In 2006 democrats wanted the wall, 25 billion so why the change?

[mead107]

https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/2006-secure-fence-act-vs-trumps-border-wall

 

 

[Tiberius]

Quote

"No one thought in 2006 that they were voting for a wall because the President of the United States thought that Mexican immigrants were 'rapists,'" he said. "That remark at the start of his [Trump's] campaign really colors everything about this debate. Even if you agree it should be done for other reasons, it makes it really hard to get on board with this president."

Well, when you start scapegoating people with wickedly evil slurs and slanders, it kind of changes things, doesn't it? 

 

 

Also from your link (Did you even read it?):  

 

Quote

In exchange for the votes on border security and border infrastructure under the Secure Fence Act, President George W. Bush promised Democrats a shot at comprehensive immigration reform. In the years that followed, more than 650 of the 700 miles of fencing was built. Democrats also voted to double the number of Customs and Border Protection agents in a short time, but comprehensive immigration reform never happened.

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

#resist 

[ALF]

Massive borrowing to fund the tax cut , means no money left in the cookie jar also.

[outsidethebox]

#orangemanbad

[4merper4mer]

14 minutes ago, ALF said:

Massive borrowing to fund the tax cut , means no money left in the cookie jar also.

Fund a tax cut?

[ALF]

3 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Fund a tax cut?

 

make up for the shortfall in the budget

[Gary M]

1 minute ago, ALF said:

 

make up for the shortfall in the budget

 

Because there are no programs that could be cut?

[ALF]

5 minutes ago, Gary M said:

 

Because there are no programs that could be cut?

 

A small fraction of that tax cut could have funded air tight border security    jmo  

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

The people impacted by illegal immigration---those on both sides of the border--be it by trafficking, assault, death, etc  are simply political capital to many of our elected leaders. The lives lost and families devastated are simply collateral damage. 

 

In that regard, nothing has really changed. Of course, the economic impact of 10-30m people here under the radar, the strain on our entitlement programs, medical and education institutions  etc is a massive problem as well. 

 

Bottom line, and its not just a democrat problem, is that politicians barter with welfare of the country for power and money. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

17 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

A small fraction of that tax cut could have funded air tight border security    jmo  

Nancy wants $12B for "international affairs". How about she gets $7B and the wall - for national security - gets $5B? 

[Gary M]

1 hour ago, mead107 said:

https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/2006-secure-fence-act-vs-trumps-border-wall

 

 

 

[4merper4mer]

30 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

make up for the shortfall in the budget

Taxes are the funding.

[outsidethebox]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Nancy wants $12B for "international affairs". How about she gets $7B and the wall - for national security - gets $5B? 

What is "international affairs" and hy does it need 12B???

[keepthefaith]

That was before they realized they could turn AZ and TX blue.  It's a mission. 

[Swill Merchant]

1 hour ago, ALF said:

Massive borrowing to fund the tax cut , means no money left in the cookie jar also.

No serious person accepts this position.

 

$5b is a large sum for a major corporation, and a tremendous amount for a private company, but it's minor expenditure to the federal government. The financial argument against the wall is incredibly weak.

[Buffalo_Gal]

10 minutes ago, westside said:

What is "international affairs" and hy does it need 12B???

?‍♀️ The new $200 hammer? A way to enrich friends and family? A catch-all slush fund? Your guess is as good as mine.

[The_Dude]

Because of cuckolds. All white liberals are cockolds. Their desire now is to repent for racism by cuckolding our history, and western values to anything and everything that stands against them. That’s why they advocate for socialism. That’s why schumer is concerned about ramping up the numbers of non-Caucasian immigrants. They seek to destroy everything that made America great. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

In 2006, the Democrats didn't fully understand Frost.  Now they do.  Hopefully, the Republicans will come around and get literate:

 

Mending Wall

 

Something there is that doesn't love a wall,

That sends the frozen-ground-swell under it,

And spills the upper boulders in the sun;

And makes gaps even two can pass abreast.

The work of hunters is another thing:

I have come after them and made repair

Where they have left not one stone on a stone,

But they would have the rabbit out of hiding,

To please the yelping dogs. The gaps I mean,

No one has seen them made or heard them made,

But at spring mending-time we find them there.

I let my neighbour know beyond the hill;

And on a day we meet to walk the line

And set the wall between us once again.

We keep the wall between us as we go.

To each the boulders that have fallen to each.

And some are loaves and some so nearly balls

We have to use a spell to make them balance:

"Stay where you are until our backs are turned!"

We wear our fingers rough with handling them.

Oh, just another kind of out-door game,

One on a side. It comes to little more:

There where it is we do not need the wall:

He is all pine and I am apple orchard.

My apple trees will never get across

And eat the cones under his pines, I tell him.

He only says, "Good fences make good neighbours."

Spring is the mischief in me, and I wonder

If I could put a notion in his head:

"Why do they make good neighbours? Isn't it

Where there are cows? But here there are no cows.

Before I built a wall I'd ask to know

What I was walling in or walling out,

And to whom I was like to give offence.

