The Difference Between Best Player Available vs. Drafting For Need (Sal Capaccio Explains...)

[Kirby Jackson]

9 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:

And the tiers have position of need! Bet you my life savings they don't draft Devin White. What were they going to say post draft last year? They needed an MLB but had to settle for the next best MLB Edmunds who they thought was a major drop off?

 

They didn't really need a QB but whoa JA was there. BPA AND NEED!

No, they kick Edmunds outside and let him play as a rusher or covering guys. You let him play in space. A LB Corp of Milano-White- Edmunds with Alexander playing as a rush guy in passing situations raises the talent. That’s not a crazy thought at all. 

[KD in CA]

How about we just agree to take BPoN?

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Beane's press conference was total BS and the dumb ass slow witted Buffalo media didn't call him on it.  Of course he drafted for need and gave up multiple picks to do it.  Fortunately this year they have needs at every spot except Safety, CB, and QB.  SO they can draft for need and BPA.

[Bing Bong]

42 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

No, they kick Edmunds outside and let him play as a rusher or covering guys. You let him play in space. A LB Corp of Milano-White- Edmunds with Alexander playing as a rush guy in passing situations raises the talent. That’s not a crazy thought at all. 

It's just so crazy it might work!

 

Nah Edmunds might be a monster OLB

Edited January 24, 2019 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P

[Augie]

8 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Beane's press conference was total BS and the dumb ass slow witted Buffalo media didn't call him on it.  Of course he drafted for need and gave up multiple picks to do it.  Fortunately this year they have needs at every spot except Safety, CB, and QB.  SO they can draft for need and BPA.

 

Oh, this is very cool! You have access to their draft board? That would be the only way you know who their BPA is. I want access - how did you do it? 

 

You can’t say whether it’s need or BPA unless you know they went away from their board. And you don’t. Now, do similar grades lean toward what might fit your need or scheme better? Sure. 

[Jay_Fixit]

BPA is BPA.

 

It’s simple.

 

”Ohhh but what if BPA is a QB and you already have one???”

 

Grow the ***** up.

[Kirby Jackson]

10 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:

It's just so crazy it might work!

 

Nah Edmunds might be a monster OLB

I actually think that might be Edmunds best position. I think that he gets caught up a little in traffic. He’s best when he has space. He reminds me a little of Anthony Barr but I think Edmunds is more of a playmaker. 

[Nextmanup]

5 hours ago, BillyWhiteShows said:

Brandon Beane’s comments on drafting continue to confuse me.  He had been firm in saying “we don’t draft for need” and that draft for need get in trouble.  He has said the famous cliche “best player available.”

 

But didn’t Beane draft for need and not BPA last year?  He traded up for Josh Allen and Edmunds because QB sand MLB were a giant need!  If he was drafting BPA, then he would have taken the best player available at 21 and 22.  But he said in his presser at the Senior Bowl that it was drafting for need because he traded up.  Huh?  Didn’t he trade up to....you guessed it, draft for need?

 

In fact, I’d argue that most teams draft for need.  If they didn’t, then we’d see more team draft 2 QB’s in 1 draft or draft a QB high behind an established QB.  This would be like the Jets drafting Haskins because he’s the highest ranked prospect available when they pick.  They won’t do it because they already have a young QB they drafted the year earlier.   Also when teams set up their board doesn’t need come into play with the rankings?

 

One time the Bills did draft BPA, was the selection of CJ Spiller in 2009.  The pick was lauded by nearly everyone in the media as foolish considering they already had a Pro Bowl RB in Marshawn Lynch and a solid backup in Fred Jackson.  Yet the sick was clearly a BPA.

 

I get the idea of drafting for need and best player available, however I think in most circumstances teams draft based on their needs. 

 

Can anyone explain what he means by drafting for need or drafting best player available.  Because it seems like the Bills drafted for need last year, and that it happens all of the time.  

"Laud" means "to praise."

I think you meant the opposite here.

 

 

[row_33]

2 hours ago, Augie said:

 

That’s some might stiff competition!!! 

 

Maybin?

 

[Augie]

1 minute ago, row_33 said:

 

Maybin?

 

Mike Williams? 

[row_33]

5 minutes ago, Augie said:

Mike Williams? 

 

In hindsight I believe that little more than 10 seconds actively talking to Maybin would have revealed he really wasn’t into playing football

 

 

 

 

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

6 hours ago, BillyWhiteShows said:

Brandon Beane’s comments on drafting continue to confuse me.  He had been firm in saying “we don’t draft for need” and that draft for need get in trouble.  He has said the famous cliche “best player available.”

