysterical child. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 Just now, billsfan1959 said: I am actually pro choice (up to 20 weeks), pro death penalty, and I don't believe we should allow our economy to collapse over this virus. You are like a hysterical child. Me too on all three! Many aren't though. Many who are going to push reopening the economy on right wing news outlets over the coming weeks and thus voluntarily allowing more people to die than is necessary believe abortion at any stage should be a crime. My comment is directed at them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 While debating this and other issues we need to keep in mind that there's a difference between wishing something to be and what actually is. In other words, that's the difference between liberals and conservatives. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bockeye Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 2 hours ago, jrober38 said: You really have no clue as to the economic cost of being a 20 year old female, making minimum wage who unexpectedly got pregnant. Let's accept that more old people need to die than is necessary to "save the economy", but if a young female decides to end a life because it will affect their personal finances and she doesn't have the financial resources to take care of that child, that's unacceptable. The hypocrisy is laughable. You can't be pro life and accept that old people need to die so that your stock portfolio isn't inconvenienced. You mean the 20 year old pregnant female I have to lay off this week because my business is about to fold with no money coming in? Yes, she won't have a job to come back to. I've burned through all my money. I've invested very little in the stock market, but I have invested substantial sums into my small business, and here I am. Once this clears, I will be competing for jobs against her and thousands of others, trying to get back on my feet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 2 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: While debating this and other issues we need to keep in mind that there's a difference between wishing something to be and what actually is. In other words, that's the difference between liberals and conservatives. You are not a Conservative, you are a Trump cultist, big difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Poor Planned Parenthood didn’t get any of that Coronavirus stimulus moolah … who’s gonna kill all those unborn babies now? I’m so sorry. Your funding was originally in there but it was expensive and inconvenient, so they chose to abort it in the final trimester. FYI: You and your employees get the "relief checks" just like the rest of us...............you don't need deserve more. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 (edited) 42 minutes ago, B-Man said: Poor Planned Parenthood didn’t get any of that Coronavirus stimulus moolah … who’s gonna kill all those unborn babies now? I’m so sorry. Your funding was originally in there but it was expensive and inconvenient, so they chose to abort it in the final trimester. FYI: You and your employees get the "relief checks" just like the rest of us...............you don't need deserve more. . Congress (both sides) won't bite the hand that feeds them, but I'd seriously like to see a prohibition on campaign/political contributions for any entity that receives government funding, as a condition for receiving the public funds. Edited March 26, 2020 by Koko78 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Numark3 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 On 3/26/2020 at 1:09 PM, B-Man said: this is really bad and misinformed. Even the conservatives on the site will agree with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Crayola64 said: this is really bad and misinformed. Even the conservatives on the site will agree with that Charlie Kirk certainly put his own slant on things. WTF does he think he is, a trial lawyer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Just now, 3rdnlng said: Charlie Kirk certainly put his own slant on things. WTF does he think he is, a trial lawyer? why would planed parenthood be an exception to medical facilities being deemed essential? Do people realize they do a lot beyond abortions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Elective surgery is a settled legal term. Abortion is an elective procedure. during a national pandemic and limited resources, elective surgery of all types are on hold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 On 3/24/2020 at 9:28 AM, jrober38 said: You really have no clue as to the economic cost of being a 20 year old female, making minimum wage who unexpectedly got pregnant. Let's accept that more old people need to die than is necessary to "save the economy", but if a young female decides to end a life because it will affect their personal finances and she doesn't have the financial resources to take care of that child, that's unacceptable. The hypocrisy is laughable. You can't be pro life and accept that old people need to die so that your stock portfolio isn't inconvenienced. Difference is, no one's murdering old people, *****wit. 15 hours ago, Crayola64 said: why would planed parenthood be an exception to medical facilities being deemed essential? Do people realize they do a lot beyond abortions? Planned Parenthood isn't a medical facility. It's a murder mill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said: Difference is, no one's murdering old people, *****wit. Planned Parenthood isn't a medical facility. It's a murder mill. A lot of people actually use it for other reasons in their community. This can’t really be argued... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Crayola64 said: A lot of people actually use it for other reasons in their community. This can’t really be argued... Yeah it really can. It's primary purpose is infanticide. Full stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Yeah it really can. It's primary purpose is infanticide. Full stop. abortions make up 3 percent of the services they provide. Hundreds of their clinics do not perform abortions. many people use it for other reasons in their community. I know people who have their gyco exams there as its the only affordable option in their area. does it bother you that what you are saying is objectively wrong? I am trying to have a logical and rational conversation, we’ll see if you do the same Edited March 28, 2020 by Crayola64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Just now, Crayola64 said: abortions make up 3 percent of the services they provide. Hundreds of their clinics do not perform abortions. many people use it for other reasons in their community. I know people who have their gyco exams there as its the only affordable option in their area. does it bother you that what you are saying is objectively wrong? I am trying to have a logical and rational conversation, we’ll see if you do the same There's nothing logical or rational about what you're saying. It requires a suspension of disbelief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: There's nothing logical or rational about what you're saying. It requires a suspension of disbelief. what, that statistically they provide a substantial amount of non-abortion services? And you want them not to do that