Something there is that doesn't love a wall,

That wants it down." I could say "Elves" to him,

But it's not elves exactly, and I'd rather

He said it for himself. I see him there

Bringing a stone grasped firmly by the top

In each hand, like an old-stone savage armed.

He moves in darkness as it seems to me,

Not of woods only and the shade of trees.

He will not go behind his father's saying,

And he likes having thought of it so well

He says again, "Good fences make good neighbours."

 

~Robert Frost

[Foxx]

5 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

In 2006, the Democrats didn't fully understand Frost.  Now they do.  Hopefully, the Republicans will come around and get literate:

 

Mending Wall

 

Something there is that doesn't love a wall,

That sends the frozen-ground-swell under it,

And spills the upper boulders in the sun;

And makes gaps even two can pass abreast.

The work of hunters is another thing:

I have come after them and made repair

Where they have left not one stone on a stone,

But they would have the rabbit out of hiding,

To please the yelping dogs. The gaps I mean,

No one has seen them made or heard them made,

But at spring mending-time we find them there.

I let my neighbour know beyond the hill;

And on a day we meet to walk the line

And set the wall between us once again.

We keep the wall between us as we go.

To each the boulders that have fallen to each.

And some are loaves and some so nearly balls

We have to use a spell to make them balance:

"Stay where you are until our backs are turned!"

We wear our fingers rough with handling them.

Oh, just another kind of out-door game,

One on a side. It comes to little more:

There where it is we do not need the wall:

He is all pine and I am apple orchard.

My apple trees will never get across

And eat the cones under his pines, I tell him.

He only says, "Good fences make good neighbours."

Spring is the mischief in me, and I wonder

If I could put a notion in his head:

"Why do they make good neighbours? Isn't it

Where there are cows? But here there are no cows.

Before I built a wall I'd ask to know

What I was walling in or walling out,

And to whom I was like to give offence.

Something there is that doesn't love a wall,

That wants it down." I could say "Elves" to him,

But it's not elves exactly, and I'd rather

He said it for himself. I see him there

Bringing a stone grasped firmly by the top

In each hand, like an old-stone savage armed.

He moves in darkness as it seems to me,

Not of woods only and the shade of trees.

He will not go behind his father's saying,

And he likes having thought of it so well

He says again, "Good fences make good neighbours."

 

~Robert Frost

much like the 'apple orchard,' it depends upon your definition of 'cows'. 

 

knowing where 'boundaries' are is a good thing. thus, good fences make good neighbors.

Edited January 4, 2019 by Foxx

[The_Dude]

18 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

In 2006, the Democrats didn't fully understand Frost.  Now they do.  Hopefully, the Republicans will come around and get literate:

 

Mending Wall

 

Something there is that doesn't love a wall,

That sends the frozen-ground-swell under it,

And spills the upper boulders in the sun;

And makes gaps even two can pass abreast.

The work of hunters is another thing:

I have come after them and made repair

Where they have left not one stone on a stone,

But they would have the rabbit out of hiding,

To please the yelping dogs. The gaps I mean,

No one has seen them made or heard them made,

But at spring mending-time we find them there.

I let my neighbour know beyond the hill;

And on a day we meet to walk the line

And set the wall between us once again.

We keep the wall between us as we go.

To each the boulders that have fallen to each.

And some are loaves and some so nearly balls

We have to use a spell to make them balance:

"Stay where you are until our backs are turned!"

We wear our fingers rough with handling them.

Oh, just another kind of out-door game,

One on a side. It comes to little more:

There where it is we do not need the wall:

He is all pine and I am apple orchard.

My apple trees will never get across

And eat the cones under his pines, I tell him.

He only says, "Good fences make good neighbours."

Spring is the mischief in me, and I wonder

If I could put a notion in his head:

"Why do they make good neighbours? Isn't it

Where there are cows? But here there are no cows.

Before I built a wall I'd ask to know

What I was walling in or walling out,

And to whom I was like to give offence.

Something there is that doesn't love a wall,

That wants it down." I could say "Elves" to him,

But it's not elves exactly, and I'd rather

He said it for himself. I see him there

Bringing a stone grasped firmly by the top

In each hand, like an old-stone savage armed.

He moves in darkness as it seems to me,

Not of woods only and the shade of trees.

He will not go behind his father's saying,

And he likes having thought of it so well

He says again, "Good fences make good neighbours."

 

~Robert Frost

 

You want to dictate policy based on a freaking poem? That’s remarkably gay. And just stupid. Maybe put down your poem books and begin reading history books?

[Tiberius]

19 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

You want to dictate policy based on a freaking poem? That’s remarkably gay. And just stupid. Maybe put down your poem books and begin reading history books?

 Like book about failed walls? 

The Berlin Wall: A World Divided, 1961-1989: Frederick ... - Amazon.com

 

https://www.amazon.com/Berlin-Wall-World-Divided-1961-1989/dp/0060786140

1.  
2.  

The Berlin Wall: The History and Legacy of the World's Most Notorious Wall .... this book, as well as thehistory that I learned about Germany and Berlin - both ...

 

 

[The_Dude]

18 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 Like book about failed walls? 