 

But didn’t Beane draft for need and not BPA last year?  He traded up for Josh Allen and Edmunds because QB sand MLB were a giant need!  If he was drafting BPA, then he would have taken the best player available at 21 and 22.  But he said in his presser at the Senior Bowl that it was drafting for need because he traded up.  Huh?  Didn’t he trade up to....you guessed it, draft for need?

 

In fact, I’d argue that most teams draft for need.  If they didn’t, then we’d see more team draft 2 QB’s in 1 draft or draft a QB high behind an established QB.  This would be like the Jets drafting Haskins because he’s the highest ranked prospect available when they pick.  They won’t do it because they already have a young QB they drafted the year earlier.   Also when teams set up their board doesn’t need come into play with the rankings?

 

One time the Bills did draft BPA, was the selection of CJ Spiller in 2009.  The pick was lauded by nearly everyone in the media as foolish considering they already had a Pro Bowl RB in Marshawn Lynch and a solid backup in Fred Jackson.  Yet the sick was clearly a BPA.

 

I get the idea of drafting for need and best player available, however I think in most circumstances teams draft based on their needs. 

 

Can anyone explain what he means by drafting for need or drafting best player available.  Because it seems like the Bills drafted for need last year, and that it happens all of the time.  

Both players were probably high on their board around where they took them. Just because Walter Football, Draftek and Mel Kiper don't think so doesn't mean the Bills didn't.

[Augie]

6 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

In hindsight I believe that little more than 10 seconds actively talking to Maybin would have revealed he really wasn’t into playing football

 

 

 

 

 

I’m sure he knew all the right things to say. I honestly hope that he’s happy with his art. To each their own. 

[row_33]

3 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I’m sure he knew all the right things to say. I honestly hope that he’s happy with his art. To each their own. 

 

Lest we forget...

 

[LSHMEAB]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

I’m sure he knew all the right things to say. I honestly hope that he’s happy with his art. To each their own. 

Yeah. I talked to a teammate of Maybin's in a bar once. Played linebacker so he was pretty close to him in terms of the locker room. Guy was pretty tipsy and told me that Maybin was a great guy but had little interest in football and wasn't nearly as good as his junior season numbers suggested. Said the rest of his defensive teammates were shocked he was taken in the first round, let alone that high. 

 

Conclusion; get the prospects teammates drunk and find out what they have to say.

[BillyWhiteShows]

23 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

"Laud" means "to praise."

I think you meant the opposite here.

 

 

 

I think I meant panned....but you get the gist 

[Just Joshin']

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

It’s not. They had other options to fill that role as the draft went along (Warner, Leonard, etc..). I can promise that a team drafts on BPA. They have tiers of players and may move up or down depending on where they have guys. In a situation like Edmunds, they indicated that they were shocked he was still there. That tells me he was graded highly to them and there was a drop off to the next player. Fitting a need was a bonus. They went to get him though because of the quality of the player not the position. It is possible that they take a MLB (Devin White) at 9 this year.

The tiers are the key.  I think when people hear BPA they believe there is a ranked list and they draft based on the list.

 

The reality is that players are grouped into tiers and within the tiers they will look at need.  In the early rounds there are less players in a group, later rounds more players.  This is why later rounds look more like need because there are more players to select within a tier.

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

Lest we forget...

 

 

Sometimes I try very hard to do EXACTLY that! 

[row_33]

We will get what we get and we will like it

 

 

Just now, Augie said:

 

Sometimes I try very hard to do EXACTLY that! 

 

Any interviewer worth 2 percent of their salary would crack through fake buttkissing answers easily to get to the inner person .

 

[BillyWhiteShows]

41 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

BPA is BPA.

 

It’s simple.

 

”Ohhh but what if BPA is a QB and you already have one???”

 

Grow the ***** up.

 

What Im saying is that contrary to what Beane and other have said, need is a factor in draft selections.  Some believe that team draft exclusively by best player available.  

 

Myself and others here don’t buy that entirely.  I think you take the best player available given the needs on the roster.  

3 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said:

The tiers are the key.  I think when people hear BPA they believe there is a ranked list and they draft based on the list.

 

The reality is that players are grouped into tiers and within the tiers they will look at need.  In the early rounds there are less players in a group, later rounds more players.  This is why later rounds look more like need because there are more players to select within a tier.

 

But aren’t these tiers partially, or exclusively, based on need?  You obviously wouldn’t put a LT in the top tier, of you already have a franchise player under contract long term etc.

 

This was my point.