during the pandemic because......? What, they also provide abortions? How is that logical what are you disagreeing with? How does my post, which listed facts, require a suspension of disbelief? Edited March 28, 2020 by Crayola64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Crayola64 said: what, that statistically they provide a substantial amount of non-abortion services? And you want them not to do that during the pandemic because......? What, they also provide abortions? How is that logical 1) you're asking me to believe the statistics provided by baby killers and 2) you're asking me to condone keeping those facilities open. I'm not going to do either. When planned murderhood stops killing babies 100%, then we can discuss their merits as a healthcare provider. Edited March 28, 2020 by Joe in Winslow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 "Pro-Lifers" want people to go out and work, so what if they die Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: 1) you're asking me to believe the statistics provided by baby killers and 2) you're asking me to condone keeping those facilities ope. I'm not going to do either. When planned murderhood stops killing babies 100%, then we can discuss their merits as a healthcare provider. so you aren’t willing to have an honest discussion, at least you are honest about that. it objectively true that the vast majority of services they provides are not related to abortions. Many that use it are males (they aren’t getting abortions). Many of their clinics don’t even perform abortions. i think it is absolutely cruel that you want them to close down during this, when many people in poverty use it as a healthcare provider for Medical services other than abortion, simply to push your agenda. How that is not condemned by everyone here, is unfortunate. Edited March 28, 2020 by Crayola64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 10 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: 1) you're asking me to believe the statistics provided by baby killers and 2) you're asking me to condone keeping those facilities open. I'm not going to do either. When planned murderhood stops killing babies 100%, then we can discuss their merits as a healthcare provider. Whether you believe them or not does not make it false. However, the stats are misleading. While they say that 3% of their services are abortions, that is technically correct. However, you need to realize that they are not looking at patients, but are looking at discrete services. If a woman were to go to PP for an exam, a pregnancy test, a pregnancy consultation and an abortion, abortion only makes up 25% of the services. That is how they get the number lower. The issue comes in when they perform far more abortions than adoption referrals. My question would be whether they are downplaying adoption and pushing for abortions. I do not know. Unless you are a patient, it is hard to answer that question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, KRC said: Whether you believe them or not does not make it false. However, the stats are misleading. While they say that 3% of their services are abortions, that is technically correct. However, you need to realize that they are not looking at patients, but are looking at discrete services. If a woman were to go to PP for an exam, a pregnancy test, a pregnancy consultation and an abortion, abortion only makes up 25% of the services. That is how they get the number lower. The issue comes in when they perform far more abortions than adoption referrals. My question would be whether they are downplaying adoption and pushing for abortions. I do not know. Unless you are a patient, it is hard to answer that question. right, and they have a breakdown of services in their annual reports and you can come to your own statistical conclusions. The fact remains that a substantial amount of their services are unrelated to abortion. That can’t be disputed, only ignorantly ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 17 minutes ago, Crayola64 said: so you aren’t willing to have an honest discussion, at least you are honest about that. it objectively true that the vast majority of services they provides are not related to abortions. Many that use it are males (they aren’t getting abortions). Many of their clinics don’t even perform abortions. i think it is absolutely cruel that you want them to close down during this, when many people in poverty use it as a healthcare provider for Medical services other than abortion, simply to push your agenda. How that is not condemned by everyone here, is unfortunate. Spare me your sanctimony. I won't be shamed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: Spare me your sanctimony. I won't be shamed. It’s true, and and embarrassing. You literally are unable to discuss logic because of your hatred of “baby killers.“ I good part of me takes joy in knowing that (a) there is a weird part of population that includes people like you that have a strong hatred of abortions and (b) abortions will never ever ever ever ever go away. So deal with it, wipe your irrational tears with dead babies Edited March 28, 2020 by Crayola64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Just now, Crayola64 said: It’s true, and and embarrassing. You literally are unable to discuss logic because of your hatred of “baby killers.“ I good part of me takes joy in knowing that (a) there is a weird part of population that includes people like you that have a strong hatred of abortions and (b) abortions will never ever ever ever ever go away. So deal with it Nope. I'll continue to fight it until I give up breath. Fight it and the sick, depraved people like you that support it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: Nope. I'll continue to fight it until I give up breath. Fight it and the sick, depraved people like you that support it. good. That’s what gives me joy. People fighting a terribly dumb and irrational fight that they can’t win. The fact you lose, And always will lose, is funny. Because your fight is wildly dumb Edited March 28, 2020 by Crayola64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Crayola64 said: good. That’s what gives me joy. People fighting a terribly dumb and irrational fight that they can’t win. The fact you lose, And always will lose, is funny. Because your fight is wildly dumb Yes it's utterly insane to fight for the voiceless. Depraved sociopathy on display in Crayola's posts here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Just now, Joe in Winslow said: Yes it's utterly insane to fight for the voiceless. Depraved sociopathy on display in Crayola's posts here. whines about the voiceless....wants to deprive the poor of non-abortion medical services because of something. Lol, look in the mirror if you want to see a lack of empathy. go on fighting your pointless losing fight, that is also misinformed. I’m glad you’ll make a difference (you won’t). its a shame if I get me girlfriend pregnant she would keep it, or else I’d ask for an abortion just for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 11 minutes ago, Crayola64 said: its a shame if I get me girlfriend pregnant she would keep it, or else I’d ask for an abortion just for you. Sick *****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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