The Berlin Wall: A World Divided, 1961-1989: Frederick ... - Amazon.com

 

https://www.amazon.com/Berlin-Wall-World-Divided-1961-1989/dp/0060786140

1.  
2.  

The Berlin Wall: The History and Legacy of the World's Most Notorious Wall .... this book, as well as thehistory that I learned about Germany and Berlin - both ...

 

 

 

That wall didn’t fail. It was incredibly successful. So was the Soviet policy on shooting people jumping it. Horrible point, Tibs. 

 

If you want a bad wall use the chinese one. 

[Tiberius]

6 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

That wall didn’t fail. It was incredibly successful. So was the Soviet policy on shooting people jumping it. Horrible point, Tibs. 

 

If you want a bad wall use the chinese one. 

Ok fine, it was a "successful" wall at doing something really stupid. 

 

Someday there will not be a border between us and Mexico. And everything will be fine. 

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

Ok fine, it was a "successful" wall at doing something really stupid. 

 

Someday there will not be a border between us and Mexico. And everything will be fine. 

 

Wait, this is an evolution in your position... are you of the opinion now that all borders are unnecessary and immoral? 

[Tiberius]

4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Wait, this is an evolution in your position... are you of the opinion now that all borders are unnecessary and immoral? 

no, not all, but economic forces are making certain ones unnecessary and economically inefficient 

[outsidethebox]

10 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

no, not all, but economic forces are making certain ones unnecessary and economically inefficient 

Can you back that up with some facts?

[Dante]

3 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

Taxes are the funding.

Pull everyone back out of the mideast and we can fund the wall and a lot more cool stuff! 

3 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Nancy wants $12B for "international affairs". How about she gets $7B and the wall - for national security - gets $5B? 

This is a first for me. What the hell is "international affairs"? Sounds like money for buddies or another wealth redistribution scam again.

[keepthefaith]

4 minutes ago, Dante said:

Pull everyone back out of the mideast and we can fund the wall and a lot more cool stuff! 

This is a first for me. What the hell is "international affairs"? Sounds like money for buddies or another wealth redistribution scam again.

Loosely defined money in budgets is loosely spent. 

[outsidethebox]

How did we let our government become so corrupt? It's a tragedy what we've become. This country needs a serious revolution. 

[whatdrought]

29 minutes ago, westside said:

Can you back that up with some facts?

 

I don’t think you understand who you’re talking to...

[Warren Zevon]

In 2006 the Dems asked for the wall in a compromise to get comprehensive immigration reform.

 

Neither thing happened.

[The_Dude]

53 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Ok fine, it was a "successful" wall at doing something really stupid. 

 

Someday there will not be a border between us and Mexico. And everything will be fine. 

 

Yes, the wall was stupid in that case because it divided a people that were united. It split a country. And it defended socialism. So that wall was stupid, but successful.

 

There will always be borders until there's a one world order. My god, do you think that last line is prophetic or progressive?

[Tiberius]

4 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

Yes, the wall was stupid in that case because it divided a people that were united. It split a country. And it defended socialism. So that wall was stupid, but successful.

 

There will always be borders until there's a one world order. My god, do you think that last line is prophetic or progressive?

Both? Who knows what the world will be like in 50, 100 or 200 years? 

 

 

100 years the French and Germans were murdering each other on a mass scale, now they share an economic union. 

[The_Dude]

Just now, Tiberius said:

Both? Who knows what the world will be like in 50, 100 or 200 years? 

 

 

100 years the French and Germans were murdering each other on a mass scale, now they share an economic union. 

 

Well I can reasonably assume there will be borders because I can point to borders going back to the Bronze Age.

 

Also, their economic union has led to nothing other than their now being murdered by immigrants. 

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

Well I can reasonably assume there will be borders because I can point to borders going back to the Bronze Age.

 

Also, their economic union has led to nothing other than their now being murdered by immigrants. 

The borders of today are fewer. The nations states we have today unite areas that use to be at war. Consolidation is the trend 

[keepthefaith]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

The borders of today are fewer. The nations states we have today unite areas that use to be at war. Consolidation is the trend 

 

Brexit

[Foxx]

26 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

Yes, the wall was stupid in that case because it divided a people that were united. It split a country. And it defended socialism. So that wall was stupid, but successful.

 

There will always be borders until there's a one world order. My god, do you think that last line is prophetic or progressive?

even after there is a one world order, the progressive libs will want to eliminate the Kármán line.

[The_Dude]

16 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

The borders of today are fewer. The nations states we have today unite areas that use to be at war. Consolidation is the trend 

 

You're going to start seeing increasing concern for borders, not less. 

1 minute ago, Foxx said:

even after there is a one world order, the progressive libs will want to eliminate the Kármán line.

 

I had to Google that. I'm not a man of science. I thought whatever that was must be akin to something like the Hindenburg Line. I was off a bit. 

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

You're going to start seeing increasing concern for borders, not less. 

In the short term, maybe. 

18 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

 

Brexit

Look at all the economic integration just since WW2. Brexit, if it ever happens, will be just a blip.